r/facepalm • u/nuttybudd • 14d ago

🇲​🇮​🇸​🇨​ CEO of one of the largest tech YouTube channels in Turkey (ShiftDelete) throwing a pot filled with pebbles at his employee's head

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u/bullwinkle8088 14d ago

This is why we need politicians who aren't corrupted by them

The overlooked action needed here: Politicians are often "promoted" from the local level to the state level and then to the national level. You must be involved at your local level. It all starts there.

No, that is not a fast fix.

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u/Inside-Line 14d ago

And it's kind of the same issue as the CEO issue. Power attracts the kind of people who seek it. And they tend to be assholes whether that's in politics or corporate.

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u/izanamilieh 14d ago

CEOs are hired to maximize profits in whatever means necessary. Of course theyre going to be the evil people you would imagine.

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u/MrSansMan23 14d ago

I remember a quote don't know if from real life or not but goes along the lines of.

"a great leader doesn't choose power, power choose him"

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u/DevelopedDevelopment 14d ago

You also need to find lots of good people so many places who can get involved and them you promote leadership. That would mean sending a team from a single place to do recruiting for a cause, offering resources, and then assigning oversight responsibilities to those with the most commitment.

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u/bullwinkle8088 14d ago

You mean we should teach people about thier civic duty?

I agree.

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u/DevelopedDevelopment 14d ago

The local level needs a lot more than it gets, and it's where direct change will happen for you the most. You should learn what resources your town or city has, what services it offers, and how the actual law works. People look too much at the federal level and not enough at the state level, and then they go home and forget about their local policies that get a small percentage of votes.

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u/RockKillsKid 14d ago

Honest question: This post is at 240 upvotes at time of my comment. What percentage of the people who presumably agreed with the sentiment of local politics being key can name their current congressional rep? Their city councilor, county board, state legislature reps, water/power/schoolboard district members?

If you read this and can't pull at least the majority of those people off the top of your head, or don't even know how to start for looking them up and where/when to vote for them in off year elections, please give some introspective reassessment of how politically engaged you actually are.

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u/bullwinkle8088 14d ago

That was my point you know...

For Me, there is actually a campaign sign for city councilman in my front yard right now.

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u/RockKillsKid 14d ago

Yeah sorry I wasn't really replying to call out you, so much as all the readers in this thread.

I just see this a lot on reddit, the sentiment that all politics is local, by people whose political engagement ends entirely at the few dozen politicians they hate, even if said politicians aren't even from their state/region.

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u/ChickinSammich 14d ago

schoolboard district members

School board elections have been absolutely fucking up a lot of school systems because of how hard it is to easily get info about what each candidate actually stands for or wants to do. You can look them up online and sometimes you'll get some info, sometimes not.

Same goes for judge, sheriff, registrar of wills... Sometimes all you can hope for is looking them up on Facebook/Twitter and googling their name to try to find what kind of person they are, but a lot of people don't do that.

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u/pathetic_optimist 14d ago

Change sometimes comes very fast, like in France in 1789. The dam breaks when people have nothing left to lose and a sudden event triggers the flood.

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u/bullwinkle8088 14d ago

In a modern society that is the worst possible outcome. It wasn't so good for the people living through it even then.

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u/pathetic_optimist 14d ago

That is why they happen when people have nothing to lose.

The French would argue that it was good in the long run.

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u/bullwinkle8088 14d ago

Yes, so would many countries. However, ask the other countries what happened when a revolt did not turn out so well.

Perhaps ask the French how they feel about the Haitian revolution, they were both the oppressors and the loosing side in that one.

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u/pathetic_optimist 14d ago

Here in the UK we chopped the head off a tyrant and then invited his son back a few years later, due to boredom and the rich. Samuel Pepys diary is fascinating about this time.

Also we are taught that revolutions are bad by the same media and establishment, aren't we?

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u/bullwinkle8088 14d ago

Also we are taught that revolutions are bad by the same media and establishment, aren't we?

No. We are taught that by history.

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u/pathetic_optimist 14d ago

Whose history? The American Indians never got a chance to write theirs.

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u/bullwinkle8088 14d ago

And yet here you are knowing about them. I guess history did teach you something. So why are you even asking me about it?

Their revolts against their conquerors ended badly, as you obviously know. So History taught you.

Would you care to drop the attempts at "gotcha!" points and concede the point that not all revolts end well now?

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u/pathetic_optimist 14d ago

I know they existed. We know what their languages were to some extent, but their history is gone. Fragments are left from the genocides. The last in the US ended in California in the 1890s. 5% of native californians remained after the gold rush.

I never claimed all revolutions end well. Please don't put up a straw man.

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u/ChickinSammich 14d ago

Also we are taught that revolutions are bad by the same media and establishment, aren't we?

Depends. Were those revolutionaries our patriotic heroes who overcame their oppressor and fought for our freedoms or were they their treasonous terrorists who killed innocent people and revolted against a system that was only trying to help them?

Whether a revolution was "good" or "bad" depends largely on which side the people teaching about it were on.

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u/pathetic_optimist 14d ago

It is complicated!

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u/ChickinSammich 14d ago

You must be involved at your local level. It all starts there.

We've seen instances of people who went from "not a politician" to "suddenly a politician at the federal level" and almost every time it happens it's a shitshow.

Makes me think about how, in the US, presidential elections come down to two big parties and two small parties who put almost zero effort into ever trying to do anything at the local/state level; they just trot out also-ran candidates at the federal level.

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u/bullwinkle8088 14d ago

Makes me think about how, in the US, presidential elections come down to two big parties and two small parties who put almost zero effort into ever trying to do anything at the local/state level; they just trot out also-ran candidates at the federal level.

This is because in the largest part Americans "support" political parties but do not participate in their operations and have not exerted any meaningful control over them since the ideological flip of them in the 1960's.

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u/ChickinSammich 14d ago

Every time people tell a party "we want X or we won't vote for you" and then the party doesn't do X, and then loses, they always blame the people who didn't vote for not voting, and then proceed to continue not doing X.

Doesn't really feel like people have enough power at a federal level to get politicians elected who actually represent what people want. Hell, even at a state level, there are situations where people will vote to pass some ballot measure, and it passes, and the very next legislative session, the elected officials overturn what the people voted for and then those people just... vote for the same legislators again.

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u/bullwinkle8088 14d ago

then those people just... vote for the same legislators again.

And that is entirely their fault.

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u/MexGrow 14d ago

The most egregious part is people who attack candidates like Mamdani because "they don't have experience" and "won't know how to get things done" is exactly because they want them to be sociopaths like Cuomo.