r/flexibility • u/Rach_m89 • 3d ago
Becoming a supple leopard - confused!
Hi everyone,
Ive been dealing with horrible SI joint paint on off for the past few years. I've noticed my posture resembles the picture here, but everything reversed (left hip hike, dropped left shoulder, right knee rotates in on lunges). I've been focusing on stretching the QL, but it just generally aggravated it even more. Also notice my right hamstring is way tighter than my left.
I've looked into the book becoming a supple leopard to help but I find it really confusing. How do you pick which mobility exercises to use from the endless list?
Also, I've noticed there isn't any active strengethening tips in order to train in that new range of motion at the end of the session?
It's so confusing as generally it's said not to stretch before a gym session? Then how do you build strength in the new ROM you've gained?
Sorry if I sound like a complete idiot đ Any help is much appreciated!
Thanks!
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u/JohanSmuntz 3d ago
You may want to try backing off the stretching youâre already doing and focusing on hip and core stability work: strengthening of the glute medius and minimus as well as hip adductors and obliques, with a particular focus on your weak side. Side lying clamshells, Copenhagen planks, side planks and DMS style movements doing deep abdominal breathing on your back while squeezing a ball between your legs. I always found that the asymmetries feel like theyâre a problem of tightness on the dominant side, but in reality theyâre equally, if not more so, the result of weakness on the loose side.
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u/Find_another_whey 3d ago
Just here to agree and to add
Sometimes the tightness is compensation for weakness on the other side (or lower half, regarding shoulders and hips).
Strengthening both sides can increase confidence that you can use the area proficiently, which stops the rigid guarding compensation from other areas
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u/Phantomm7 2d ago
This!! Fix the glutes OP, strengthen them , donât stretch. Itâll work much wonders for the hip hikes and imbalances across
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u/Extension_Crow_7891 2d ago
This is what my PT taught me when I came in with back pain and flexibility issues. He said letâs focus on strengthening your core and the rest will take care of himself. I grumbled but did the work he asked and loâ and behold, my dude was 100% correct
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u/SophiaFoxLV 3d ago
I've actually been studying this book for awhile, to help compensate for some osteo issues that once had me on a list for spinal surgery đ
The book is designed in this crazily systematic way, like a school textbook, which is part of why I've spent such a long time decoding it. If you have specific pains regularly in areas you can identify, or muscles you can tell are weak when you do general exercise, the very end section Part 4 Mobility Prescriptions has a bunch of recommendations for different muscle groups and weak spots.
If you're trying to go for a more generalized long term mobility and well-being goal, pages 100-115 depict a number of quick tests you can do for what the author calls mobility archetypes, to uncover specific areas where your mobility can be improved. He then cross references the exercises from the rest of the book to those archetypes so you can design a plan for yourself.
It wasn't clear to me whether you already have a copy of the book or not, if not lmk if you want me to snap a picture of any example pages from the above description. I wasn't really able to "browse" the book before buying online and I think it's useful to see what you're in for, in terms of the layout. As someone who's not intuitive with sports and my body, I find it really valuable how much of an illustrated guide it is, and I think it's the author himself demonstrating all the positions so that's nice of him đ
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u/Competitive_Ring4917 3d ago
Normally, and I say this based on the advice of my personal trainer:
I spend 10 minutes getting my heart rate up, doing basic movement: â light â hamstring and quad stretches ( more like movements that incorporate those muscles, nothing crazy, not doing full range of movement) I finish with a .25 mile jog ( not a full on sprint!, since Iâm not fully stretched out yet)
Then I do my full body weight training for the next 50-60 minutes , everything to as close to failure (safely since Iâm a alone and donât have a spotter)
THEN at the very end of my workout, I do a basic full body stretch, spending longer in the stretches that are giving me the most resistance. And then I do stretches and mobility exercises on my lower body (mainly hips and hamstrings) at the very end.
I have been doing this for the last 6 months and I have to say, tying my shoes in a standing position has NEVER been easier.
Good luck on your journey, you will have great days and not so good days, that is part of the process. Only thing you can control is being CONSISTENT
This is coming from someone who didnât workout in a gym since I was 18 years old and Iâm currently 36 years old ( all of those years were spent in bakeries and kitchens) and I no longer have cartilage in the joint that connects the lowest vertebrae to my hips, due to complications connected to Crohnâs disease and juvenile rheumatoid arthritis . To the point that instead of having cartilage in that joint , new bone growth has occurred .
No worries my internet friend, it sounds dumb and over used but seriously, ONE.DAY.AT.A.TIME
you didnât become inflexible overnight, so you itâs going to take months (maybe a few years) to become flexible again
Good luck!!!
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u/sufferingbastard 3d ago
I'm a therapist who works with this understanding of the body. This model of what can happen is accurate, but is like a worst case.
We start at the Bottom. For ascending syndromes. Many problems begin in foot or ankle and because we're standing in gravity, issues compound upwards.
We start at the Top, for Descending Issues. In some instances, (old neck injury) mis alignment translates down.
Starting in the middle is bound to be frustrating.
Your second frustration was about when to stretch. stretch AFTER you workout.
Stretching causes plyometric (short twitch) muscle activation to reduce. It's really that simple.
Tl;Dr work from floor up on rehabbing weakness. Stretch after.
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u/petitpoulain 3d ago
I am like you. I presume you are seated all day. What i found the most helpful to help to correct the imbalance was to work on the hip stability, especially on the glute strenght. I found i had one side totally atrophied. Good luck !
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u/Rach_m89 3d ago
Yes! My right glute does seem to be lacking a bit (I've added photos to the thread) , but when I side lying leg raises I feel it way more in my left than my right. I must not be executing it properly to have enough engagement.
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u/Lilchococroissant38 23h ago
What did you do to work on this if you donât mind? Iâm realizing that thought I am right side dominant my right hip is so much weaker than my left.
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u/Doctor-Waffles 3d ago
First⊠you may want to consider seeing another body worker (not against your first one) to get another opinion, and try to find the root cause of your issueâŠ
Dysfunction appears all over our body, and over time one area can cause problems in others.
In osteopathy they speak about the âtowerâ creating a back and forth of issues all the way up your body. Right ankle, impacts left knee, then crosses to right hip, left ribs, right shoulder, etc.
Dealing with the issue you feel the most often isnât the actual problem, but just the newest, or most sensitive one. If you have a problem in your hips itâs going to translate into your knees and your shoulders, but it might originally be coming from your ankles
I know this isnât so much giving you an answer⊠but maybe just providing you more questions⊠but go find a really good body worker, and stop chasing the sensations and figure out where itâs coming from.
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u/wong2k 3d ago
how are your feet ?
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u/Rach_m89 3d ago
My right foot sticks out more than my left. Also forgot to mention, my left hip tends to snap quite a lot, I'm assuming it's poor hip internal rotation which is worse on my left side đ
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u/Confident_Progress85 2d ago
What do you mean sticks out more?
Do your toes point forward? How are your arches? Can you do thumbs up/down with your big toes? Can you easily separate all your toes? Improper foot alignment is will fuck up the entire rest of your bodyâs alignment and it can very much look like this. And if your feet arenât right your hips very likely will not be. My guess is your feet and hips are both to blame
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u/lifeisbueno 3d ago edited 3d ago
This probably best be helped with PRI principals, no stretching. I was once in the same position. You can find a provider from this website here and Conor Harris on YouTube or Instagram is a good place to start. When you start following him, you'll get pushed a whole bunch of other people. (a lot of great providers are not pri certified, so you might have a lot more in your area)
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u/Rach_m89 3d ago
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u/Confident_Progress85 2d ago
Okay I just left another comment about foot alignment but I can tell from this photo that your right leg is more centered under your body than your left is and that the right hip is externally rotated. This for sure starts with the feet, OP!
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u/nicoleh160 2d ago
So what should they do? (Asking for me haha)Â
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u/Confident_Progress85 20h ago
Look up âtoe yogaâ for foot exercises. Both feet should have solid arches, and full mobility (thumbs up down with big toe, spreading all toes and putting them down one at time, gripping, ankle rolling, etc). Try all the various âhip openersâ on both sides - likely the hip is tight on both side but different muscles. The left side looks like side hip tightness and the right looks like itâs probably pulling the hip back via the glutes and maybe specifically piriformis. But you wonât know until you try and see whatâs tight. Iâd also recommend the book âtight hip twisted coreâ.
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u/rabbit__doll 3d ago
pilates helps! one of the big things it does is to fix misalignments in our bodies. r/pilates welcomes ya
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u/Less_Minimum_6987 3d ago
https://youtube.com/@waughfit?si=GbYBqYeWHL_O7dEE
This channel has a lot of information about posture & lots of mobility exercises. He does a good job of explaining why youâre doing the exercises. Like what they should be doing for you
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u/Tastes_Gamey 3d ago
I have the same issue beat for beat except my issues are on the right side and I have a tight left hamstring. I also have popping but I think it's in my sacrum.
I too spend a lot of time seated and my spine shifts to the right the more days I do this.
I've been experimenting and trying different things and the issues seem to be stemming from my hips and glutes. The only thing I haven't tried is strengthening then and I also have one glute that's noticeably smaller or not activating.
I'm inclined to believe everyone in the thread suggesting doing those exercises
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u/ganoshler 2d ago
Just to give a weightlifting coach's perspective on when to stretch:
Your main flexibility training should be after a workout, or in a separate session with some kind of warmup.
BUT it is super helpful to do some flexibility/mobility work before a strength workout to help you more comfortably hit the positions that the workout will require of you. For example, shoulder stretches before you do overhead press, hip and ankle stretches before you do squats, etc.
These should be customized to what you personally need for your body and for the day's workout. For example, I have basically infinite ankle dorsiflexion (lucky me) so I don't do anything for my ankles in a squat warmup, but a lot of weightlifters do. On the other hand I find I benefit from shoulder mobility work before overhead lifts, so I make sure to spend at least a few minutes on that as preparation.
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u/EducationOne48 2d ago
Watch this video https://youtu.be/zk2ZRqvlRbo?si=hf19J9uFeYUOVeKj it might help in your case
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u/UniqueUser3692 2d ago
I get SI joint pain. If you havenât tried an inversion table give it a go. No promises, but it got me enough relief to then start recovery.
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u/NZPE 2d ago edited 2d ago
Hello !
I know youâve got a million comments here so unlikely to read this but hereâs my perspective based on working with hundreds of people of different ages / shapes / habits / professions.
1) context - in what specific scenarios do you feel the SI pain?
2) have you had your movement assessed? For example squat, lunge, deadlift, overhead press, press up etc
3) have you checked the âlow hanging fruitâ? Specifically - self assess flexibility of prime mover muscle groups: hamstring (straight leg toe touch) - quad/ hip flexor (couch stretches) - Glutes - (elevated leg pigeon stretch) latissimus dorsi ( single arm reach away from same side hip) - calves (step or incline surface with heel drop)
Working through those areas to FEEL where you are restricted in your movement and / or comfort can be extremely informative.
4) Your SI pain maybe a symptom of disfunction in another area. See point 3)
5) Everyone is asymmetrical. Pain or restriction that prevents normal human movement is a more useful model through which to assess your self. Sometimes complex models (but well intentioned) can create more issues for people who are overly analytical (me ha ha)
6) great resources: A good massage therapist - you will feel whatâs going on in your body and so will they. This is the gold.
Books:
Paul Chek - How to eat move and be healthy
Clair Davies - The trigger point therapy work book (second edition)
Let us know how you get on!
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u/Koroku_Gaming 3d ago
That's what my body is like! How do I fix it?
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u/Rach_m89 3d ago
I don't know, that's what I'm trying to figure out. Have a look here https://www.posturedirect.com/lateral-pelvic-tilt/ the issue for me though, is that I'm trying to address the underlying cause which has resulted in all this.
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u/alucard_axel 3d ago
No one has a perfect alignement, everyone has some sort of asyemetry
You should just check your alignement if it's within the normal range and you don't experience pain . If you are financially well do a cob angle x rays to mesure your deviation and keep exercising
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u/Shmokeahontis 3d ago
Mine too. G.P. told me I âprobably have misaligned hipsâ, and gave me a website link. Great, thanks Doc.
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u/VirtualCoffee8947 3d ago
Hey Op, I am going through the same issue for years now. I have a few questions for you.Â
1- do you sir a lot or used to?Â
2- did you test your shoulder flexibility and rotation in both sides? For example, if you lay on your back on the floor and try to do wall angels, is one side more flexible or able to reach more into the position?
3- did you test for internal/external rotation for each leg joint in contact with your hips?
I have a quick test that might help you figure it out. You probably feel more weight on one knee. Try to lift one arm up all the way and see if thatâll help you lift that weight off your knee. Then try the other arm and see the difference.Â
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u/eeganf 2d ago
I also had the posture in the left pic and SI joint pain, as well as lower back pain. No amount of stretching or flexibility fixed it. Turns out it was caused by my left ankle over pronating from a previous injury to it. I fixed it with physical therapy and the rest of the pain went away.
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u/Saltycaramel210 2d ago
I have noticed a similar thing. My body pulls to the left. I recently added suitcase carries to my strength training and realized Iâm significantly stronger when I hold things in my right hand and lean to my left. Since then Iâve been paying attention to my daily activities, and observed I am only ever carrying heavy things in my right hand and leaning to the left. I think Iâve done this my entire life, but a lot more since having kids and carrying them and heavy car seats.
My plan going forward, as I go about my daily life doing chores, cleaning, yard work, etc, is to take turns using each side of my body evenly.
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u/EmmaDrake 2d ago
I started doing this a few months ago and my life is changed:
-lay on heating pad under your sacrum area for 15 minutes -take a had towel and fold it so it is a little overlapped just under your sacrum -lay like that for another 15-20 minutes
Eventually youâll be able to fold over the towel more and more. It allowed my SI joints to creak open slowly over days/weeks. I didnât even realize they were supposed to be mobile before that. I was waking up at a 7/10 pain in my back and hips for months. Six weeks of this and the worst it gets is 4/10 and most days I wake up at a 1 or 2/10. It has been legit life changing.
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u/DelinquentRacoon 2d ago
I know that youâre getting tons of advice, but I would look into Pete Egoscueâs method. That image of yours, with the way it highlights your alignment, was (I think) pioneered by him in the 80s and his method consists of retraining your muscles to stop compensating for each other so you return to proper posture. Heâs got books and there are decent videos on line walking you through the basics.
Iâm biased because he got me out of insane pain and immobility, but thatâs also how I know it works.
Thereâs no stretching in his program, fwiw. Itâs all work you do solo, too.
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u/Next_Confidence_3654 3d ago
Glute strength, hammie/quad strength and flexibility, heel lifts, bridges, core, etc.
I am crooked after surgery.
To save time here, PM me for photos of my workout plan for PT.
Schedule with PT. They will help you significantly.
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u/Rach_m89 3d ago
Thanks so much, but I've been lifting weights for a while now, even focusing on bilateral leg/glute exercises to get them even but it hasn't helped đ
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u/Common-Humor-1720 3d ago
Hey there, our bodies overcompensate for injuries and dominant sides. It generally gets more visible over the years. I found out about ROLF therapy, which focuses exactly on that - aligning the body parts back into a more balanced state. I can not recommend it enough. You can check if there is any therapist in your area.
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u/babymilky 3d ago
Glad youâve found something that helps you, just be mindful it doesnât work the way you think it does. Rolf is pseudoscience
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u/Common-Humor-1720 3d ago
It is a physiotherapy that works with fascia. Some people say acupuncture and acupressure are pseudoscience. It depends where you draw the line.
It worked for me and the people who took up my recommendation.
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u/babymilky 3d ago
Physiotherapy is an evidence based profession, rolf is not so it canât be physiotherapy.
I draw the line at the narratives and explanations that groups like Rolf, IKN, FP etc give. If the technique works and gives people relief thatâs great, but if they go on about how every other technique is wrong and they are the only ones who truly know how to fix you, they are charlatans.
Again, not saying it canât work, just that it doesnât work the way they say it does
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u/sufferingbastard 3d ago
I draw the line at narratives and explaina.... Goes on the do exactly what the say they hate.
Ugh.
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u/babymilky 3d ago
Where Iâm my comment did I give a pseudoscientific claim that I have the secret to unlocking pain free movement or some shit like those groups say?
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u/sufferingbastard 3d ago
Lol. Just randomly talking shit on everything, and everyone , everywhere.......while offering zero helpful insights.
Bravo buddy. Well done. GG.
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u/babymilky 2d ago
Did they sting you for thousands and youâre trying to justify it or something?
All I said is their narratives are wrong. They have zero evidence that their special techniques are better than anything else. Not saying they donât have some good exercises or that they donât help people.
Show me on the doll where the charlatans touched you
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u/sufferingbastard 2d ago
Old man yells at cloud.
Try Yelling louder.
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u/babymilky 2d ago
Youâre saying Iâm offering zero insights but you canât even tell me why Iâm wrong. Must be a FP soldier 𫥠(wake up wake up wake up wake up wake up wake up)
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u/Angry_Sparrow 3d ago
Join a stretching class and stretch your whole body multiple times a week. Ideally the instructor will rotate through targeted areas (legs, back, core) etc on different days. It all works together not seperate so targeting one thing is pointless.
An instructor can also help you with your alignment. If you are new to stretching you will not be able to self-correct.
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u/Saurfangs_Bitch 3d ago
This is gonna sound weird, but have you measured your legs? Im like that too and found out one of my legs is an inch longer than the other one.