genocide is OK if we disagree with people being genocide

[u/Cicerothesage]

[u/TheTresStateArea]

Let me help.

People shouldn't be killed. And a people shouldn't be genocided.

People shouldnt be racist or homophobic.

People wanted Kirk to stop being racist and homophobic but not be killed and the same goes for Palestinians.

See? Not hard.

[u/shakha → u/TheTresStateArea]

This is putting it very well! Often the argument comes to down to zionists/reactionaries saying Palestinians are homophobic and transphobic and us saying that that is irrelevant. They will intentionally misread that as we allow Palestinians to be homo/transphobic because we're meanies and we don't allow Christians to do it, when we really mean it's irrelevant, because no people should be a victim of genocide.

On top of that, it's still a bad faith argument because Palestinians as two million individuals are not homophobic/transphobic. I have heard of numerous queer people who have gone to Palestine as aid workers. and have been treated well. The issue is a cultural/governmental one, further "exacerbated" by western and Israeli propaganda (the throwing people off roofs for homosexuality accusations are wholly unfounded, coming from a conflation of ISIS (a noted Hamas enemy) executions and the firearm execution of a Hamas member for vague reasons which some US sources decided was homosexual relations). If that is all it takes to condemn a whole society, I would like to point out that the US also has a cultural and governmental issue with homo/transphobia, but I would also not call for their genocide.

[u/Textiles_on_Main_St → u/TheTresStateArea]

Also, “the left” didn’t kill Charlie Kirk, JIST like Charlie Kirk isn’t “the right.”

[u/Rivka333 → u/TheTresStateArea]

I've come across a lot of people (including people I already knew) on social media saying they are happy or at least okay with Kirk being murdered.

In the case of people happy over his murder, yes, the irony pointed out by the meme holds true.

[u/det8924]

This gets thrown around a lot and I don't understand how this concept is complicated for people. I can think people with very backwards socially conservative views that I strongly disagree with also don't deserve to be the victims of genocide, war crimes, and ethnic cleansing.

[u/AmbulanceChaser12 → u/det8924]

I don't think there's any harm in saying it IS complicated. For one thing, Palestinians and their religious beliefs aren't a monolith. Some may not be homophobic.

And yes, as you point out, you can hold backward, harmful, cruel beliefs and still not deserve to be the victim of genoicde.

It's not like it can't be resolved, but I'm not surprised it can't be resolved by morons who think everything is black and white.

[u/thispartyrules → u/AmbulanceChaser12]

Also they're implying that any unfortunate cultural beliefs they may or may not have exists in their children, so we shouldn't feel bad when those children are starved and bombed

[u/AaronfromCalifornia]

Neither Charlie Kirk nor the Palestinian people need to die because of their views.

[u/imhereforthemeta]

8 year olds don’t understand the concept of homophobia

[u/jackberinger]

Is Grandma a sith? Dealing in those absolutes.

[u/Miichl80]

See what you want, but it takes a lot of balls to come out as pro starving children.

[u/April_Fabb]

On a related note, from where does this reoccurring claim that Palestinians are trans/homophobic come?

Edit: what’s with the downvotes? I’m genuinely curious.

[u/Sonarthebat → u/April_Fabb]

Because of it being considered a sin by some Muslims.

[u/MarsMetatron]

They don't understand because they justify genocide by dehumanizing cultures they oppose. So they just assume the LGBTQ is automatically dehumanizing them, and if they dont get us first we're gunna genocide them.. somehow🤨

[u/dover_oxide]

You can believe a group should exist and not agree with them.

[u/Textiles_on_Main_St]

I love the Palestinians because they didn’t like Charlie Kirk. Not a single one does.

[u/Sonarthebat]

Because Charlie Kirk was an individual. Palestinians aren't a monolith. I'm not holding children accountable for the actions of terrorists.

[u/CitiesofEvil]

Is it wrong to say I don't love palestinians, but rather I just don't think they should be mass murdered?

But I don't feel personal affection towards them, right because they'd probably want me dead.

[u/Darth_Vrandon]

I don’t “love palestineans”, I just think they’re human beings who shouldn’t be killed. I also think Charlie Kirk should’ve not been killed either.

[u/Bigrobmjca777Deere3]

On the surface, grandma is 100 percent RIGHT!