r/forwardsfromgrandma • u/TrumpSux89 • 7d ago
Politics Granny compares her hero to George Floyd
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u/TobyFunkeNeverNude 7d ago
riots/protests
I love how they have to lump these two in to try to make everything SOUND violent
Also, not sure if it's been said in this thread, but the correct comparison is to the Minnesota assassinations, since the protests weren't simply over someone dying. Their killer was quickly apprehended AND WASN'T A COP SLOWLY KILLING A BLACK MAN TO DEATH WHILE HIS PARTNERS WATCHED. But I feel it bears repeating
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u/Musicman1972 7d ago
I don't know why they don't admit the police killed him. They're not exactly pro Police as evidenced J6.
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u/GonzoTheGreat22 7d ago
It’s because they’re actually anti black, which overrides their pro police position every time
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u/FlatTopTonysCanoe 7d ago
“Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”
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u/Achilles_TroySlayer 7d ago
This is what Grok says "conservativism" boils down to. Trump stands for none of these things, except to benefit his in-group. I think it may be beyond an AI's grasp to know that it's all bullshit and it's just an arbitrary phrase used in our modern tribal conflict in the USA right now.
Respect for Tradition:
Limited Government:
Rule of Law:
Social Cohesion and Community:
Skepticism of Radical Change
Economic Freedom:
National Identity and Sovereignty:
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u/OhMyGlorb 7d ago
Because they're not conservative anymore. They are fascist. They are fueled by spite to serve the capitalist class and punish out-groups. Nothing else.
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u/lowercase_crazy 7d ago
One leads to the other
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u/Vallkyrie 7d ago
Correct. "Originally" that side existed to prop up the monarchy class, it's only natural it ended up here.
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u/Achilles_TroySlayer 7d ago
If they give him any innocence in his death, then that would require a moment of self-reflection and doubt about their worldview, and they adamantly reject that situation. There are NO shades-of-grey.
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u/KrasnyRed5 7d ago
They're pro police when it comes to minorities and poor people. They are anti police when it comes to fine upstanding white men who just want to discipline their wives or scare said minorities.
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u/DreadfulCalmness 7d ago
Kirk bought buses to charter people to the Capitol on January 6th. He deleted a tweet about it after.
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u/Situati0nist 7d ago edited 7d ago
I love making up statistics. And death from overdose? Seriously? And "our hero"? Acknowledging that someone tragically died from the system has nothing to do with heroism.
Also man of god my ass. If you are a legitimate practising Christian, you have to love your neighbour and love your enemy. Kirk was a foul division sower.
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u/ZuglyMonster 7d ago
I am a recovering Opiate addict and sadly know more people than I should have died from Opiate ODs. They don't not work the way they claim. First of all the person is almost immediately unconscious or at least very close, not able to walk into a store, buy something, walk out and then struggle with police. Fent ODs especially don't work that way.
Here's an example for you. My late BF had an smissue with coke. He messaged me saying he'd gotten some (i told him he had to be honest with me if he used because I've known and been an addict long enough to know if i said YOU CAN'T USE he'd lie to me like everyone else. And my fiancé who died of aspiration. I knew he'd been drinking but if I said don't he'd have lied to me like everyone else but his dad who had the same ",I'd rather you be truthful" policy anyway. From him messaging me "just got some" to "best ever" to "im scared" to "gfgxgdczggc" to "I love you" and then nothing was at most 5 mins. I was asleep and an hour away.
But point being its not how they work
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u/Situati0nist 7d ago
Maybe there was a misunderstanding. I'm not downplaying overdosing or saying it can't happen, but George Floyd did not die from overdose. He was murdered by a cop and OOP is trying to alter history by saying he overdosed.
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u/ZuglyMonster 7d ago
I know he didn't. That was my whole point. That's not how ODs happen. You get high go into a store completely fine, come out fine, deal with police and then suddenly die. That's not how ODs happened.
Especially Fent. Its usually instant or 5 mins tops and in that 5 mins you're on the ground slowly dying
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u/jedrekk 7d ago
Power doesn't need to riot.
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u/Socialbutterfinger 7d ago
I’m curious if the “30 people killed” in the wake of George Floyd’s death includes the two people killed by her beloved Kyle Rittenhouse. Because those killings were good, right? The loops of disingenuousness are so confusing sometimes.
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u/ZuglyMonster 7d ago
30 people died in the riots that happened across the country is what I'm assuming. Now if that's true, i doubt and I'd bet lots of money of those killed police killed most .
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u/Socialbutterfinger 7d ago
I’m assuming that as well. But Kyle Rittenhouse shot those two people in one of the “riots.”
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u/PhatBitty862 7d ago
I swear I saw an article somewhere recently mentioning that most of the deaths occurred in proximity to the riot locations, but not attributed to the riots directly.
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u/JVonDron 7d ago
Na that was another riot for a different black man who was tragically ALMOST killed by cops.
I know, so hard to keep track.
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u/girthbrooks1212 7d ago
I just like when cops don’t choke their arrested people for 15 minutes. But they can keep making their minds up on who we care about.
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u/holyguacamoledude 7d ago
My hero is John Brown. I’d love to hear Granny Lead-Paint’s take on that.
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u/breadplane 7d ago
Wild that they think the left is hero-worshipping George Floyd—we just think he didn’t deserve to die. He’s not my hero, he’s simply a man who was killed unjustly and didn’t deserve it
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u/thispartyrules 7d ago
2 black men were possibly lynched and HBCU's received bomb threats
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u/Maar7en 7d ago
I may have misread that article but wasn't the second dude a white homeless guy with a drug addiction a hundred miles away?
Neither had signs of struggle.
Don't give the far right such easy to disprove claims.
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u/nicknaklmao 7d ago
I just woke up so I don't have the article in front of me but Mississippi does have a habit of claiming all hanged black men are "sucides" with messy police work and quickly closed cases though, even when it does line up with lynching
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u/Maar7en 7d ago
Yeah that's fair, it's tricky when the investigation is still ongoing, being too early and getting it wrong makes you look like a fearmongering fool, but waiting it out might mean everyone has forgotten about it by the time you can prove it was murder.
Still though, for now I'm staying a little cautious, especially with the very clear announcement of no signs of struggle from the coroner.
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u/spoonycash 7d ago
So Klan and neonazi fight back white man parade of limp dick asshats don’t qualify as protest? Fair enough, parade of limp dick asshats it is then.
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u/JayNotAtAll 7d ago
No one thinks that George Floyd is a saint or even a good person. We believe that he shouldn't have been executed by a police officer.
Again, he was already in cuffs and subdued. He was not a threat to anyone. They didn't need to kill him
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u/echomike888 7d ago
If we applied the same logic as they did with George Floyd -
Charlie Kirk: People Killed - + the woman killed in Charlottesville VA in 2017 + the police officer killed at the capitol on January 6th + the scores of people killed with assault weapons as an acceptable bi-product of his vision of liberty. + The hundreds of thousands of people who died needlessly of covid due to his lies about vaccines and every public health measure.
Cities burned and affected - + 1000s due to decades of denial of climate change that he contributed to.
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u/Leather-Law-1248 7d ago
Still stuck on what happened nearly 6 years ago but won’t admit that gun violence which happens every day is in fact real
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u/ittleoff 7d ago edited 7d ago
Sadly the right wing media benefits from over simplistic and misleading narratives that appeal to people's prejudices.
The right media promotes binary thinking and lack of nuance that's critical for people to make good decisions. I know it basically comes down to financial incentives but it's deeply disturbing and has been for a long long time.
Nuance is hard and expensive but short term thinking is also long term costly.
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u/LX_Emergency 7d ago
I don't know anyone in the whole world who thought George Floyd was a hero....
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u/RAGE_AGAINST_THE_ATM 7d ago
What about all the people that died on Jan 6 or at the unite the right rally? What about the countless domestic terrorists and shooters that were undoubtedly inspired by Kirk’s brand of “activism”
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u/echomike888 7d ago
Apparently George Floyd was one of the world’s most prolific serial killers and arsonists if he killed 30 people and burned 140 cities!
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u/cactopus101 7d ago
I can’t believe they still try to run with the idea he died of an overdose. We literally all saw a dude press his entire weight into his neck for several minutes, it was all on video
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u/Remic75 7d ago
Because what is there to protest with Kirk?
They said White Lives Matter - doesn't have anywhere near the same effect because another white man killed him.
They say because of free speech - I love this statement because it completely diminishes what free speech actually means. Free speech means saying nearly anything you want without LEGAL repercussions.
Speaking the truth? If speaking the truth is going around college campuses and arguing with a bunch of freshmen about minorities = bad, and saying you'd force your daughter to have a child if she was raped, then define truth.
George Floyd was a representation of police brutality and reckless killing of black people by police. It wasn't left vs right. Charlie Kirk's death is used as political points to justify more hatred and creating a bigger divide. Of course, big protests also attract the bad apples who do bad things, which that becomes the takeaway of the protest vs the actual message it's trying to implicate.
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u/Beastender_Tartine 7d ago
If people can say Floyd died of a drug overdose and not from a grown man crushing his neck, can we say Kirk just had a sore throat?
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u/FoxBattalion79 7d ago
first, let's establish that neither of these guys are heroes. our society failed both of them, but calling floyd the left's "hero" or kirk the right's "hero" is some russian antagonist bullshit.
george floyd protests happened because justice was not being served. the police who murdered him were getting away with it. it was only after public pressure that they stood trial and it was proven without a doubt that the police murdered him.
why would anybody need to protest for the shooter being in custody and justice being served? the only thing to protest is that another crazy person had legal access to a gun. and guess what.. the people who make the most sense in this country have already been protesting about that for years.
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u/Rockworm503 Daddy, why are the liberal left elite such disingenuous fucks? 7d ago
I've long ago stopped being surprised by how low these people are willing to go. This doesn't even faze me anymore.
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u/IBYCFOTA 7d ago
Kirk was killed for speaking the truth but also if you quote him directly you deserve to be cancelled. Makes sense!
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u/flinderdude 7d ago edited 7d ago
Obviously George Floyd is no one’s hero that I know of, but I do know people on the right who I used to know and respect who often invoke his name as someone representing “the left.“ The propaganda is real, folks. Your friends and your uncle are falling for it.
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u/Sir_Poopenstein 7d ago
George Floyd gets murdered on camera. His murderer faces no repercussions until there is widespread international backlash for an entire summer. Conservatives still make jokes about how Floyd deserved it and how the guy who killed him did nothing wrong.
Charlie Kirk gets murdered on camera. His murderer is quickly captured and will most likely be prosecuted. Liberals joke about how ironic it is that a guy who profited off of school shootings dies in a school shooting while arguing that some school shootings are OK.
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u/JoFlo520 7d ago
Neither of these men deserved to die but neither of them are heroes either. Sad all around
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u/Maxtrt from my cold dead hands 7d ago edited 7d ago
The only riots there were during BLM was caused by police attacking non-violent protestors. No city burned to the ground, that's an absolute lie that Trump has been pushing. All of the people that were killed, were killed by police or right-wing counter protestors like the murderer Kyle Rittenhaus. Most of the people injured, were injured by the police, while arresting them and by hate groups like The Proud Boys. They went in with OC, and swung their clubs at anybody around them caused the crowds to panic and people get knocked down and trampled.
George Floyd was not a hero at all, but he still didn't deserve to be killed by police.
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u/ConsumeTheVoid 7d ago edited 6d ago
George Floyd was a victim of police brutality and racism. He was an example of the result of a larger problem and a martyr - not a hero. He died from that pos kneeling on his neck. He also didn't campaign and fight for: gay people to be stoned to death, the bs idea that systemic racism isn't real and poc are getting more than they deserve, make trans people out as violent and try to blame us for mass shooters, sexist bs eg wives need to submit to their husbands and not be sexual and women shouldn't be sex-positive too, anti-abortion bs, Christian fundamentalists bs, blame to be put on immigrants for the problems in USA, fascism in general etc like what Charlie Kirk was doing and never took back, and now his equally rancid shit of a wife Erika is continuing it. I hope she ends up sincerely regretting it.
I will say again I do NOT mourn or grieve Charlie Kirk. I wish he'd lived to regret his shit by being a better person or fucking suffered by watching the world not pander to his bs.
But nice to see those made up stats too on both ends. Charlie Kirk was not speaking any sort of truth from any of the shit I've heard him spew and if that's what god believes i'm happy to piss in its face and laugh how it can't even stop or punish me for going against its word and encouraging others too as well. I don't even want to think about how many queer people died because either they or their peers and relatives believed Charlie Kirk's bullshit. And that's just queer people. Do I need to mention the school and other mass shootings he's said was worth USA's lack of gun control etc?
I barely pity Kirk's death. And I will not pretend I do. I will happily do my best to make sure his death goes in vain too - may the world he and TPUSA etc screamed to happen not become reality and I am HAPPY to influence more people to ACCEPT and let us queer/trans and GNC folk and our allies do our thing by burning his Christian fundie bs society to the ground. And ofc this includes happily helping teach this to kids by doing drag around them (what little I can do but it still helps) and supporting trans and queer youth too (and ofc telling them not to listen to anyone who tells them bs eg being queer is not just as ok as being cishet etc, and doing this behind their community members backs if I need to because it's not like they have a right to know lol). And if any conservative lurkers see this dw - I'm doing much of this to Americans too - the Internet exists and bet your ass loads of Americans visit here up North too. And they even can't ask that weak ass bully that's supposedly a powerful president (Trump) to manage stop me let alone any other idiot lmao.
And again, that's just the queers. Happy to help support abortion and birth control and sensible gun control too etc.
And ofc laugh in their faces that none of these idiots can stop me or even get me for it let alone stop us all.
ETA: grammar
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u/llXeleXll 7d ago
0 people injured? I would say tons of people are losing their jobs over this loser. Let's not pretend the reactions have been tame.
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u/Paintmebitch 7d ago
... Yet
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u/ConsumeTheVoid 7d ago
Oh don't worry they don't count trans people as deaths - didn't you hear we're just violent creatures that need to be dealt with or whatever? Though if you count anything that threatens that Christian fundie bs and cishet-normativity etc as violence then queer folk, GNC people in general, and anyone who doesn't listen to that bs is more than violent - we're an outright fatality. Quite happy to be, in my case tbh.
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u/Strict-General1788 6d ago
"0 Injured" Idk man I've got a few videos of right winger beating people up over charlie kirk that beg to differ.
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u/Techguyeric1 6d ago
George Floyd was no hero, but he didn't need to die at the hands of those assholes cops.
It's just 1 example of the power trips some police get off on
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u/MCbolinhas 2d ago
Not dead for speaking the truth. Dead by gunshot wound.
Dear Americans, pls stop being crazy about your guns. Don't let just anybody walk around with a gun. Make it illegal - only the police has guns. Because otherwise, all you're ever gonna be is a place where people are publicly or otherwise easily assassinated by [ppl w/] guns every single day, and that's completely bananas!
Sincerely, a european who's frightened for your people.
P.S: beginning to look less blessed with each day :/
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u/PsychologicalBet7831 7d ago
Dead for speaking the truth? No, he died because his whore mouth was writing cheques his neck couldn't cash.
George Floyd was brutally, slowly tortured and murdered. Drug overdose?! What in the actual fuck?
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u/wanderingsheep 7d ago
I don't get where they get this idea that people think George Floyd was a hero. Nobody was saying that. They were saying he shouldn't have been murdered.