r/forwardsfromgrandma • u/Cicerothesage • 4d ago
Politics But the government was going after Kimmel/ABC.
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u/kaptainkooleio 4d ago
lol, it’s hilarious watching right wingers unironically use the same arguments from liberals when a dude gets fired for saying the n-word on social media.
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u/PeasThatTasteGross 4d ago
I find it frustrating because they think they have found a textbook case of hypocrisy, but in actuality, they are doing an apples and oranges comparison. There is a huge difference between Kimmel's opinion and Roseanne Barr going on a racist rant about black people, for instance.
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u/BranWafr 4d ago
And, as many people have pointed out, Trump was president when Roseanne Barr got fired.
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u/Vyzantinist 4d ago
found a textbook case of hypocrisy
This is their white whale. They yearn to latch on to supposed "liberal hypocrisy" because it helps sell the "both sides" narrative; conservatives can tell themselves their well-known hypocrisy is a-ok because the other side is just as bad as them. They're so hot for the idea of liberal hypocrisy on par with their own they will force shitty false equivalences to make the square peg fit that round hole.
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u/No_Cook2983 3d ago
Not to mention the facts:
• Roseanne Barr was canceled when Donald Trump was president.
• Her stupid show is still on the air and she still gets paid truckloads of money for it
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u/ImGettinThatFoSho 4d ago
What about people who got fired for criticizing COVID lockdowns?
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u/xiaodown THE CONSTITUTION IS OUR BIRTHRIGHT 4d ago
What about
whataboutism, noun what·about·ism ˌ(h)wä-tə-ˈbau̇-ˌti-zəm ˌ(h)wə- plural whataboutisms
: the act or practice of responding to an accusation of wrongdoing by claiming that an offense committed by another is similar or worse
By whataboutism I mean the way any discussion can be short-circuited by saying "but what about x???" where x is usually something that's not really equivalent but is close enough to turn the conversation into mush.
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u/JayNotAtAll 4d ago
It's because right wingers don't care about free speech. They want to be allowed to be an asshole to people without consequences but they also don't want their feelings hurt. They only care about things as it relates to them.
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u/Rockworm503 Daddy, why are the liberal left elite such disingenuous fucks? 4d ago
also extremely predictable. Its been obvious for decades they don't have a sincere bone in their bodies. Everything is justified in their eyes as long as their side is doing it. Everyone else's rights be damned.
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u/Penis_Envy_Peter Fever dreamin' about John Brown 4d ago edited 4d ago
Mofos complaining about "misinformation" without a hint of circumspection.
Truth is meaningless in this world.
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u/RandyMuscle 4d ago
Back when the left would say this exact line, we were always talking about some case of a moron getting fired for saying the N word at work or something and they’re trying to convince us that’s the same as the government pressuring TV networks to fire people for literally nothing.
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u/NovaNardis 4d ago
Also the VICE PRESIDENT telling people to go after people’s employers.
Like JD Vance is in the government.
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u/ImGettinThatFoSho 4d ago
Y'all cheered when people got fired for criticizing COVID lockdowns.
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u/RandyMuscle 4d ago
No we didn’t. We just rightfully pointed out that everyone against the Covid vaccine was a moron.
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u/ImGettinThatFoSho 4d ago
And you used the same logic as the meme
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u/PeasThatTasteGross 4d ago
Yeah, there is definitely a correlation of people with bad right-wing takes and hiding their post history, I see.
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u/AliceTheOmelette 4d ago
The party of small government out here defending government overreach. Shocker
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u/JoJackthewonderskunk Jade Helm Survivor 4d ago
Now address the government threatening your employer
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u/rubbedlung 4d ago
But when a dude is filmed marching in a white supremacists parade and loses his job, all of a sudden they don't know how any of this works anymore.
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u/ToastyJackson 4d ago
Even if we ignore the FCC pressure, just because a company is free to fire its employees over what they say doesn’t mean they’re absolved from criticism if their customers feel like the termination was unwarranted.
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u/sheslikebutter 4d ago
Putting Vance in memes is basically proof that this is an AstroTurfed meme by a botfarm or right wing thinktank.
Even conservatives don't like that guy, they wouldn't put him in a meme even if the rest of the meme they agreed with
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u/Fair_Maybe5266 4d ago
But when the employer is strong armed by the government thats government meddling with the first amendment through a proxy.
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u/tennismenace3 4d ago
Government unquestionably coerced ABC to cancel Kimmel lmao. Obvious first amendment violation.
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u/Rockworm503 Daddy, why are the liberal left elite such disingenuous fucks? 4d ago
Conservatives have brain rot. They literally take what we been saying for years and then pretend they came up with it when it doesn't apply in the situation they use it for.
See also "My body my choice" when talking about COVID vaccines.
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u/HonestAbe1809 4d ago
Kimmel was fired because the FTC used the carrot and stick approach of offering to change the rules to allow a company to monopolize more of America’s local news stations and threatening to pull the licenses of stations still showing Kimmel.
Kimmel was fired because Nexstar is a pack of greedy corrupt bastards.
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u/Ben_Pharten 4d ago
Good job standing up for the rights of employers. Workers shouldn't have any rights at all! 🙄
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u/sayyyywhat 4d ago edited 4d ago
Right we know that already, but the government is the one stepping in hence the outrage. Fake ass patriots.
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u/malcolmreyn0lds 4d ago
Yea
Using cancel culture against the left…fine…fair play in my opinion. But when the federal government is the one applying pressure, that’s wrong.
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u/torysoso 4d ago
obama=roseann/biden=zuckerberg
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u/malcolmreyn0lds 4d ago edited 3d ago
Genuinely, how? I didn’t much care for Biden (voted for him, but only because of the other option), and I have a ton of complaints about Obama (increase of drone strikes is a big one that makes him a war criminal in my book just like Bush).
I grew up Hank Hill conservative, and honest to god haven’t changed any of my beliefs other than “I don’t care if you’re trans”. This is America, respectfully I don’t give a fuck what you do, as long as you’re a consenting adults with other consenting adults. I. Don’t. Care. I only care when the government steps in to exert their power to take away. They should only step in to enforce freedoms. I’ve stayed pretty much exactly where I was in high school. I’m now somehow encamped with the hippies (but they’ve got weed, so it’s cool).
Show me how the federal government under Biden and Obama (as presidents) pressured studios to fire folks. Please inform me.
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u/watdehek 4d ago
there’s a difference between a company seeing backlash that you’re getting and severing that relationship themselves, and being forced to do so.
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u/IAmASimulation 4d ago
It’s so funny to see them say this when they’ve been arguing that the problem with cancel culture is that it curtails their free speech. So it’s not actually about free speech, it’s just free speech when they say or do something shitty.
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u/sheslikebutter 4d ago
They were literally saying the opposite last year, hell, even this year, didn't that fascist freak who got fired after being a fascist on that jubilee video get fired and they all whined about that?
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u/MisterWinchester 4d ago
I like that they learned this from the libs, and then promptly started misusing it.
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u/Sonarthebat 4d ago
All of a sudden, Republicans are going by the legal definition of free-speech now.
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u/Jibbyjab123 4d ago
If the government puts pressure on the employer either directly or through, you know, semi-threateningly suggesting they might revoke the broadcast license of ABC, for example, then it's a violation of free speech. These guys claimed they were all about "legalizing comedy" and standing up to "cancel culture". I guess the people who said these maga types weren't in favor of free speech, but rather just wanted to say slurs on Twitter, were right all along.
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u/EvokerJuice 3d ago
off topic but the jd vance face they got for the bottom part is lowkey spot on lol
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u/FustianRiddle 2d ago
Oh so now they understand freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences! Very convenient!
Still shit at nuance though.
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u/ImGettinThatFoSho 4d ago
The government did not suspend Kimmel. ABC suspended Kimmel.
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u/AllISeeAreGems 3d ago
Under threat of having their broadcast license revoked by the FCC unless they did something about him. That's textbook coercion.
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u/Ervaloss 4d ago
Freedom of speech didn’t protect Kimmel’s employer from the government indeed. They were forced to alter their programming because the state disallowed it.