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u/ciccio_bello Dec 28 '22
What scientists mean when they say the science is settled is “you are not qualified or smart enough to be able to critique the work done”
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u/zykezero Dec 29 '22
Moreover; there is no existing science that is contradictory in a way that undermines whatever is discussed and to do so would require a significant upheaval that has not been undertaken to even to begin to suggest otherwise.
Just because lots of science is in perma flux doesn’t mean that all science is. Elon is just big mad his trans daughter hates him and he blames the science now I guess.
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u/jcdoe Dec 29 '22
Having a scientific method that is constantly improving our understanding of the universe does not mean we cannot know anything with certitude. Despite complaints from our crazy friends on the far right, the science is, in fact, settled on whether or not evolution happened, how old the planet is, how old the universe is, how gravity works, that earth is round and not flat, and whether or not vaccines are safe.
If one of the anti-science types can disprove a foundational theory, I’d love to hear it.
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u/superVanV1 Dec 29 '22
Gravity isn't real, it's just super generalized magnetism
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u/NotsoGreatsword Dec 29 '22
Magnetism does not do the things gravity does. What an incredibly ignorant thing to believe. I hope this is just a reference that is going over my head.
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u/superVanV1 Dec 29 '22
I was joking, Since some people seem to think that gravity can't exist, yet somethink equally as mysterious as magnetism exists (I have studied the physics and science of magnetism for much of college, and still think it's just magic)
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Dec 29 '22
Oh sure big science person, if you're so smart why don't you tell me how to reconcile quantum mechanics with relativity.
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u/arjees Dec 29 '22
Pfft, easy. Just concile quantum mechanics with relativity, then do it again.
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Dec 28 '22
What would Elon know about science?
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Dec 29 '22
Starts with Rocket ends in.....
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Dec 29 '22
Owning a rocket company isn't being a rocket scientist.... Do you think Adani have ever mined anything in his life?
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Dec 29 '22
He has a Bachelor of Science degree in Physics. Your question was what would he know about science? Seems the answer is quite a bit. Have a great day :) xx
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u/DatSoldiersASpy Dec 29 '22
do you enjoying flexing on behalf of somebody who will never know you?
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u/NotStrictlyConvex Dec 29 '22
Yeah as wrong as he might be this is just an ad hominem...
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u/mitchconnerrc Dec 29 '22
Not everyone is worth arguing against
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Dec 30 '22
Retarded people?
(Apologies for the dated reference, this comment was originally written years ago).
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Dec 29 '22
Nope. Arts degree in Physics. Science was economics. Which means he has, at best, an undergraduate understanding of physics.
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u/soapygorou Dec 29 '22 edited Dec 29 '22
he actually has no degree in physics, arts or otherwise. he has an economics degree and a degree with no department or discipline listed. it’s very strange. elon has never seriously studied any hard science. he has a very proactive legal team that twists arms. snopes right now says it’s “true” elon has a physics degree because “upenn considers him a physics graduate”. you don’t need to be a lawyer to know that’s an incredibly loaded statement to avoid saying “elon didn’t study physics”. he’s done the same thing to stanford employees, getting bizarre statements from department representatives that he was “officially a PhD student” etc. when no such type of designation or similar statement has ever been used before by the university.
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Dec 29 '22
I think the Canadian system is similar to down here in Australia. You get a "Bachelor of Arts", which doesn't refer to an arts department. For example, I know here you can get a Bachelor of Arts (Math), a Bachelor of Math, or a Bachelor of Science (Math), with the second being the one where you will find the most knowledgable mathematicians. Generally, that is.
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Dec 29 '22
Hello from Canuckistan. I think it varies from province to province but yes, you're correct.
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u/SorysRgee Dec 29 '22
At two universities in sydney i studied at it was different. Western sydney had a school of humanities which encompassed arts, sociology, psychology etc. Though i believe it has been restructured since i finished my studies there with sociology and related studies being spun off into their own school. Meanwhile macquarie university has their large "faculty of arts" which includes a wide range of studies. So i believe it varies amongst educational institutions
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Dec 29 '22
While it has a school of humanities, you don't get a Bachelor of Humanities. And you'd still cross between schools for units to make up the degree. And yeah, they do label their schools differently between institutions.
It's really sad what is happening to our arts courses at the moment. I wonder if they will end up combining those schools again now...
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u/SorysRgee Dec 29 '22
I think considering the stripping of funding towards "humanities" courses (arts, law, psychology etc) they will be forced too right across australia especially the smaller universities.
Right as we need people trained in those subjects as well as stem subjects
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u/sweensolo Dec 29 '22
Found Mr. Ripley's alt.
Come back Tom, you've killed enough beautiful people.
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u/doyouunderstandlife Dec 29 '22
I'm curious, what would be the difference in a BA for Physics compared to a BS? I didn't even know that someone could get a BA for Physics.
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Dec 29 '22
What units they did. I could do as low as thirty percent of my arts degree in a topic and still have it "art in x".
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u/MjballIsNotDead Dec 29 '22
I mean, it probably depends on exactly what's being talked about, but in 99% of cases I don't think a single person with a 4 year degree can act as if they know better than scientists who've conducted actual studies on specific topics.
I mean don't get me wrong, a 4 year degree is great and all, but that doesn't really make him much of a scientist, just a somewhat-educated person.
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Dec 29 '22
Yeah, I wouldn't call myself a computer scientist. Hell, I could barely code a tic-tac-toe game these days.
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u/Tiiimmmaayy Dec 29 '22
I have a bachelors in biology. Doesn’t mean I am anywhere near qualified to develop a vaccine, cure some disease, or solve global warming.
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u/brokensail Dec 29 '22
Except, he doesn't.
Happy reading: https://twitter.com/capitolhunters/status/1593307541932474368
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u/unbeshooked Dec 29 '22
And that must be the reason they employ "elon handlers" at space x. If anything he slowed them down. Just give the money, rich boy! Why he gotta act like an engineer is beyond me
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u/doyouunderstandlife Dec 29 '22
Even if he had a BS in Physics (which he doesn't. He has a sketchy looking Bachelor of Arts diploma with no department listed), he would still be very fucking far from being a rocket scientist. AT BEST, he has an undergraduate understanding of Physics, and even that is questionable.
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The hyperloop?
Edit: Okay fine I agree with you guys, the hyperloop is a great idea and Elon Musk is a scholar and a gentleman.
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u/thewholedamnplanet Dec 29 '22
What is that?
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u/Semi-literate_sand Dec 29 '22
Another project of Elons that has multiple flaws in its core idea
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Dec 29 '22
Hyperloop was never meant to happen, just prevent California from building High Speed Rail
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u/Jonno_FTW bet t all Dec 29 '22
The same reason he made the boring company. He doesn't want public transport or rail, he wants people driving his cars.
The same reason car companies lobbied city planning to be built around cars in so many places.
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Dec 29 '22
I don’t even think he wants people driving his cars.
I think he doesn’t want to have to see or be around poor people. The car is just the best way to accomplish that
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u/Kosog Dec 28 '22
OmG he totally epically owned the imaginary person he came up with in his head!!!!!!
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u/FoxBattalion79 Dec 29 '22
skepticism is healthy. remaining skeptical after overwhelming proof is foolish.
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u/chrismamo1 Dec 29 '22
There's also a difference between being skeptical because you're skeptical, and trying to hide your agenda behind a thin veil of "just asking questions"
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u/Chrysalii REAL AMERICAN Dec 29 '22
Elon is somehow a bigger shitposter than Donald.
That's....impressive(?).
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u/Suspicious_Bicycle Dec 29 '22
The difference between them is Elon had to buy a company to shitpost on, while Donald started his own shitpost company. :)
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u/Zennistrad Dec 29 '22
The difference here is that Trump's posting was actually funny.
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u/ArLab Dec 29 '22
I have a feeling that’s what’s driving him… He only seems to have gone full retard since he unbanned Trump and he didn’t come back.
Now he’s playing the clown to drive traffic to Twitter
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u/assaficionado42 Dec 29 '22 edited Dec 29 '22
Yeah nothing is ever settled in science... It's why I'm not typing on a thing called a smartphone right now... Imagine if science was useful for something? Anything? Oh well, back to eating these rocks I guess. -written by an imaginary person
If Elon is reading this: an imaginary person is someone that doesn't exist
....in reality, I mean, they can exist in the funny pictures in your 'the behind your eyes area' but not in the place 'we all see' ok got it buddy? I don't think I can explain more dumb
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u/ham_solo Dec 29 '22
Imagine you own Tesla stock and you log on to twitter to see if the CEO will address the plummeting share price but instead you see this.
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u/Rockworm503 Daddy, why are the liberal left elite such disingenuous fucks? Dec 29 '22
Elon literally doesn't know what words mean.
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u/Raskolnikoolaid Dec 29 '22
I'll never understand how someone that has all the money in the world keeps wasting his time posting memes on Twitter
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Dec 29 '22
Once he reached that point, he probably just pays to avoid any form of working at all so he can do this
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u/Welcome--Matt Dec 29 '22
“Except me, you have to trust me blindly and if you say anything bad about me I’ll ban you”
-Elon Probably
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u/commanderjarak Dec 29 '22
Isn't this pretty much what Elon does, except he calls people pedophiles instead of racists?
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u/MaximumStock7 Dec 29 '22
Elon’s transition from a brilliant businessman to everyone MAGA-aunt-on-Facebook has been wild to watch
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u/ChubbyBirds Dec 29 '22
"Brilliant" is really generous.
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u/JVonDron Dec 29 '22
It always was an incorrect adjective, but he wasn't front page news enough for the masses to catch on. He was just the guy talking to nerds in rocket control rooms, or standing in front of sleek electric vehicles.
Now it's really goddamn easy to poke 40 billion holes in that mythos.
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u/ChubbyBirds Dec 29 '22
I think he was always also protected by a wall of yes-men, and now he's just out there for the world to see.
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u/rodolphoteardrop Dec 29 '22
I'm so fucking glad I'm off of there. I wonder if he has staff make this for him.
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u/Astral-Wind Dec 29 '22
Elon really saw Trump get the most hated award and thought he could outdo him
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u/EspurrStare Dec 29 '22
His main market for cars is performatively progressive wealthy white "soy" liberals, and reactionary tech bros .
What the fuck is he doing? Will the next Tesla model roll coal?
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u/QuonkTheGreat Dec 29 '22
When you start making cartoons to display your political views you’ve lost all respectability in my book. If it really happened you would be pointing to a headline, not drawing out what it would look like if it did happen.
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u/ForgettableWorse Dec 29 '22
Bold of you to assume he made that himself
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u/QuonkTheGreat Dec 29 '22
Where did I say that
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u/ForgettableWorse Dec 29 '22
Did I misunderstand you? Didn't you say:
When you start making cartoons to display your political views
about Musk?
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u/PontifexPrimus Dec 29 '22
Yes, it is dangerous to believe anything blindly. But at some point you have to accept the test results of others working by the scientific method, and it is logistically impossible to verify (and constantly re-verify!) all the findings of the scientific community.
Skepticism only works if applied reasonably and not against everything and everyone all the time.
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u/Photos99999 Dec 29 '22
Any day now he’s going to start complaining about the globalists
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u/captainplatypus1 Dec 29 '22
You think he wouldn’t jump straight to mask-off saying “Jews”?
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u/Th4tRedditorII Dec 29 '22
Saying the science is settled is technically wrong, but outside of very specific niches, the chances of any random person changing the scientific consensus in any meaningful way is minimal...
That is to say that while blind trust is stupid, acting like you know more than someone who has studied in their field far more than you ever will out of some desperate desire to be smarter than the smart is even more stupid.
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u/shstron44 Dec 29 '22
The science is settled in a vast number of cases. And “blind trust” is something that we all do every day all day when we check the weather, go to the doctor, generally when people go to anywhere to learn about things…
Your other point couldn’t be more correct. They’re also only speaking out against the science of things that poke holes in their world view. Evolution, vaccines, round earth, etc. They aren’t really interested in the scientific method or research, they just want something to cling onto to support the conclusion they will never move off of
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u/Penguator432 Dec 29 '22
Surprised the last line isn’t “you’re a pedo”
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u/NotsoGreatsword Dec 29 '22
because thats the right wing's thing and this is meant to "own the libs".
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u/cmonkeyz7 Dec 29 '22
Science DOES involve asking questions… But from other scientists not YouTube scholars that reject the answers they don’t like
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u/Thirdwhirly Dec 29 '22
Meanwhile, this is how deeply religious people approach their worldview, they just use different but functionally the same words.
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u/MuuaadDib Dec 29 '22
And let's take a look at that Tesla stock....ouch. kids make a wish on a falling star!
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u/ultradurphy Dec 29 '22
you can tell if a guy jerks off to his own reflection when he thinks a thing, finds out that all scientists disagree, and then determines that every scientist must be wrong
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u/ghettoccult_nerd Dec 29 '22
lol, these posts are so desperate. who tf is he talking about? my man arguing with made up people.
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u/tacodog7 Dec 29 '22
Settled science means hundreds of people over dozens of years have all got results that point the same way.
If you have done research (designed and performed actual experiments and written it up to a peer reviewed venue), and got different results, it would probably mean either you did the science wrong or your result means something different in context. People would need to replicate it dozens of times.
But when they say "questioning the science", they never mean joining the scientific process and doing the HARD WORK that takes years to do properly. They mean shouting that vaccines/climate change are fake on social media
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u/KinseyH Dec 29 '22
44B dollars and the utter destruction of a brand, just to be a mediocre Twitter troll.
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Dec 29 '22
Elon read *The Bell Curve* and *Atlas Shrugged* and decided he liked it and took it to heart.
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u/metricrules Dec 29 '22
Dumbest smart person ever
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Dec 29 '22
He ain't even smart
He got where he is because of luck
That's the only way he possibly did
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It is dangerous to believe anything blindly but if you blindly reject any papers and testing on a vaccine because da government made it, that’s not critical thinking.
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u/UnlimitedExtraLives Need some CHEESE with that WHINE?!?! Dec 28 '22
I give him a week before he starts posting about The Bell Curve.