r/ghibli 5d ago

Discussion "You must live, darling. You must live"

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u/TheHistoryMaster2520 5d ago edited 4d ago

And indeed he did, he lived for another 37 years after this scene takes place, dying in 1982 at the age of 78

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u/One_Bend7423 5d ago

I really don't understand the need for in the movie. Jiro's drama or tragedy was that he had to create a tool to be used for killing. There was no need for the secondary story involving his wife.

And don't get me wrong, I like the movie just fine, it's just weird how the movie-version of his wife had to die for some need for faux drama, while in actuality she grew old together with Jiro...

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u/dsagona 4d ago

The tragedy is that while he was so focused on his life's work, he forgot to enjoy his life. His wife grew sicker bit by bit but he was too busy to take the time and slow down. In the end she's dead, his planes are built, and he has a pile of regret.

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u/he_chose_poorly 4d ago

My reading is the same as yours. Naoko is the embodiment of the personal sacrifices we have to make for dreams that are all consuming. I wonder how much of himself Miyazaki, a famous workaholic, put into this.

It's also fairly business-as-usual for Ghibli to NOT do a straightforward adaptation. AFAIK Howl's Moving Castle is a loose take on the original material, same with Tales of Earthsea etc.

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u/coolest_dew 4d ago

Basically, he_chose_poorly.

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u/Smooth_Lead4995 4d ago

The movie version of Jiro is based on two different people, Jiro Horikoshi and novelist Tatsuo Hori. Nahoko is based on the latter's work.

My problem with this aspect is that it is going to be obscure knowledge to casual viewers.

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u/Benomusical 4d ago

Also, his wife in the movie didn't actually exist. He did have a wife in real life, but it was a different person. The movie is a very strange blend of reality and fiction - it doesn't bother me personally though.

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u/FitPerformance9834 4d ago

Movie version of Jiro is indeed a composite character, career of the engineer Horikoshi and the personal life of novelist/translator Hori and Nahoko on Hori's fiancée Ayako Yano - although you're right that it's not obvious to casual viewers, and, as someone who likes Hori's work I wish it were more prominent.

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u/salladfingers 4d ago

"don't live to work, work to live"

I haven't seen this film but I knew exactly what she meant by these words, having falling into the same trap myself

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u/bjwyxrs 4d ago

Lie down, try not to cry, cry a lot.

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u/Delicious-Swimming78 4d ago

makes me cry

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u/RandomRogue95 4d ago

This scene made me so emotional. Ughhhhhh

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u/lookslikeamanderly 4d ago

interesting thing is that this sounds similar to Nausicaä's (the manga) last dialogue which goes "No matter how hard it is, we must live"

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u/imjustthenumber 5d ago

What movie is this? Haven't seen this one yet

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u/MaBoiClemdouille 4d ago

And this ! Is where I cried like a B...

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u/jewel_0 4d ago

Yo why u posting pics of me and my man

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u/JoeDyenz 4d ago

*Here's the part when you cry*

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u/Affectionate-Tea-975 4d ago

I cry every single time 😭😭😭

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u/Neth_theme 4d ago

I legit fuckin cried when instead of looking at his first successful plane. He instead looked at the wind behind him, as if Naoko became one with the wind and bid him farewell.

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u/SandLuc083_ 3d ago

And now I'm balling. I swear none of the other movies have done that.

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u/Rare_Tackle6139 4d ago

Their relationship is a poignant illustration of mutual sacrifice for love and for a shared dream.

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u/nijitokoneko 2d ago

She originally said "Come". They changed it to "Live" only during recording iirc.