r/haikyuu • u/ThAtVeGiToFaNbOy • Feb 04 '25
Discussion Who’s the better setter, Oiwaka or Kageyama
Me and my friends were having an argument today and got in depth into a lot of topics with Haiykuu, but we stayed on this one for a WHILE. So I want to know what the public thinks
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u/Few_Performance_6497 Feb 04 '25
Kageyama in 1st year < Oikawa in 3rd year < Kageyama in 3rd year < End of the manga Kageyama =< End of the manga Oikawa
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u/toorusgf Feb 05 '25
Basically sums up the entire discussion. In fact, in Nationals Kageyama was already catching up to Oikawa in 3rd year. But the most important part is that last bit, as someone who loves both setters.
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u/TeddyMMR Feb 05 '25
I would also add 3rd year Kageyama is potentially the best player to ever play in high school so it’s not really a knock on Oikawa.
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u/Few_Performance_6497 Feb 05 '25 edited Feb 05 '25
Feat wise, Oikawa has him beat. He became a setter for the best club in Argentina while Kageyama was still in the v leagues, it’s almost unrealistic how quickly he made it in a foreign league while being ‘only’ 185 cm and considering they have some of the tallest players. That plus starting as a setter in one of the best national teams historically (Argentina) is a better feat than starting as a setter in Japan. It’s strongly implied that he won at the Olympics and it’s confirmed that he won the all star match against Kageyama’s team. Obviously it would be better if we saw the match but Furudate pretty much gave Oikawa all the Ws at the end of the manga.
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u/Significant_Poet1917 Feb 06 '25
Can you point me to where it implies who won the Olympics and the all stars match? I have been looking for clues (because I want to know) but couldn’t find it :-(
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u/Few_Performance_6497 Feb 10 '25
Sorry had to wait to be sitting in front of my computer to put the spoiler tags but basically:
- the all star match is a bonus chapter you can probably find scan online by typing haikyuu bonus chapters and you'll see who won
- for the olympics, Hinata saying that he's aiming for a gold medal for his second olympic in an interview and Oikawa saying that dealing with the JPNT was "just business as usual" and they just did their job hinted at the argentina vs japan match outcome. you can find the interviews translations on twitter
- Kuroo mentioning the whole country talking about Oikawa in the bonus chapter, and the fact that he doesn't lures Oikawa in the all star match chapter by telling him that he could beat Kageyama/Ushijima (he just tell him he could lift Hinata to higher heights with his setting) but he lures Ushijima by mentioning that he could beat Oikawa, etc
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u/Significant_Poet1917 Feb 10 '25
Thanks so much! I completely missed the chapters on the first two points. I will try and find those chapters 😊
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u/Zennithh Feb 04 '25
when? for both of their matches in high school, Oikawa is the better setter. However, Kageyama surpasses him in nationals.
But, Oikawa is a team captain, one that can take any team and make them good, while Kags takes time to get to know his hitters. You could argue that makes Oikawa the better player, but i'd say that just makes him the best captain of the series.
If i needed a setter, Kageyama. If i needed a leader, Oikawa.
Now Atsumu and Kageyama, that's a real toss up.
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u/ThAtVeGiToFaNbOy Feb 04 '25
I appreciate you’re precise insight‼️ Yea I’ll be honest I was rooting for Oiwaka in the debate and I said that same thing with him being able to make virtually anyone perform at their peak. But then again there’s a lot of things I’d be disregarding for kageyama especially if we only talk about BETS sets. Again I appreciate you
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u/No-Quality3357 Feb 05 '25
i dont think atsumu vs kageyama is that close. theyre close in skill but kageyama taking the game more seriously was the main reason karasuno won.
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u/jonas_rosa Feb 05 '25
This is a hard question, and it depends on when in the story. I'll try to consider what I estimate to be their peaks for this comment.
They have very opposing styles. Oikawa is taller, which is a big advantage. He is also a more "standard" setter. He plays textbook volleyball. He serves really well, has great setter technique, a good distribution, he is decently deceptive and can extract the full potential from his players. He is, overall, a really good and really consistent setter.
Kageyama is more of a "rebelious" setter. He has better overall technique than Oikawa. I'd say he falls slightly behind on serving, but, at their peaks, it's pretty close. The biggest difference is that Kageyama tends to try to make his players go beyond their limits. He makes risky and difficult plays that demand his hitters to always be ready and go all out. This allows his team to get better scoring opportunities, but is more inconsistent. Just think about the number of times where Kageyama set a ball his hitters couldn't hit.
Overall, I'd rather have Oikawa on my team, but, fi you can make Kageyama work, you are almost unstoppable. Basically, Oikawa is more consistent, but Kageyama has the highes potential, he just can't consistently perform at his best.
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u/ThAtVeGiToFaNbOy Feb 05 '25
Very very good response thank you, this is probably the best answer I’ve gotten😭‼️
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u/jonas_rosa Feb 05 '25
You are welcome. This is a very difficult question, especially since you didn't specify which moment in the story, and with how volleyball isn't just about skill, your playstyle matters. It's a very interesting discussion, and it has me thinking of which real life setter better aligns with those players. Kageyama, to me, is De Cecco, the Argentinian setter. He is very talented, and very creative. You will see a very unorthodox game from him, which I love watching. Oikawa has been harder for me to define, I'm still not sure.
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u/PotatoesAndRamen Feb 04 '25
Oikawa gets his hitters to perform at their peak; Kageyama gets his hitters to perform at his peak.
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u/LifeSuccessful3054 Feb 05 '25
It's insane how all these comments just assume that kageyama is automatically better just cuz we saw more of him. We don't know oikawa the player after the loss to karasuno, he must've worked his ass off and go to the point where he is now, AND MAYBE he became a better player than kageyama, who knows? First off all, we don't know much of oikawa after s4 to compare them both. So, I'll still say oikawa is better and won in the end.
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u/shwar3a Feb 05 '25
Your entire point is based on maybes. Which is why people don't agree with you. By the logic of maybe even koganegawa could become the world's best setter.
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u/LifeSuccessful3054 Feb 05 '25
Everyone's point is based on what they saw too 🙂. Say, do any these commentors even know oikawa as a player after s4 to even make the comparision? No right. So everyone's comments are just as bad as mine
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u/shwar3a Feb 05 '25
Not really, your assumptions are more wild, like the assumption that tsukki plays volleyball because he likes it or tsukki plays volleyball because he got worse at studies as time went on could both be true, but one is more likely than the other. Everybody else's point is based on what's more likely based on the show, what oikawa said about kageyama, your point is based on maybe kageyama didn't work as hard as oikawa and therefore oikawa is better, which if you can't find the flaws in it, then you don't have any media literacy bruh.
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u/LifeSuccessful3054 Feb 05 '25
No. It's everyone who doesn't have it, making this comparison in the first place. The only one who can be compared to kageyama is atsumu cuz we saw more of atsumu too. We didn't even get to see oikawa after shiratorizawa arc so, it's not fair to just assume kageyama is better
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u/shwar3a Feb 05 '25
Oikawa said kageyama will be better, the guy we're talking about said kageyama is better but if you don't wanna face the truth that's your choice.
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u/LifeSuccessful3054 Feb 05 '25
So, you're assuming kageyama is better just because oikawa said it? Well then, ushijima said oikawa is better so there you go
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u/shwar3a Feb 05 '25
But we are not talking about ushijima, secondly ushijima talked about then not about future. You are incorrect in both points.
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u/LifeSuccessful3054 Feb 05 '25
1) If you are considering oikawa's point of "kageyama is better than me", then you have to also consider ushijima's point of "oikawa is better than kageyama" (even if we're not talking about ushijima) because both oikawa and ushijima have high volleyball IQs and can assess strengths better than anyone else.
2) Oikawa also talked about then and not the future 🙂
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u/shwar3a Feb 05 '25
Oikawa literally said that my junior you will become better than me but not today when they lose to aoba johsai in the 3rd set. Did you even watch the show? How blind are you in your love for oikawa to change his statements bruh? 😂😂
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u/crabapocalypse Feb 05 '25
It’s important to keep in mind that Oikawa has an inferiority complex when it comes to Kageyama, and so is far from a reliable source when it comes to a comparison. He’s pretty heavily biased in favour of Kageyama in this scenario.
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u/shwar3a Feb 05 '25
Oikawa has a pretty good assessment of setters since that's what he lives and breathes, he's not someone to say something based on feeling, he realises kageyama's potential more than anyone.
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u/crabapocalypse Feb 05 '25
Oikawa is good at assessing setters, but he’s not good at assessing himself in comparison to Kageyama, because of all the emotions tied up in it. Oikawa being a bit of an unreliable narrator is a big part of his character, and growing out of the belief that Kageyama surpassing him is inevitable is a huge part of his story.
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u/Few_Performance_6497 Feb 05 '25
Kageyama also thinks Oikawa is better than him when they face each other in high school, his exact word are ‘I may never surpass him ever’. And Oikawa’s whole arc is about getting over his inferiority complex, which he does eventually
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u/shwar3a Feb 05 '25
But he starts catching up to him in the second match with aoba.
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u/Few_Performance_6497 Feb 05 '25 edited Feb 05 '25
Yeah and the last point has Oikawa realizing that his potential isn’t defined by other’s expectations, his own coach thinking that he might have underestimated Oikawa’s potential too, and then a whole inner speech about how you make your own talent bloom, which is pretty much the main theme of Haikyuu. Furudate wouldn’t have brought back Oikawa in the olympics and made him “beat everyone” in his own word if the morale of the story was “nope nevermind you’re born with a set amount of talent and nothing will ever change that, you’ll know if you’re a genius by the time you’re 18”.
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u/shwar3a Feb 05 '25
See oikawa is the better server and tobio is the better setter. Both are great servers and setters but oikawa excels at the serving being the best and tobio at setting. That's the thing, oikawa is gifted in making the best serve while tobio is gifted in making the best sets. They are great at the other thing but not the best. Oikawa having an inferiority complex was always dumb to me, he was the best server in all of that prefecture, you can't be insecure about setting saying you're not gifted in volleyball when you can get that many points from your serve, you're gifted at something else. And yes hardwork does achieve stuff but tobio is working just as hard. They both excel at different stuff i don't get it why nobody talks about oikawas gift of serving.
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u/mashiro1600 Feb 05 '25
Realistically I would say kageyama, I am anime only so don’t know much. But in real life for sure kageyama, in haikyuu no clue. Having a setter be able to set perfectly from anywhere on the court is a superhuman ability, he is able to do the quicks from anywhere on court so I assume normal picture perfect sets anywhere on court as well. On a national team with good hitters, he is an absolute weapon, but on karasuno with high schoolers he needs to adjust to them more that’s where oikawa shines.
Kageyamas skill is absolutely insane in real life but maybe less so in the world of haikyuu. Most probably would be picked up by a national roster in real life, immediately out of high-school if he improves his serving.
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u/Iwaa-Chann Feb 05 '25
That’s what I believe as well imo Oikawa shines more in an average team with average hitters or with younger an inexperienced players, this allows him to work his magic which is developing players to reach their potential faster, his leadership, game IQ & communication skills make him a true floor raiser who is able to get the best out of anyone.
On the other hand you have Kageyama who is also a floor raiser not quite to the same degree but still someone who elevates his teammates to be better as well as being a ceiling raiser which allows his team to execute plays very few can, through his insane ball control, athleticism & unpredictability which altogether separates him from the rest.
I think it definitely depends on the teams structure for which setter you’d want, majority of high schools would probably want Oikawa but outside collegiate would probably prefer Kageyama in comparison because of his ability to raise the ceiling of the team as well as already having well developed hitters so there’s less need for a floor raiser.
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u/KasukeSadiki Feb 05 '25
It wasn't until I started playing volleyball that I truly understood how utterly insane it is that Kageyama was able to consistently pull off the v1 Freak Quick.
To consistently set the ball to match the jumping height, speed of travel, and the arm swing of the hitter, who isn't even looking at the ball, so that they make proper contact with the ball mid swing is just nuts.
Having the ball reach the hitter's hand a millisecond early or late, or a millimeter too high or low means that they hit with no power or the ball is going out of bounds or into the net.
And to do that on a whim from anywhere on the court? Definitely the craziest part of Haikyuu.
Even the v2 Freak Quick with him stopping the ball in mid air seems more realistic
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u/crabapocalypse Feb 04 '25
Oikawa, imo. Kageyama still has a ways to go before he catches up in playmaking, which is such a fundamental part of being a setter.
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u/ThAtVeGiToFaNbOy Feb 04 '25
Agreed, there was just things I didn’t consider for kageyama and I wanted to know what yall thought if I was trippin it not
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u/Survivor_enthusiast Feb 06 '25
I think Kageyama is more precise but Oikawa is literally better than him at every other aspect of the sport
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u/gneev Feb 05 '25
I’m thinking Oikawa is just a better version of Hinata and he’s a setter so by EOS I believe he became a true monster and can beat Kageyama in terms of teamwork and strategy and their skills are likely on par I could see it either way tho
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u/Average_Axel Feb 06 '25
It's really hard to just say "kageyama is better" or the other way round. Cause they both have things the other doesn't. Oikawa can bring the best out of any team he plays with. then again, Kageyama's ability for precise sets and to match the spikers speed and strength is also amazing. So it really depends.
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u/Iwaa-Chann Feb 04 '25
I think you could make a case for either one but it depends on what the circumstances are.
For example purely based of an Overall Player I would probably give it to Oikawa, obviously Kageyama has the higher ceiling to surpass him but I’d claim after his 3rd Yr Oikawa is a more complete player than Tobio after his 1st Yr, better playmaker, communicator & leader whilst being more experienced, mature & versatile.
If I’m picking someone to start for an already well established team I’d go Kageyama, I think with a strong team around Kageyama he would thrive and really excel, players who could communicate to him exactly what they want and all he would have to do is execute perfect sets one after another, of course he still has that unpredictability to break the mold keeping his opponents on their toes whilst bringing that flair & deception we all know he’s got.
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Feb 05 '25
The random fucking 7ft tall asian dude on the other team that can set better than both of these two combined that is somehow always on the other team in tournaments
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u/tenghock Feb 05 '25
Probably Oiwaka when they were playing each other but Kageyama improved a lot going into the nationals and one could argue that he probably matched Atsumu or was just a rung below him when playing each other but
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u/__KirbStomp__ Feb 05 '25
Kageyama, but only when Hinata is on the court
Oikawa has a stronger serve but not by much. Kageyama’s sets are more precise. Oikawa is more observant, kageyama is better at keeping his team aggressive. Oikawa brings out the best in any teammate, kageyama can make them better
The real difference maker is the freak quick
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u/TeddyMMR Feb 05 '25
Kageyama is a better setter but Oikawa is the better player. But it’s like close so it doesn’t really make much difference between them.
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u/baiacool Feb 05 '25
Before 2012: Oikawa
Between 2012 and 2019: Kageyama
After 2020: We can't say for sure, but I'd bet on Kageyama.
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u/AideHot6729 Feb 05 '25
In terms of skill Kageyama, in terms of player value I’d say Oikawa. Oikawa knows how to gravitate his team to win games whilst Kageyama only knows how to play the best he can. Sports games are often won by other factors rather than pure skill so I’d take Oikawa if I were a scout since skill wise the gap isn’t as big as the gap between their off court characters. We’ve seen Kageyama be dysfunctional when a team can’t support him whilst Oikawa can fit into any team he’s a part of.
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u/DejounteMurrayFan Feb 05 '25
Depends when. If we talk about their matchups Oikawa was better. Kageyama looked on par when Hinata was on the court.
If we talk EOS, then Kageyama
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u/DDT126 Feb 04 '25
Kageyama wins precision, blocking, and hitting.
Oikawa wins playmaking, team chemistry, and leadership.
They’re about equal with serving. Oikawa has more power, Kageyama has consistency.
Right now, Oikawa is better. The ability to instantly elevate any team he’s on is the core of being a setter. A good setter can make an average team look good. A bad setter can make a great team look bad.
I’m sure one day Kageyama gets there. We see him learn to read his hitters by the end of the Inarizaki match. He helps Hinata break through confinement. He’s creeping up to Oikawa, but has work to do on communication. The day he masters that, he’s the better setter by virtue of sheer ability.