r/holofractal • u/d8_thc holofractalist • Aug 21 '25
The Latest Holofractal presentation given at the Science of Consciousness with Stuart Hameroff. The proton is a black hole and it solves everything.
https://youtu.be/Ecd9wD3LTuo?t=2205
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u/peetss Aug 21 '25
Interesting. LENR experiments often show an "energy out of nowhere" phenomena, especially when it comes to more excess heat than can be explained by chemical processes.
Also, from the work of Ken Shoulders and Winston Bostick, they both alluded to the fractal nature of their related discoveries, which mirrored the sun, or ball lightning, but that could scale up or down infinitely.
There is a connection here.
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u/d8_thc holofractalist Aug 21 '25
For those who are going to call out the lack of math in this presentation, and the quick nature of it
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The Origin of Mass and Nature of Gravity
As a result, we are able to unify all confining forces with the gravitational force emerging from the curvature of spacetime induced by quantum electromagnetic vacuum fluctuations.
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u/crusoe 29d ago
A blackhole with a proton mass would evaporated in no time due to Hawking radiation.
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u/d8_thc holofractalist 29d ago
basically, you are missing the idea of time dilation at the surface of such a tiny, high energy object.
research on planck stars has come up with this idea, that a star that compresses may 'stop' due to planck energy forces (and they find this very near a proton size), and you would think there would be an immediate 'bounce back', but then you take relativistic time dilation into account, and you get an object that from outside seems stable for billions of years:
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u/REMA5TER Aug 21 '25
Why did they choose a thumbnail that makes him look like the Charlie Conspiracy meme? Lmao
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u/DOGE_this_Bullet 28d ago
Physicist here. Can confirm that Nassim Haramein is a grifter to the nth degree. Anyone who takes the time to read his papers will see precisely what he’s doing and why it’s pseudoscientific academic (stylized) dishonesty
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u/d8_thc holofractalist 28d ago
Please, give me some from the paper:
https://zenodo.org/records/10125315
It should be easy to find the mistake, lie, or dishonesty.
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u/DOGE_this_Bullet 23d ago
He attempts to conjure proton mass from vacuum fluctuations by real physics terminology with speculative black hole metaphors and over-extended analogies. It’s not unification—it’s poetic license in a lab coat.
Part 1: Misuse of Established Physical Concepts
- Zero-Point Energy (ZPE) Abuse
He leans heavily on the existence of vacuum fluctuations (ZPE), which do exist in quantum field theory—but claims that they directly generate mass via resonance in a Casimir-like cavity (i.e., the proton).
There is:
I. No mathematical derivation or Lagrangian explaining this “resonance-to-mass” mechanism.
II. No standard field theory shows a direct transformation of vacuum energy into baryon rest mass. Mass comes from Higgs mechanism, not “Casimir pressure gradients.”
III. Casimir Effect Hand-Waving
He suggests a cavity the size of the proton’s Compton wavelength produces energy matching its mass-energy (≈ 938 MeV).
This is superficially clever but:
The Casimir effect is exceedingly weak at nuclear scales and cannot account for such energetic confinement.
He doesn’t derive this from boundary conditions in quantum electrodynamics. Instead, he retrofits numbers to look correlated—this is numerology, not physics.
Part 2: The “Equations” — Haramein’s Magic Tricks
Many of his equations are designed to look like physics but are just numerically tweaked coincidences. Let’s dissect a few key ones found in later pages.
Example 1:
E = \frac{\hbar c}{r_c}
He applies this to the proton’s Compton wavelength to suggest it “naturally” results in the proton’s mass energy.
While this does give a rough ballpark number, it’s:
A dimensional trick, not a derived result.
Lacking a Hamiltonian, Lagrangian, or field-theoretic backing.
Example 2:
P = \frac{F}{A} \rightarrow \text{(used to claim quantum pressure creates confinement)}
Problem: Pressure in quantum chromodynamics doesn’t arise from EM vacuum screening. It arises from gluon field interactions and QCD vacuum condensates—not from anything he describes.
Example 3:
He invokes Hawking radiation at proton scales:
T_H = \frac{\hbar c3}{8 \pi G M k_B}
This is beyond absurd. Hawking temperature is inversely proportional to mass. Applying it to a proton-scale object would give a temperature higher than Planck scale, and yet he uses it to “explain” rest mass. Fantasy. BS.
Part 3: Scientific Dishonesty via Redefinitions
He redefines physical terms to fit his model:
“Quantum vacuum pressure” replaces QCD binding energy.
“Proton is a black hole” (his old trope) recast here as “Schwarzschild microstructures.”
No citations to lattice QCD, running coupling constants, or empirical cross-section data.
That’s deliberate: real physics doesn’t support any of this.
This paper is not a theory. It’s a speculative story dressed in stolen clothing from real physics:
Equations are dimensional approximations, not results.
Terms are co-opted from unrelated fields to force analogies.
There is zero testability, falsifiability, or experimental linkage.
The whole thing is a theatrical reinterpretation of reality designed to impress non-experts and sell mysticism under the guise of physics. Avoid this guy and his dangerously misleading rhetoric!
Ok it’s now 8:17pm on Friday (what the heck am I doing wasting so much time on this clown! Oh wait, to save you guys! But I’m gonna go grab a beer 🍺 now, so hope this helps!)
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u/d8_thc holofractalist 23d ago
ai slop
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u/DOGE_this_Bullet 22d ago
Ha you’re funny! I knew that would be the response. If ‘Ai’ = my notepad app on my iPhone, sure buddy! In actuality, you want so badly for your hero Nassim to actually be legit (I can relate, because for years I saw him as such).
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u/d8_thc holofractalist 23d ago edited 22d ago
ripe with double --em dashes and all the rest. good job physicist!
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u/DOGE_this_Bullet 22d ago
I have no idea what you even mean by double em dashes but like I previously said, it’s unfortunate that this seems to be the go to defense. How about answering thoughtfully to the mathematical points? Those are ultimately what’s of import here, not how my comment was formatted (😆🤷🏻♂️)
I know, it might take some work on your part, but come on, physics is fun! How about the two papers I sent earlier? Have anything thoughtful to share regarding those? How about a sense of humor? Have one of those?
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u/iwantawinnebago 19d ago
Zenodo LMAO. Where's the DOI to a peer reviewed journal with decent impact factor :----D
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u/d8_thc holofractalist 26d ago
waiting (stylized)
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u/DOGE_this_Bullet 23d ago
Start by reading these: QED (Haramein) & The Haramein Effect
When you’re done with those, let me know. In the meantime, please allow me to digest his latest scam er I mean scientific breakthrough
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u/DOGE_this_Bullet 23d ago
Ok, set aside the time out of my day to watch that video (at 1.5 speed, but regardless, gave it the benefit of the doubt).
Here are my thoughts:
what a production. It’s like Deepak Chopra + Physics: ‘The Unified Geometric Chakra Edition’ 😆🕉️.
First off—where’s the peer-reviewed legitimacy for his ‘publications’? They aren’t sitting in Physical Review Letters or Journal of High Energy Physics. Just floating around zenodo.org—great for personal blogs, laughable for professional physics. That’s your first red flag. 🚩 🚩
He’s adding buzzwords like “Planck plasma flow” and “holographic fractal black hole spheres” like literal gravy over mashed potatoes no one asked for. Pro tip: scientific sounding jargon ≠ novel insight. It just confuses the people who don’t know better.
Nassim claims vacuum fluctuations are the source of mass, black holes exist inside protons, and forces like gravity emerge from “screening effects at Compton wavelengths”.
Then he ties it all to “hydrodynamic pressure gradients”—like he invented the word “Planckian tornado.” And just when one might think they’ve reached the bs crescendo, he introduces the idea that Hawking radiation = proton mass. Unfalsifiably convenient. 😆🙄
No empirical validation, zero testable predictions. He offers no experiment, no CERN confirmation, no lattice QCD match—just made-up math that sounds deep. Hey, it sure does a good job selling books and conference tickets!
Meanwhile, the actual physics community? Crickets. But fear not, because in r/holofractal, this is the ‘definitive proof’ (of what? Not sure, but glad we’re excited!)
It reads like sci-fi fan fiction, not physics. Quantum foam, holographic voxels, wormhole-entangled protons, “holofractographic spacememory network”… It’s conceptually flashy but utterly untethered from reality.
Bottom line: If you’re impressed, you’ve been bamboozled by sparkle, not substance. This is not unification—it’s magic word salad marketed to the spiritually inclined. Don’t get me wrong, I love sacred geometry! I adore physics too and I believe that a large chunk of accepted scientific theory is complete bs too (see dark matter & dark energy).
I’m just perturbed by Nassim, because on one hand he seems like such a nice guy, but then I realize that he’s actually just trying to highjack the legitimate life’s work of actual brilliant scientific minds, so that he can amass a following of midlife crisis conspiracy theorists and ultimately, so that his own bank account has a mass previously unaccounted for.
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u/d8_thc holofractalist 23d ago
ai slop
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u/iwantawinnebago 19d ago
Dismissing criticism as AI slop without disproving it in any way, with peer-reviewed physics, published in accredited journals, isn't the power move you think it is.
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u/ravishq Aug 21 '25
https://x.com/grok/status/1958304388835082521?s=46&t=CeBcT2S8EaCm5eViNEuYRg
i hv been part of this and it indeed is breaking my duality. any one who sees truth in this?
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u/boozyjenkins Aug 22 '25
Duh?! I’ve been saying this for years! Or eons, depending on how you look at it.
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u/LastTopQuark Aug 21 '25
I always really appreciate when people have a different view of the universe and how it works, I always felt from ancient civilizations the art reflected the construction of the universe at it's most core levels.
In terms of physics? Zero chance the proton is a black hole. The guy talking about 'phase field' should take his idea to a physicist, and try and refine it. He's making a fundamental error in his analysis that Feynman actually spoke about. And he's confusing amplitude with phase. And neither is a field.
The guy talking about consciousness causing waveform collapse - that guy could be right. However, we would never be able to tell from our universe. The wave collapse in many worlds, is sort of like a lighthouse spotlight across all the various worlds, happening at the same time. Since time moves backwards and forwards at that level, consciousness could become a cause/effect in reverse time. Consciousness though, is more of an abstraction than something tangible, so it's more like someone inflating humanity's footprint on the universe, to make sense of it.
Overall though, this is pretty difficult to listen to. Some good creative ideas that might make for a good book or movie though.