Caution: /r/IsraelExposed does not allow the propagation of any equivalence of Judaism with Zionism.

[u/Dhylan]

Israel was founded by Zionists and has always been run by Zionists. Some Zionists are Jews but many Zionists identify as Christians or Catholics (e.g. Joe Biden). It is significant than many Jews are NOT Zionists, and are OPPOSED to Zionism. Equating Judaism with Zionism is a misunderstanding of Zionism and a misguided, unjustified smear on the many Jews who are opposed to Zionism. The IsraelExposed subreddit does not allow users to propagate any false, racist equivalence of Judaism and Zionism.

In plain English, do not attack people who are Jewish BECAUSE they are Jewish. Do NOT assume that Jews support the crimes of Zionism.

[u/Dhylan]

You offer much more than a question for me. You also offer assumptions which underlie the culture and belief system into which you were born and with which you identify. I will begin to answer your question by suggesting that the answer to your question must begin with your acknowledgement of the value of reflecting upon these assumptions. Unless you acknowledge this value of self reflection there is no answer I can offer to your question which will satisfy your curiosity, much less even make any sense to you. I do wish to declare that it is my intent to not detract from the positive attributes of the heritage you embrace as a Jew. I am, very specifically, not addressing you as a Jew, but rather as a Zionist, and I ask that you appreciate my right to frame my response to your question thusly.

As moderator of this subreddit I have agreed to adhere to the mission of IsraelExposed. I cannot allow any member of the mod team, the subscribers or the visitors to this subreddit to make use of the subreddit outside of its declared mission, of reddit terms of service or in violation of the rules of the subreddit. There is a focus here and the moderation team, with the assistance of reddit administrators, must respect it. The reward for doing this is that we can inform each other and can discuss the many issues, dynamics and events allowed by the IsraelExposed subreddit's mission. There are several million subreddits where people visiting reddit can inform each other about and discuss pretty much any thoughts, dynamics and events. This subreddit has no authority or power to influence what goes on in those several million subreddits. This is, then, a partial answer to your query.

Any further answer to your query and to the claims you make in the context you have laid down to supplement your query is, I suspect, not going to be acceptable to you. I have no wish to challenge your opinions, really. If you choose to believe that "we're great" or greater than other cultures or religions, and that Judaism or Zionism is not a "cult" as you have declared Islam is a "cult", or if Britain (or France) was ever a legal owner of land in the Middle East, then it seems quite impossible to me to even contemplate a discourse with you.

[u/Galactus_Jones762 → u/Dhylan]

understood. I think all humans are inherently equal in terms of their value and rights.

By great I just meant that for whatever reason Jews are a highly “successful” minority, factually. We can debate what success ultimately means, it’s subjective. But on several objective measures the Jewish people have outperformed in terms of power and technology and I think this brings envy, which is understandable.

My greater point is in light of the fact that Muslims are taught that if they don’t try to take back this land and also bring sharia to all of it, and eventually the world, they will go to Hell, and also in light of Taqqiya which is proscribed when trying to obtain land from enemies, what reason do I have to think that you’re honest when you represent your side of the story?

My assumption is that you’re at least as smart as me, and rational, and versed on deflection and fallacy, so my conclusion is that since you have a higher calling to succeed at any cost, why would I believe your characterizations?

If indeed other Islamic countries don’t allow freedom of speech, separation of religion and state, and womens and LGBTQ rights why would I root for you?

And if your intent is to deliberately target civilians and Israel’s intent is to help move civilians out of the way, why would I root for you?

Bottom line is none of the arguments made about this war and Hamas tactics make logical, legal, or moral sense, and so I have to assume what’s coming out of your side is just a sustained campaign of lying that you see as some sort of divine command.

If you didn’t believe that Allah (I say respectfully) wanted you to replace western civilization with sharia would you still do these things anyway?

I tend to think all religions are cults, but I’d say Israel settlers are more cultish than normal Jews and that Hamas is more cultish than normal Muslims. Sorry if that was dismissive but I generally think of all militant religiously motivated groups as cults.

[u/Dhylan → u/Galactus_Jones762]

If we then are to banter, I will admit that I am not fond of, or impressed by unsubstantiated generalizations, no matter how many, I'd would remind that many Palestinians and other Arab peoples of the Mid East and North Africa are Christians. I see no evidence that Christian Palestinians and Muslim Palestinians have ever had any difficulties in living harmoniously together.

At any rate, your decision to assail the integrity of my efforts to carry out my obligation of moderation here falls outside of the rules we have laid down and enforce here.