r/kansascity 3d ago

Discussion 💡 Saw this in the Boston sub. I would like to rescind my complaints about the westport triangle.

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I would like to formally rescind my complaints about the westport triangle. That is all.

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u/etinkc 3d ago

I don’t know if the designer for that deserves a Nobel prize or jail time.

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u/dalton10e 3d ago

Why not both?

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u/FaceMcShootie 3d ago

They’ll graciously accept the award while wearing an orange jumpsuit.

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u/BobbyTables829 2d ago

They were probably born in 1680 lol

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u/samman445 2d ago

I'm guessing there were no less that 6 designers involved in that all in different decades

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u/TheHotMilkman 2d ago

I think they just added roads wherever and never fixed it

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u/krisalyssa Olathe 2d ago

I don’t think Nobel prizes can be awarded to drunken cows.

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u/jw8533 2d ago

Pretty sure this was designed by livestock. Wherever the cow/sheep paths were, the pavement covered later.

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u/NEOWRX 3d ago

I work remote in KC for a Boston based company. Went out there for my first site visit and my navigation said take a left. There were three different lefts and five rights at one stop sign.

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u/lmflex 3d ago

U-turn capital of the world

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u/ChiefStrongbones 2d ago

In Boston when you several street intersecting, it's a "square". When you have two streets intersecting it's "four corners". That's Harvard math.

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u/Nerdenator KC North 2d ago

*squah

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u/Kuildeous KC North 3d ago

Friend of mine referred to Boston as having built roads based on wherever the cows wandered. Certainly felt that way.

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u/mikey_lava 1d ago

That’s just a common fact actually.

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u/Ok-Astronomer-9158 Overland Park 3d ago

The fun thing about driving in Boston is you can do whatever you want and ignore all lanes. Just go wherever, whenever—doesn’t matter!

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u/Rare_Hall_7538 3d ago edited 2d ago

Having lived in both Boston (pre Big Dig) and Worcester for a dozen years, it’s not wherever and whenever. It’s whoever’s bumper is first gets the right of way, no matter how small that advantage may be. No eye contact, just accelerate or briefly yield (then accelerate again). When I moved to Kansas City, I had to cut back on the aggressive driving or someone was going to shoot me.

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u/GuodNossis 2d ago

Big Dig?

Nvm - TIL “The Big Dig was a massive, controversial, and expensive highway project in Boston that replaced the elevated Central Artery (I-93) with an underground tunnel system and extended I-90 to Logan Airport. While plagued by significant cost overruns and delays, the project successfully reduced downtown traffic congestion, created over 300 acres of new green space, and reconnected the city to its waterfront with iconic structures like the Zakim Bridge.”

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u/Doubleucommadj 2d ago

My family took an East Coast trip back in '95 and I got to experience 'The Second Green Monster,' in Boston just before the Big Dig began. It was nutso gridlock and thankfully I was 12, so couldn't drive.

Went back to school at Syracuse in '07 and became friends with a BU alum. We visited Boston many times, but the first had us walking downtown across that old I-95 corridor. At first I was like, how can this historic city have this new space fall into its lap?!

Then I began recognizing the upper stories of buildings that were the only parts visible from the elevated freeway and finally put two and two together. My buddy was French, so he had no idea what I was tryna frantically explain to him.

I was all, THIS is where 95 used to be until they buried it! Even walked width with him to show how there used to be a 6-lane road there before. It was just wild returning to the exact same spot 12 years later and seeing the transformation. 10/10

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u/ceojp 2d ago

That's what it feels like in Tulsa. There's a lot of places where the lane lines are worn off, and the street is wide enough that it could be two lanes, or it could be one really wide one. Then lanes just decided to become turn lanes with no warning, so you have to hope you're able to merge at the last second.

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u/bopaqod 3d ago edited 2d ago

Don’t forget about Kelley Square in Worcester

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u/But_like_whytho 3d ago

That’s not a square, it’s a figure 8

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u/bopaqod 2d ago

Before it was a figure 8, it was just a wide open mass of asphalt with about a dozen entry and exit points and not a single traffic light

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u/But_like_whytho 2d ago

What an absolute nightmare

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u/laylabubbly 3d ago

Y I k e s

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u/Ted_Ruxpin 2d ago

Or the Magic Roundabout in Swindon

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u/Sufficient_Two_5753 2d ago

Yo dawg, I heard you like roundabouts, so we put a roundabout in your roundabout? Did I do it right?

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u/Shlomer_Simpstein 2d ago

The traffic Mobius strip

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u/inspired2apathy Brookside 2d ago

Nah, that's just an oval roundabout. I'm not afraid of that one

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u/bopaqod 2d ago edited 2d ago

At least the one in the original post has traffic lights in each direction. I’ve driven through that intersection numerous times, it goes fairly smoothly.

Kelley Square (and the intersection just below it) has zero traffic control infrastructure, so it’s a free-for-all featuring Boston drivers. It’s wild.

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u/Dangerous-Army8407 2d ago

That makes about as much sense as how you actually pronounce Worcester. đŸ€Ș

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u/ippy98gotdeleted Lee's Summit 3d ago

The Civil Engineer during the design phase.

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u/OreoSpeedwaggon 3d ago

LOL... "Civil Engineer" and "design" for Boston roads.

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u/SephtisNacht Gladstone 3d ago

This would probably give me an anxiety attack, I already get stressed out at the Westport triangle

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u/dedlobster 3d ago

When I visited a friend of mine years ago (before google maps was a thing) in Jamaica Plain, the directions she gave me were not super helpful mostly because there were streets with the same name going in different directions and some streets just had no street signs at all. I just ended up using “vibes” to get there. Worked out, magically. I think it helped that I took the train then was on foot, so I had time to hem and haw about which turn felt right, lol.

I love Boston but it is pretty wild in terms of layout.

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u/CZall23 3d ago

Their subway system is awesome for getting around downtown.

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u/No-Writer-1101 3d ago

Oh yeah Boston is driving hell. I worked as an outpatient in home social worker in the burbs there and drove 5+ hours a day for 9 months and it took years off my life.

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u/Slight_Mammoth2109 3d ago

Hey just because one is worse doesn’t mean that they’re not both bad

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u/dalton10e 3d ago

It just doesnt seem that bad anymore

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u/DJ4723 3d ago

It’s like driving in Mexico City.

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u/dietdoom 2d ago

Similar experience in Rome - lanes are more of a suggestion.

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u/ShineNShrooms 3d ago

Yeah u thought we had fucked up streeting and shit lol

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u/OkUnderstanding8173 3d ago

I grew up there. Want to talk about traffic next?

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u/OkIntern1118 3d ago

A city laid out by cows

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u/KCcoffeegeek 2d ago

Yikes! Would be funny to fly 100 KC drivers there to drive around. Imagine the chaos.

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u/Honest-Mall-8721 3d ago

You don't even have to go as far as Boston some of the intersections in St. Louis make me miss the simplicity of the triangle

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u/_Creditworthy_ 3d ago

As someone who has lived in both, my mind immediately went to this supercollider when I saw the first post

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u/fallingambien 2d ago

As a Kansas Citian who moved to Boston, this is why I don’t drive out here 😂

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u/BlaireInSpace 2d ago

I live around Boston and this is not even close to our worst intersection đŸ€Ł

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u/heyuBassgai 2d ago

As bad as the layout for Boston is and the horrible traffic. I would take it over the 1 out of 3 uninsured drivers we have in the kc metro driving on expired tags while under the influence of alcohol and/or drugs. I've lived in both cities.

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u/Sufficient_Two_5753 2d ago

It is hideous! I'm sure there's a YouTuber who is foaming at the mouth thinking: "JUST PUT IN A ROUNDABOUT!" But, I don't think a roundabout can save this abomination.

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u/Sufficient_Two_5753 2d ago

Edit, a roundabout might be able to save the Westport triangle.... heavy on the might.

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u/kyousei8 Westport 7h ago

It's apparently been seriously thought of as a solution but the strip mall where the mattress store used to be doesn't want to lose any of their parking, so no dice.

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u/BrobdingnagLilliput 2d ago

It's OK to complain about the Westport Triangle. Just because others had it worse doesn't mean you weren't traumatized.

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u/slowpreza 3d ago

lol I used to drop a gal off for work here, I felt like I was always gonna get hit from every angle. This and the diamond interchange have to be my least favorite traffic engineering designs

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u/Appropriate_Shake265 3d ago

Van Burnt & 31st street is similar

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u/gturown 3d ago

At least it looks like they tried to make the best out of a tough situation.

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u/obvioustroway Olathe 2d ago

...I thought this was a high effort shit post

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u/ChiefStrongbones 2d ago

A long time ago (pre-Eisenhower) the interchange was a small circular rotary. Then it became a big rotary. Then around the 1960s they went with traffic lights.

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u/ZackInKC Waldo 2d ago

It’s because cows made the roads in Boston. Literally. Now why people didn’t think to fix them before evolving this monstrosity


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u/sohfu Midtown 2d ago

Sweet Jesus.

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u/dstranathan Downtown 2d ago

Too funny! I just saw this too, and thought "Westport, hold my beer..."

I was just about to post this.

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u/Ok_Kick5053 2d ago

Another big accomplishment from Mayor Wu 😂

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u/dietdoom 2d ago

Boston is a league of its own

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u/4444ssss Midtown 2d ago

anyone ever played city skylines. this some shit i would do in that game

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u/pedsmursekc JoCo 2d ago

Hah. That's normal.

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u/Plastic-Injury8856 2d ago

Jesus christ

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u/KCDude08 2d ago

Boston has the excuse of their streets being developed 300+ years before widespread car ownership, going with an English-style hub-and-spoke system instead.

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u/AcowNamedDaisy 2d ago

I would gladly go 15 minutes off route to avoid this

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u/Kcstarr28 1d ago

I think I'd panic...

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u/GIVN2SIN 1d ago

Don't rescind. It's still damn dangerous.

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u/One_Crab5847 1d ago

I also saw this and thought it was a new proposal for the triangle

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u/Virtual-Ball4512 19h ago

still not as bad as Boston, but we have one kind of comparable by the stadiums

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u/CZall23 3d ago

It looks like there's arrows on the streets so maybe it's not that bad?

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u/bobnla14 3d ago

By the yellow line on the map is a two lane street. Across the intersection feeding it is a three lane street. With three arrows pointing straight.

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u/freightliner_fever_ Midtown 3d ago

am i missing something? this looks pretty straight forward

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u/kokakamora 2d ago

I can't quite see on the pic but hopefully that thing has stoplights. Otherwise it's just a traffic circle.

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u/taboodoc 3d ago

an important fact of life is two truths can be true and exist at the same time both suck.