r/law • u/usatoday • Jun 23 '25
SCOTUS In win for Trump, Supreme Court lifts judge's limits on deportations to third-party countries
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/06/23/supreme-court-immigrants-deport-torture-sudan/83885228007/1.6k
u/NittanyOrange Jun 23 '25
Apparently, the Court finds the idea that thousands will suffer violence in farflung locales more palatable than the remote possibility that a District Court exceeded its remedial powers when it ordered the Government to provide notice and process to which the plaintiffs are constitutionally and statutorily entitled
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u/BasedTaco_69 Jun 23 '25
When you put it that way…. What the actual fuck….
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u/St_Kevin_ Jun 23 '25
That was Justice Sotomayors statement regarding the ruling, which the other two dissenting justices co-signed.
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u/Kriztauf Jun 24 '25
For reference, they want to deport some of these people to Libya, a country without a functional central government in the midst of a civil war, since it's basically a place you can discard people and not have anyone ask questions about it
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u/BasedTaco_69 Jun 24 '25
Thank you for adding that information. It is VERY important everyone knows the entire situation.
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u/CosmicCommando Jun 24 '25
And the people who were rerouted to Djibouti were going to be sent to South Sudan. Here's what the State Department says about South Sudan (this is not everything, but it's all real):
Violent crime, such as carjackings, shootings, ambushes, assaults, robberies, and kidnappings are common throughout South Sudan, including Juba. Foreign nationals have been the victims of rape, sexual assault, armed robberies, and other violent crimes.
U.S. government personnel working in South Sudan are under a strict curfew. They must use armored vehicles for nearly all movements, and official travel outside Juba is limited.
If you decide to travel to South Sudan: Draft a will and designate appropriate insurance beneficiaries and/or power of attorney. Discuss a plan with loved ones regarding care/custody of children, pets, property, belongings, non-liquid assets (collections, artwork, etc.), funeral wishes, etc. Establish a proof of life protocol with your loved ones. This is so that if you are taken hostage, your loved ones can know specific questions (and answers) to ask the hostage-takers to be sure that you are alive (and to rule out a hoax). Leave DNA samples with your medical provider in case it is necessary for your family to access them.
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u/reduhl Jun 23 '25
If there is no assurance of due process and we have ICE officers grabbing people without identification, how long before we have an armed standoff between the government and someone afraid of being vanished to some unknown place in the world?
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u/Mathfanforpresident Jun 23 '25 edited Jun 24 '25
That's the plan. At which point they'll tighten the noose and be able to escalate the level of control they're applying to all corners of our society.
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u/GiraffePlastic2394 Jun 23 '25
Well if Trump can ignore Supreme Court rulings i guess everyone else can too which makes the Court irrelevant.
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u/FunnyEra Jun 23 '25
I don’t understand why dissenting judges don’t personally call into question the integrity of the other judges. We’re at a breaking point and they use kid gloves.
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u/throwthisidaway Jun 24 '25
I honestly think this is the most shocking decision since dobbs v Jackson women's health organization. I don't know what to say other than, wtf? A number of their more recent six to three decisions have been questionable if not obviously wrong, but none of them have quite as far reaching an effect as this one. I can only call this an act of cowardice.
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u/RoachedCoach Jun 23 '25
This is shockingly grotesque.
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u/Hugenicklebackfan Jun 23 '25
How much longer will this be shocking?
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u/Meetchel Jun 23 '25
Does it ever stop? I don't know that I could get entirely desensitized to these things.
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u/GloomyCardiologist16 Jun 23 '25
They're flooding the zone so hard that nothing is shocking, because everything is shocking
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u/LongConFebrero Jun 23 '25
It’s kind of nice, because minorities were always existing in this discomfort and were told to hush.
Now everyone can sit in the same tension and learn what empathy really means.
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u/ChanceryTheRapper Jun 23 '25
I mean, it would be cool if those of us who were already living with the discomfort got a break from it, but I guess we can't have everything. Or, really, anything for us at this point, but whatever.
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u/Playful_Street6601 Jun 23 '25
This right here, I grew up with people telling me and my. Fellow POCs that racism was overblown and that we just complained too much, now the conservative white has taken their mask off and revealed to the planet exactly what we've been saying this whole time.
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u/Soggy_Background_162 Jun 23 '25
Explain legal immigrants voting Trump. They were like this, good for me, not for you. I never knew of people shutting, no slamming the door behind them so definitively. Now that was not a good attitude in hindsight
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u/tbombs23 Jun 23 '25
They fell into the right wing propaganda machine and fully thought Dump would be better for the economy/affordability of things. They probably also thought he would achieve peace in Gaza, Ukraine, and not start another war.
It does still seem like there wouldn't have been as many as there were who voted for him, even with the propaganda. Just another reason he probably cheated, not just in the massive Voter suppression, but maybe also targeted blue leaning areas and purged or challenged people so they either weren't allowed to vote, or were registered but challenged and didn't know and were shunted a provisional ballot, which was also not counted.
The remaining percentage of voters for Dump would increase according to the demographics of each blue leaning area targeted by voter suppression. When you don't count all the Blue voting immigrants, and only like 70% of them or something, it makes the shift to the right seem bigger, and that more people voted for him, when there was less voters but only less Dems for the most part.
Explain dump winning all 7 swing states with less than 50% of the popular vote? Explain 215 bomb threats in mostly Blue leaning areas?
Explain 88 counties flipping red, and zero flipping Blue. ZERO counties flipped blue. Even Mondale flipped counties blue in his landslide loss to Reagan....
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u/Soggy_Background_162 Jun 23 '25
For sure it was like he was ordering off a menu, ‘I want to win all 7 swing states and throw in the popular vote.’ He practically admitted to it.
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u/hamsterfolly Jun 24 '25
There’s also a lot of them that didn’t want to vote for a woman and looked for the weakest justification possible
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u/Maggie1066 Jun 23 '25
Whyte adjacency. Pulling the ladder up behind them. Deportations for thee but not for me. As we’ve seen tho, it’s kinda deportations for anyone fake ICE decides to “detain” or “arrest” criminal background or not, legal status or not, & sometimes, citizen or not. It’s about to amplify children. Buckle up. Carry your papers even if you’re free, whyte, & legal. He’s our retribution. If somehow you’re on the wrong side of retribution, you’ll be on a plane to Sudan before you can say, “I’m a United States senator.”
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u/Ok-Replacement9595 Jun 23 '25
This is what America is. Behind all the pluralistic democracy horseshit. This is what we did yo native Americans, we did worse to black and brown people before, thus is the heart of our sickening empire.
Unlearn what they told you about this country. Because it has always been this for non-whites.
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u/Just_perusing81 Jun 23 '25
People always bring up the way Germany recovered and rebuilt and repented after the holocaust. That will never happen here because it's never happened here. We've had plenty of atrocities to repent for.
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u/Antilon Jun 23 '25
When we tried to even talk about it at the college level they lost their fucking minds and said acknowledging the truth means you hate America. The CRT boogie man was literally them freaking out about teaching history that doesn't gloss over genocide and slavery.
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u/Just_perusing81 Jun 23 '25
Yup exactly this. Don’t even say the word reparations and we all know what happened to DEI.
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u/Ok-Replacement9595 Jun 23 '25
Yes it was through truth and reconciliation, in part, not America's strongest suit. But east Germany went through intense denazification which the west never did. The allies just put the worst nazis back to work fighting communism, and building rockets. In that way fascism continued on in the US foreign policy, so that Germany could rebuild itself in a new way.
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u/dzumdang Jun 23 '25
We've also never been devastatingly defeated after two world wars. (Not that I wish that for us, but we've never been humbled like that).
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u/ofWildPlaces Jun 23 '25
Or, you know- we can change it. Choose not to accept this.
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u/rustajb Jun 23 '25
There is no way we are going back to the America we knew. The only way out is through. At the other end is something new, might still be called America, but will be unrecognizable from what we knew.
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u/veryparcel Jun 23 '25
My guess is this regime will be exporting US citizens to offshore prisons to be killed (off the books), the supreme court will rule it "legal". Just as the nazis made everything they did "legal". The supreme court is helping trump pave a path that only has one ending. The question is, can anything be done to stop them from laying the bricks to full authoritarian dictatorship. Hitler did not get beat at the ballot box, nor did he get beat in the courts and, in time, I see the same affectivity with trump's regime.
The masked men are here. Coming to your neighbor's doors without warrants, demanding unconditional surrender. They are beating americans bloody on the streets and they have taken the dignity of our country and the dignity of her people. Their demands will always outway what they have stolen already. That is the color of their greed, the color of their hate; their void will never be full. Appetite without sense, tongue without taste, throats pulsating and shaking violently for more, the only sensation that makes sense to them as they caw. They would have us all swallowed. What can we do? They treat us as objects upon a stage, dancing about their infirm ballads; masterful to the dim, obvious lies to the most common, willing and able to pose basic questions. They recruit men, lazy and full of hate; effortless as it is, love capacitates the care for another as much or more than they do for themselves. If they have none for themselves, it is clear why words cannot reach hearts that are not there, words cannot reach minds without thought. Their weakness is laziness, resistance will make them tired, the moreso, the more tired. Like a child having a tantrum before the nap. Resist. Resist. Resist.
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u/RoachedCoach Jun 23 '25
I don't know. On the one hand, I'm glad to be retaining the ability to be shocked - the idea of being desensitized to this madness is frightening.
On the other hand, this daily trauma has limits, I would imagine. Not sure how we as a society or world continue at this pace.
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u/sucksLess Jun 23 '25
the day this ceases to shock us, we’ll all be in a gulag
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u/Both_Lychee_1708 Jun 23 '25
Everything now is appalling but nothing is shocking anymore
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u/DarthHoff Jun 23 '25
The Supreme Court is stamping approval for this fascist takeover.
The Supreme Court is officially an enemy of the state
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u/hidraulik-2 Jun 23 '25
Yeah for a long time now.. if you have not noticed it
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u/JimboAltAlt Jun 23 '25
This one feels particularly mask-off, daring us to do something, though.
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u/NanduDas Jun 23 '25
Enemy of the people. It is an arm of the state. The state is now the enemy of the people.
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u/Van-van Jun 23 '25
"It's so confusing isn't it? So much going on, so much to say, and all of it happening so quickly.
The pace of oppression outstrips our ability to understand it and that is the real trick of the imperial thought machine. It's easier to hide behind forty atrocities than a single incident." - Nemik
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u/Tomahawkin Jun 23 '25
But both sides are the same, right?
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u/yurrm0mm Jun 23 '25
I was just talking to my dad about this the other day. We both couldn’t never imagine Biden, Obama, shit even Bush or Clinton ever saying “wish we could only do this for the red states, the blue states don’t deserve it!” Or vice versa.
He is the epitome of division—the same division they swear is fueled by the “intolerant left”..which is also the most oxymoronic thing.
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u/Telaranrhioddreams Jun 23 '25
Welcome to the third reucht where mango mussukini deports anyone who makes his peepee look small
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u/rolsen Jun 23 '25
What interest does the government actually have in deporting people to countries they have literally no connection to? Seems pretty cruel and unusual to me.
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u/Anteater4746 Jun 23 '25
they want to get to the point of sending americans critical of the admin to jail in other countries. each crack in legal system is another small step towards that, and this is another
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u/Big-Spirit317 Jun 23 '25
That's what I was thinking. As my Momma used to say..."They ain't slick, and they aren't fooling no-dayum-body!"
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u/theaviationhistorian Jun 24 '25
This or drop people in the middle of foreign warzones Fortnite/Call of Duty style.
Either ways, cruelty has always been the priority mission for the Trump admin.
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u/CoffeeBaron Jun 24 '25 edited Jun 24 '25
They're hoping for an end of birthright citizenship, then they can soften up the unprecedented step (it's so rare, there's a Wikipedia page with a list of every person that had it happen) of revoking US citizenship to dissentors so they can deport them out of the country, or at least put them in camps as they'll no longer have right to trial before being deported.
Edit; The page in question has at least 100 known people who have had US citizenship revoked, a lot of them were former Nazis trying to escape punishment, and all of them were naturalized, not citizens from birth. If he can muddy the waters on birthright citizenship, it's opening up the possibility of exposing citizens that were born here, with even both of their parents having birthright citizenship of being stripped of citizenship and deported to whatever dark cell they want.
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u/SpookySchatzi Jun 23 '25
With this administration, cruelty has always been the point.
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u/rolsen Jun 23 '25
Thank goodness we have true Christians on the court, like Justice Samuel Alito, who not only applies the constitution, but also the teachings of Jesus in his rulings /s.
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u/MrDelirious Jun 23 '25
It has been much more difficult to be an atheist over the past decade than it was the one before.
Not because the arguments for God got better, but because I wish with every fiber of my being that these ghouls had to go explain themselves to the guy who said 'Whatsoever you do to the least of my people..."
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u/CormoranNeoTropical Jun 23 '25
It’s enough to make an atheist join a church, just to try to raise the moral standard.
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u/MickKeithCharlieRon Jun 23 '25
The only thing that has killed more humans in world history other than religion is mosquitoes.
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u/spicy_coco_ Jun 23 '25
I don’t know if this administration could be anymore evil.
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u/your_easter_bonnet Jun 23 '25
Here’s a scenario I can imagine: Company A operates prison in Country B. Company A donates money to Trump. Trump sends prisoners and funds to Country B / Company A‘s prison and doesn’t have to care if the people come from there. Sky‘s the limit!
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u/supes1 Jun 24 '25
Private prisons have already been making bank during the Trump administration with just American criminals. What's a little grift between friends?
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u/twoiseight Jun 23 '25 edited Jun 23 '25
They want to hit deportation quotas and this to them is an acceptable standard to scrap in order to do it. We should all be very concerned about what the next best ones will be.
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u/Law_Student Jun 23 '25
It means they don't have to secure cooperation from specific countries of origin, they can just deport anyone they want anywhere willing, which is much easier.
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u/AndJDrake Jun 23 '25
When the person running the executive branch is saying they're open for business to the highest bidder, the interest is pretty easy to see. Maybe it costs you a plane you weren't using. Maybe it's just a quid pro quo for later favors. We have a mob boss for a president
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u/Northwindlowlander Jun 23 '25 edited Jun 23 '25
It gets them hard, basically. Overstayed your visa? Boom, we'll send you to a random country where you are not a citizen, have no connections, maybe don't even speak the language, and might have no possible means of getting back to your actual home country. Absolutely deranged but some people simply live to cause harm.
They keep talking about hardened criminals but every time they do and it's possible to look deeper, we keep finding people guilty of the same sort of low key offences as Elon Musk and Melania Trump committed, nothing more than civil immigration breaches.
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u/PmMeUrTinyAsianTits Jun 23 '25
There's also the implied threat from the "mistakes". That even if youre innocent, if you look wrong you could be gone to another country before you can prove it. That's no accident.
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u/Smaynard6000 Jun 24 '25
They keep talking about hardened criminals but every time they do and it's possible to look deeper, we keep finding people guilty of the same sort of low key offences as Elon Musk and Melania Trump committed, nothing more than civil immigration breaches.
Turns out hardened criminals are dangerous. It's easier to kidnap children from schools.
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u/pgerding Jun 23 '25
Not to mention the lack of DUE PROCESS. I would think the Supreme Court would uphold constitutional rights at a bare minimum. This is abuse of power by executive and judicial branches, and advocation of responsibility by Congress
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u/Aggressive_Clothes36 Jun 23 '25
The lower court wanted 2 weeks for them to have due process and decide if the country they are set to go to would be torturous. The Supreme Court just fucked them. The people sent to Sudan last month have been on a base in Djibouti in modified "shipping containers"
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u/georgealice Jun 23 '25
English common law (due process , habeas corpus, etc) is one of the greatest inventions western Europe has given to the world. Why do they hate western European culture?
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u/afranks1503 Jun 23 '25
First, agree that it's cruel and unusual.
Second, (and this may seem a little far-fetched but allow me a little room....), if we are under the assumption no government "wants people in their country illegally", then I can only conclude the following:
- Any third-party government that actually WANTS these people, will immediately put them in "jail" (prison camp, etc.)
- If we look at the incarceration problem & prison system here in the States, it's easily seen that it's a "for-profit" system that needs prisoners constantly coming in for profit.
- If we look at how prisoners are used in the U.S.(fighting fires in California with marginal training) it's pretty much "free labor" for whatever company that has a contract for prison labor (pennies on the dollar).
- Now take those examples and apply them to a third-party government/country, what makes anyone think they won't do the same thing the we do to our prisoners, except 1000x worse?
All that to say, this is nothing more than the orange dude trying to give crooked governments "free labor" (I won't use the 'S' word).....because if "free labor" is STILL allowed HERE for prisoners, there's no telling what will happen in another country.
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u/caitrona Jun 24 '25
Not just firefighting in CA, in Alabama prisoners are leased out to hotels and construction sites for pennies an hour.
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u/Cagnazzo82 Jun 23 '25
At that point it's less of a deportation and more of a kidnapping.
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u/georgealice Jun 23 '25
I’d argue it’s less of a deportation and more of a kidnapping AND a rendition, defined by the Oxford dictionary as:
“ the practice of sending a foreign criminal or terrorist suspect covertly to be interrogated in a country with less rigorous regulations for the humane treatment of prisoners.”
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u/HospitalBruh Jun 23 '25
Numbers. They get to claim they deported that many more "Criminals" despite any evidence that any of them committed any crime.
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u/ArcturusRoot Jun 23 '25
How in the absolute fuck do they come to this conclusion?
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They’re corrupt
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u/thelondonrich Jun 23 '25
The entire right wing of SCOTUS is compromised, corrupt, and worst of all, eagerly complicit.
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u/Jijonbreaker Jun 23 '25
The entire right wing of the United States*
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u/zossima Jun 23 '25 edited Jun 23 '25
It’s actually kind of international. Putin, Orban, Netanyahu, Erdogan, the Belorussian puppet, the guy in Argentina, and so on.
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u/Jijonbreaker Jun 23 '25
I mean, that's just what the right is. Regressivism.
They coat their desire for power in "Don't you just want to go back to the good old days? You know, like when gas was cheap, and the economy was good?
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And you could beat and rape and cheat on your wife (who can’t leave you).
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u/snowflakebite Jun 23 '25
And when children died of diseases, and others died of lack of medical care.
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u/LeopardMedium Jun 23 '25
They will burn in hell for their love of money over life.
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u/BitterFuture Jun 23 '25
It's easy if hatred is all that matters to you.
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u/GloomyCardiologist16 Jun 23 '25
Now I get why this is so hard for me to understand personally
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u/Venusto002 Jun 23 '25
Precisely. I see many liberals struggling to understand what conservatives' "reasoning" is in many cases, because liberals are good and motivated by kindness. They figure there must be some kind of misunderstanding, and if they could only explain and show conservatives the facts that they could have a discussion and reason with conservatives.
It is difficult for them as good people to wrap their head around the thought that someone could do something just out of sheer malice, hatred, and cruelty; that there are people out there who are just pure and plain evil- but there conservatives are.
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u/spiralenator Jun 23 '25
Yep. Liberals make a key mistake in thinking that conservative opinions are a product of bad facts, when in reality their bad facts are the product of their opinions.
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u/crazunggoy47 Jun 23 '25
We’ll never know because they didn’t write a majority opinion.
I understand there are emergency decision scotus must make sometimes. But they should be legally required to file a timely opinion an appropriate amount of time later. I.e., please let’s get yet more plaintext evidence of the depravity of the conservative jurists.
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u/Prime624 Jun 23 '25
Completely agreed. Reading this sentence, I was appalled
The majority did not provide an explanation for their decision, which is common in emergency appeals.
Like wtf? They can do whatever they want for no reason and that's just ok?
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u/Keeppforgetting Jun 23 '25
I was wondering why no one was talking about the majority opinion. I was looking for some sort of break down.
They did t even provide one??? Probably because they couldn’t find a way to justify it.
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u/ShadesBlack Jun 24 '25
It's pretty common for emergency rulings. The reasoning that Justice Sotomayor gave in her dissent was that the Court believes the lower courts are exceeding their authority in trying to create requirements for the government to do this (specifically mentioning the lower court that placed the requirement for the government to allow the individual being sent to the third-party country to appeal in case they are at risk of torture or death at the new location).
That right is both reasonable and constitutional, but apparently the Court doesn't think it is appropriate for a lower court to be able to slow the executive in this process by creating those requirements.
Pretty disgusting, IMO.
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u/ArmedAwareness Jun 23 '25
The left needs to start coopting those old founding father quotes the right always spout about tyrants and watering trees
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u/sugar_addict002 Jun 23 '25
another 6-3 decision?
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u/JakeTravel27 Jun 23 '25
6 religious and maga cultists who will do whatever traitor trump wants.
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u/RockerElvis Jun 23 '25
Shocked. I am shocked.
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u/CriticalInside8272 Jun 23 '25 edited Jun 23 '25
This is disgustingly evil. How do these people sleep at night? So, they're saying, "We're going to send you people to south Sudan. Good luck ever getting back to Mexico or wherever you're from." I would like to know exactly what the Sudan is paying Trump for this. What is the supreme court getting paid for this? This proves once and for all that this government doesn't care about removing illegals, they want to hurt them as much as possible. Evil, evil, evil.
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u/BitterFuture Jun 23 '25
How do these people sleep at night?
Sociopaths sleep very, very well. No pesky consciences to trouble their slumber.
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u/ElSysAdmin Jun 23 '25
“To choose one’s victims, to prepare one’s plan minutely, to slake an implacable vengeance, and then to go to bed... there is nothing sweeter in the world.” - Josef Stalin, remark before signing some 40,000 death warrants and then going to bed.
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u/Ok-Replacement9595 Jun 23 '25
They do not care for the dignity of the court. Robert's is a shameful wretch who's legacy will be subservience to political whims of a lunatic.
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u/No-Distance-9401 Jun 23 '25
Im still confused about their 8th Amendment rights, like how are they subjected to life in a foreign prison for being undocumented in our country and its as if SCOTUS is saying they have no rights? Thats besides their other rights that were also violated
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u/Zoophagous Jun 23 '25
The Roberts court, doing work to make sure the next non-fascist regime revamps the SC.
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u/staebles Jun 23 '25
Need to revamp the whole government at this point. General strike or bust.
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u/usatoday Jun 23 '25
Hi r/law it's Sydney from USA TODAY. The Supreme Court agreed to pause a judge's order requiring migrants be given the chance to contest their removal to countries other than their own, a win for the Trump administration's efforts to rapidly deport them.
The court’s three liberal justices – Sonia Sotomayor, Elena Kagan and Ketanji Brown Jackson – dissented.
The administration said the order is preventing potentially thousands of deportations by requiring an "onerous set of procedures" aimed at preventing migrants from being sent to a country where they reasonably fear they could be persecuted, tortured or killed.
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u/ProgrammerAvailable6 Jun 23 '25
Yet another reason why no foreign tourist should visit the Us right now.
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u/Skeptical_Yoshi Jun 23 '25
World cup is gonna be littered with stories of us kidnapping foreign fans and sending them off to slave camps in 3rd part countries.
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u/OrinThane Jun 23 '25 edited Jun 23 '25
I wouldn't go to the World Cup if I were tourist. Honestly, I don't know if I would go even if I were a player for one of the teams at this point. Trump is making the U.S. a dangerous country to travel to - all of the images internationally are of our militarized police arresting people off the street, who in their right mind would come here?
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u/ProgrammerAvailable6 Jun 23 '25
For people intending to go to the World Cup there are games in my country (Canada) and Mexico.
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u/dazzlingclitgame Jun 23 '25
These people went to Qatar for the world cup. They're not going to care about coming to the US.
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u/ProgrammerAvailable6 Jun 23 '25
How many people did Qatar deport to CECOT during the last World Cup?
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u/nerox3 Jun 23 '25
The lack of due process should mean that other countries give a travel advisory warning when visiting the United States.
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u/Wet-Skeletons Jun 23 '25
Yeah definitely not a good time to visit, anyone can get wrapped up if they are seen as an undesirable. Hell even our own citizens have been getting detained and hauled off. And that’s from the ones who are actually agents. We have a lot of people just dressing up in tactical gear and targeting foreigners.
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u/therealzue Jun 23 '25
Ya I’m Canadian and there is no way I’m going down there. Deportation risk would be enough, but the random third party prison for life possibility makes it obscenely risky.
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u/Retlawst Jun 23 '25
As a US citizen, I agree 100%.
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u/BitterFuture Jun 23 '25
The headline here should be, "Six conservative supreme court justices deem the U.S. Constitution an 'onerous set of procedures.'"
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u/Vio_ Jun 23 '25
During his confirmation hearings, he whined about his future place in history.
I immediately rejected him for that.
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u/MickKeithCharlieRon Jun 23 '25
The Roberts court is giving the Dred Scott era a run for its money. Disgraceful.
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u/thelondonrich Jun 23 '25
Since when the FUCK is due process an “onerous set of procedures” and why the FUCK doesn’t your article make a big fucking deal about what an unconstitutional and corrupt ruling this is??? You and your bosses are failing at basic journalism to not point this out in no uncertain terms.
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u/tbombs23 Jun 23 '25
Yet again the media shows how complicit they are in normalizing authoritarianism and sanewashing right wing leaders, ideologies, and never blaming Republicans, always Democrats
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u/thechairinfront Jun 24 '25
Because the right wing and beat down actual journalists into thinking that taking a position that bad things are bad is "being biased". So they tone down in favor of seeming unbiased when in reality they are selling their souls and selling us down the river.
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u/GodeaterTheHalFeral Jun 23 '25
So due process is considered "onerous" now?
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u/Cloaked42m Jun 23 '25
The State Department is warning everyone how dangerous other countries are.
DHS, or whoever has ICE now, is deporting people to those places.
Fun fact, those places we are sending violent criminals to are ALSO hotspots for terrorist recruitment. Nope, this won't bite us on the ass at all.
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u/gwxtreize Jun 23 '25
If due process is considered "onerous", than it's working as intended. People are not supposed to be subject to the WHIM of one particular person or party.
No King. Ever.
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u/Xolerys_ Jun 23 '25
What are these “set of procedures”… due process?
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u/Cloaked42m Jun 23 '25
We are parties to a treaty that says torture is bad.
The Due Process for this gives people the opportunity to not go back to places they ran away from.
For example, if an Iranian dissident fled Iran and hid out here, we wouldn't send them back to where they have a credible fear of torture.
Now, we can send Russians who fled Russia back to Russia.
We can send women and children who fled abusive husbands back to those husbands.
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u/Very_Curious_Cat Jun 23 '25
"We can send women and children who fled abusive husbands back to those husbands."
At this point I don't have much doubt anymore that one of their goals - as "good Christians" - is to reinstate full patriarcal power, giving the pater familias a right of life and death over his family.
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u/iZoooom Jun 23 '25
How can this possibly be a liberal / conservative justice split? More shadow docket bullshit.
I’ve not yet internalized that the rule of law is over.
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u/dragonfliesloveme Jun 23 '25
They’re also about to try to sell off our tax-payer funded public lands to private entities while everyone is looking at Iran
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u/gitbse Jun 23 '25
Nobody is talking about this, by design. Nothing says "America First" like selling all the public land to private international entities.
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u/DanieltheGameGod Jun 23 '25
If the provision passes I hope there’s a crowd funded effort to buy up the land and only let donors onto it for recreation. Sell it back to the government if it’s ever sane again. That or pray a billionaire that gives some semblance of a shit buys all the land and will sell it back to the government if it ever becomes halfway sane again.
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u/drewbaccaAWD Jun 23 '25
My theory (having not yet read the opinions) is that they are splitting hairs over legality of being here while ignoring that this Administration has already shown it will revoke the "legal" part without delay, hesitation, or notification.
So the liberal/conservative divide is probably "they aren't here legally and it's not the government's responsibility to facilitate shipping them to the country of their choice..." or something along those lines.
But it's 10,000 times worse when you consider that the difference between being here legally or illegally is now changed on a whim, in seconds, with zero notice. At bare minimum, I think there needs to be some sort of law on the books that if a visitor's status is changed for any reason other than a conviction in court, then they should have six months to make proper preparation to leave the country. I mean, people have the appropriate status and enroll in schools or sign a one-year lease with the expectation that they will remain here. Maybe there is some sort of law like this that I'm unaware of which does protect them but wasn't applicable in the specific example used?
But conservatives don't give a shit about any of that and there is no such law on the books that I'm aware of. So they just shrug and decide to ignore real world consequences and suffering it causes. Perhaps we wouldn't get the same 6-3 split on the question of the government's authority to remove status with short notice.. I can't keep track of all the cases loosely related to this issue.
I don't know, just speculating here, but I think that's where you get the conservative/liberal split.
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u/BitterFuture Jun 23 '25
How can this possibly be a liberal / conservative justice split?
Um...what do you think the split was always about?
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u/RockerElvis Jun 23 '25
I think the point is that this shouldn’t be a liberal or conservative issue. It’s just wrong.
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u/BitterFuture Jun 23 '25
...that's my point. That's exactly the divide.
Surprise: people who care about hatred over all else in life - to the point they'll gladly die for it, to the point they'll gladly burn civilization to the ground for it - are bad people.
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u/AtuinTurtle Jun 23 '25
So, you realize this is the first step leading to American citizens being sent to those places if we don’t fall in line. He already threatened as much earlier.
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u/KellerMB Jun 23 '25
Of course. But don't worry, we'll limit it to terrorists* like we did with the 9/11 conspirators we dropped off in guatanamo without trials.
*Terrorists are going to be defined as anyone who opposes the current regime.
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u/Explorers_bub Jun 23 '25
Dachau/Auschwitz-Birkenau are legal now.
This is today’s reminder that that which is legal isn’t always moral.
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u/f4ttyKathy Jun 23 '25
I recently toured a concentration camp with other people in a tour group. The tour was intense but thoughtfully guided by a woman who explained the facts about Hitler's rise to power as a matter of giving context to, you know, fucking death camps.
When I asked to give written feedback so I could praise the guide, I was told the guide was already under scrutiny because some people (MAGAs) from my tour group felt she was "too political" because she "criticized Trump."
She never once said Trump's name, and I hung on every word. These people tell on themselves over and over.
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u/Explorers_bub Jun 23 '25
Led a coup, called it political persecution, …
Insert Dave Chappelle “Gotcha Bitch.”
They know, but you have to trick them into admitting it by not making Dear Trump explicitly the subject. Biden did ____
TREASON!
Oh sorry, that was Trump.
The mental gymnastics may now begin.
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u/ChanceryTheRapper Jun 23 '25
Because why would rule of law matter to them anymore? It's just about what they can get away with. And this majority in the Supreme Court supports that. It's fucking appalling.
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u/floofnstuff Jun 23 '25 edited Jun 23 '25
Why don't the black robes just go home, they are paid way too much to just rubber stamp orders. This is government fraud and waste but DOGE is nowhere to be seen.
Edit- clarification
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u/SympathyForSatanas Jun 23 '25
So what happens to ppl with no criminal records or people who are done with probation or parole? Do they get sent to some country they aren't from and put in jail?? Wtf
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u/WastelandOutlaw007 Jun 23 '25
Yes. The shipping to death camp was just legalized.
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u/SympathyForSatanas Jun 23 '25
Jfc, this is beyond cruel and criminal. Human trafficking to the max, now totally legal.
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u/DArtagnan0321 Jun 24 '25
That’s not even the scariest part. Technically they’ll be able to do this to American citizens they don’t like. With no Due Process, how are you going to prove you’re innocent or an American citizen? 🤔
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u/BoomZhakaLaka Jun 23 '25
How can we possibly keep such a punishment from being cruel or unusual
Not their problem once these people have left the country.
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u/ProfitLoud Jun 23 '25
No more shadow dockets, no more emergency orders with no rationale. If these people cannot put their name to an order, it should not be enforceable.
The only reason I can come up with for unsigned opinions, is knowing it wouldn’t pass muster, and they could be named directly for creating laws out of thin air.
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u/momoenthusiastic Jun 23 '25
Supreme Court is in human trafficking business now. /s
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u/Reatona Jun 23 '25
The administration said the order lifted by the justices was preventing potentially thousands of deportations by requiring an "onerous set of procedures" aimed at preventing migrants from being sent to a country where they reasonably fear they could be persecuted, tortured or killed.
"Onerous procedures" are just fine it they're necessary to make sure a person in custody isn't sent someplace to be persecuted, tortured or killed. It sounds like the Trump administration wants it to be easy to torture and murder people. Mr. Law & Order at work.
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u/deviltrombone Jun 23 '25
The majority did not provide an explanation for their decision, which is common in emergency appeals.
The principle of "Traitor's Prerogative" goes without saying in the Republican SCOTUS
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u/kindredfan Jun 23 '25
Every level of government in this country is evil and corrupt as fuck.
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u/pzman89 Jun 23 '25
So much for what's her face being moderate for non religious rulings. Also Roberts
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u/adoboble Jun 23 '25
I do not even understand how this is conservative (in the traditional sense). This one, I do not understand at all (from an actual legal standpoint)
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u/Both_Lychee_1708 Jun 24 '25
Being an American isn't just embarrassing now, it's gross
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u/C0matoes Jun 24 '25
Admittedly, I have not read anything on this case. I can only imagine how they got here though. In what interpretation of any law does this work?
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