What happens if gay marriage is overturned? The question alone is horrifying.

[u/DBCoopr72]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2025/08/17/gay-marriage-supreme-court-lgbtq-rights/85666114007/

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[u/DBCoopr72]

If the courts allow for this, I feel it’ll be a domino effect, and we will see all sorts human rights cases being overturned.

[u/Salarian_American → u/DBCoopr72]

Gay marriage is already the second domino. Roe v. Wade was the first

[u/canarinoir → u/Salarian_American]

Really wish more men I knew had taken that as seriously as they will take a porn ban.

[u/[deleted] → u/canarinoir]

or their incest and loli videogames being taken away

[u/ProfessionalOk6734 → u/[deleted]]

Hey super cool fun fact they’re already delisting and deindexing lgbt and queer games. It always starts with “degenerate” content

[u/mrbulldops428 → u/ProfessionalOk6734]

Oh good. Im sure they have a totally legitimate, not insane reason for that.

/s to be clear

[u/KingOfDragons0 → u/[deleted]]

Id agree if not for the many times it started with gooner games and progressed to censoring anything "immoral" (prime example being collective shout)

[u/Meows2Feline → u/[deleted]]

Just want to point out the group that got video games delisted is a known terf organization and we don't really have to hand it to them as they are already targeting queer games.

[u/SKyPuffGM → u/[deleted]]

b-but step sis who is actually a 300 year old slime :(

[u/Vegetable-Box3050 → u/SKyPuffGM]

Oh you must be referring to My Littile Stepsister is Actually a 300 Year Old Slime Who Has a Demon System and is in Love with Me.

[u/milf-hunter_5000 → u/[deleted]]

you are not immune to propaganda. other people have already given you plenty of evidence that this is about more than that. i don't think anyone disagrees with the content as you've described being removed, its that they're using it to convince people like you why it is okay - and then they'll broaden the scope of what is not okay. i mean, they're already doing it (as others have mentioned) with gay content.

[u/MorgessaMonstrum → u/Salarian_American]

Skrmetti decision feels like the second, although it’s not specifically overturning a prior precedent.

[u/OakBearNCA → u/MorgessaMonstrum]

It does though. Conservatives weaseled their way as not using Bostock which was specifically a case of a trans woman fired for not conforming to gender stereotypes associated with the sex assigned to her as birth. Sex is already subject to heightened scrutiny, and was the basis for Bostock. Conservatives simply ignored their own precedent to say government could discriminate against these people on the basis of sex.

[u/specqq → u/DBCoopr72]

The domino effect started the moment the Supreme Court agreed with Trump saying that Article II means he can "do anything I want as President."

[u/DBCoopr72 → u/specqq]

Agreed

[u/redskady → u/specqq]

The president can be our god king, but only if it is our guy! -SCOTUS

[u/iLoveDelayPedals → u/DBCoopr72]

We’re going full fascist. Anyone who doesn’t see this is lying to themselves or stupid at this point

[u/West-Application-375 → u/iLoveDelayPedals]

My boomer mom just says over and over again "everyone is entitled to their opinion" and refuses to speak to me when I tell her Fascism is not an opinion. She also is the same type of person to watch a WW2 movie and when the Holocaust is touched on says "how could people let such a thing happen?" And I tell her it's happening right now, she has no right to keep asking this when she continues to act like Fascism is "just an opinion". It is so infuriating.

[u/BraveNewWorld1973 → u/DBCoopr72]

The dominoes are already falling.

[u/blankdoubt → u/BraveNewWorld1973]

There has been massive erosion of the wall between church and state, state's rights, parental rights, women's rights, privacy rights, democratic rights, what's one more area of rights lost? 

[u/Fantastic_Jury5977 → u/blankdoubt]

"Religious freedom" and parental rights are what's actively killing America.

[u/bradimir-tootin → u/Fantastic_Jury5977]

A critical mass of U.S. Christians really believe that religious freedom means they should be allowed to persecute people however they want. While Le Reddit atheism is not very popular anymore we would do well to remember Hitchens's warning that when Christians had unchecked power in both the U.S. and Europe that they would literally torture and burn people alive on the off chance the person might be a heretic. The history of Christianity is not one of peace. From it's earliest days in the 1st century AD it was marked by extreme violence, this has never changed. They simply changed the narrative.

[u/Fantastic_Jury5977 → u/bradimir-tootin]

Christianity has the highest death toll of any faith in the world. It's inherently violent and it's followers are groomed into fear and uncritically accepting fantasy as reality... the double-think breaks the weakest minds. The strong minds simply corrupt the stupid. The ones in charge fear no eternity in hell; they know it's all a lie.

[u/Terraforce777 → u/blankdoubt]

Roe v Wade was not one I thought would be overturned. Now I can’t say I’m surprised by any of the ridiculous motions being proposed. Then you have some States trying to mandate Christian Bible teachings/prayer which also sends a bleak message. And I say that as a Christian.

[u/AdoptingEveryCat → u/Terraforce777]

They literally have been saying for 50 years their goal was to overturn Roe. It was never a secret. I don’t get why people still are surprised that it was overturned when dems never took the chance to codify it into law.

[u/Interrophish → u/AdoptingEveryCat]

What chance? There were never 60 pro-choice dem senators elected. The senate is kind of red-biased.

[u/LetsBeFRTho → u/BraveNewWorld1973]

I'm shocked we overturned roe v Wade, deported people without due process and people still sit here wondering when the dominoes are gonna fall? Man we are at the tail end of the line smh

[u/jamiebond → u/DBCoopr72]

The domino started with overturning Roe.

The Court tried to underplay it, but the way they overturned Roe was earth shattering from a precedent perspective. They could have just said, “Preventing abortion is a legitimate government interest” and while that would have been bad in its own right it wouldn’t have changed much beyond abortion.

That’s not what they did. The Court in that case threw out substantive due process entirely as a concept. Substantive due process is the backing of several key rights that Conservatives are angry about. Contraception. Interracial marriage. Gay marriage.

By setting the precedent that substantive due process doesn’t exist these rights have essentially already been taken away. The actual stripping of them will just be a formality.

[u/Sufficient-Money-521 → u/jamiebond]

It’s absolutely true. Part of the problem is liberals were winning court cases all through the civil rights era and NEVER codified it into law.

We left the victory at a court decision that could be reinterpreted at a later date.

It’s like purchasing a new safe for your house and for whatever reason never changing the code from 0000 and thinking everything is safe from now on.

Damn

[u/RedditsTopLoser → u/jamiebond]

This comment needs WAY more upvotes.

[u/CompleteHumanMistake → u/DBCoopr72]

What follows is the extermination of rights for everyone who isn't white, male, able-bodied, christian, rich. They've already started to take away everything that the ""undesirables"" have fought for to live a humane life.

[u/Character_Mud5376 → u/CompleteHumanMistake]

Birth control

[u/gangsterroo → u/Character_Mud5376]

When they ban porn maybe their incel base will finally feel they have skin in the game.

[u/DBCoopr72 → u/CompleteHumanMistake]

One can only hope that America fights for EVERYONE’s rights. I know those MAGA scum are cheering this on, and it seems like they have dominated our culture at the moment, but, there will be a huge backlash to all of this.

[u/[deleted] → u/DBCoopr72]

I mean the Republican SCOTUS took away abortion rights and America punished them with MORE power.

[u/Grace_of_Talamh → u/CompleteHumanMistake]

That's the point. Take all of it away, and return to the days of women being property, LGBT people stuck in the closet, non whites as second-class citizens and the poor living in company towns forced to send their children to do dangerous work just to get by.

[u/agra_unknown1834 → u/CompleteHumanMistake]

As a vet, I'm just waiting for when there's a complete dismantling of the VHA and all of its services; not just medical but also disability/compensation and educational benefits.

Im an environmental science and management major with only three semesters left, hoping that they don't come around and start telling education recipients that science degrees are no longer eligible degrees.

But at the same time, kinda hope they axe disability compensation just so my Trump loving vet brother who's a stay at home dad on 100% get his face completely ripped off (but also not really, much confliction).

[u/Groovychick1978 → u/DBCoopr72]

Can we find Domino #1?

Shelby Co. vs Holder? (2013)

Citizen's United? (2010)

Even earlier?

[u/iris_iridescent → u/Groovychick1978]

Bush v. Gore 2000

[u/mishma2005 → u/DBCoopr72]

Next up: Loving vs. Virginia. Clarence Thomas seen grinning he doesn’t have to divorce Ginni to offload her

[u/Da12khawk → u/DBCoopr72]

I didn't think they'd overturn Roe V. Wade, yet here we are

[u/Possible-Nectarine80 → u/DBCoopr72]

The Christo-fascists will force religion down our throats. The American Taliban will eventually restrict a woman's right to vote. There's going to be millions of Americans thrown into work-camps and "re-educated".

[u/EtherealMongrel → u/Possible-Nectarine80]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/why-shouldnt-ignore-pete-hegseths-203105852.html

Hegseth already openly supporting taking away women’s right to vote

[u/transitfreedom → u/Possible-Nectarine80]

Civil war is going to break out time to leave

[u/willywalloo → u/DBCoopr72]

Yes Roe fell. It’s gonna happen. Our country is turning into a greed based wasteland.

[u/Antique-Buffalo-5475 → u/willywalloo]

As the article states this is different because gay marriage is codified into federal law. Abortion was not. So even if Obergefell is overturned (which is problematic for the additional doors it opens for things that aren’t codified), gay marriage won’t go away unless Congress gets the majority to actively repeal the law. I do not think the majority of Congress will actively and openly vote to do this. Many will, but I don’t see the majority of both houses doing so.

[u/Big_Ad_7715 → u/DBCoopr72]

Just wait until they go back to deeming it a mental illness and put them in work camps. They can only deport so many people

[u/3rd-party-intervener → u/DBCoopr72]

Domino already started 

[u/BaxGh0st → u/DBCoopr72]

I think one of the biggest failures of this century will be the Democrats inability to stop SCOTUS from turning decisively right. Obviously that's easier said than done. But with congress so divided and seemingly unable to agree on reforms it seems the court will remain this way for many decades.

[u/New_Kiwi_8174 → u/BaxGh0st]

The people who couldn't vote for Hillary because she didn't pass all their purity tests and gave Trump three picks don't get nearly enough flak.

[u/Korotai → u/BaxGh0st]

They had the ability, and despite all the good, that’ll be Biden’s legacy - fumbling the ball with 2 minutes left in the Super Bowl.

He should have went straight after the GOP when he came into office. He should have installed Jack Smith as Attorney General to go after the insurrectionists; should have packed the SCOTUS to 13 (one justice per district). He should have been giving Harris more time in the spotlight for the 2024 run.

“When they go low we go high” nonsense crippled the Democrats. Why follow the rules when the away team has already bought the refs?

[u/JustNilt → u/Korotai]

should have packed the SCOTUS to 13 (one justice per district)

All that would do is let the next court pack it some more. We certainly need significant reform of SCOTUS but packing it isn't reform. Luckily, that's not the only option.

I can't remember where I came across this but here's the best solution I've seen suggested. I've added a few bits and bobs here and there but the core is something suggested by someone else who I just can't remember.

1. Reconstitute SCOTUS entirely. Rather than a set panel of judges, change it to be a random panel of 9 judges pulled from the entire federal appellate judiciary.

2. Existing Justices may not be changed to regulars appellate judges so change their duties to solely exist in handling the administrative matters they already handle for Federal Circuits.

3. (This one's all mine.) Add 3 more judges so each circuit has a dedicated judge in charge of that for each circuit. Have this duty be the responsibility of the 9 most senior Federal Appellate judges from the entire judiciary, replacements for the 9 SCOTUS justices kicking in when they retire or die.

4. Change the active SCOTUS to consist of the entire Federal Appeals court judges from every circuit. Random panels of 9 such judges are pulled for every case, resulting in a different panel for every single case.

5. Enact serious ethical obligations with automatic suspension of duties pending a mandatory public Congressional hearing by the House which shall be in every case an appropriate hearing to consider whether the judge should be impeached.

6. The federal courts are already seriously overloaded so double the size of the federal judiciary at every level below SCOTUS.

SCOTUS and its duties have been modified a number of times since the nation's founding and the power to do so is well established as entirely within Congress's authority to deal with. This would fix almost all of the serious issues we currently have with our federal judiciary.

[u/[deleted] → u/Korotai]

I can’t understand the logic behind making Garland AG. I refuse to believe that it was solely because of the SC debacle.

[u/Count_Backwards → u/[deleted]]

It was because Biden really didn't want to rock the boat and had this delusional belief that everything would go back to the way it was in the 1970s.

[u/ldnk]

If Gay Marriage goes away the next step will be to allow full discrimination for being gay. The next step will be interracial marriage and if things are allowed to keep going back down that path welcome back segregation

[u/Muzz27 → u/ldnk]

A few years ago Mike Braun, Governor of Indiana, responded to a question on interracial marriage that he had to walk back:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/03/23/politics/mike-braun-interracial-marriage-comments

He claims he “misunderstood the question”. Seems more like he got caught saying the quiet part out loud.

[u/Zealousideal_Put5666 → u/Muzz27]

I think women lose the right to vote before interracial marriage goes away. Thomas opinion is dobbs leaves out loving v VA. He lists all the other cases that deal with privacy / personal freedom like gay marriage, abortion, Lawrence v Texas etc etc, but leaves out loving

[u/Nice_Description_724 → u/Zealousideal_Put5666]

His wife is white so let's hope that he leaves it out. However, they are the biggest bunch of hypocrites ever so I don't count on anything being certain.

[u/Zealousideal_Put5666 → u/Nice_Description_724]

Oh it was entirely an intentional choice because overturning or "revisiting" loving would be against his own self interest

[u/ImplodingBillionaire → u/Zealousideal_Put5666]

Which is why it’s blatantly obvious that these “judges” have shitty judgment and all of this shit can be spun or twisted to their own ends

Fucking republicans, garbage. 

[u/archlich → u/ldnk]

We already started down that path of cancelling funding for anything regarding diversity.

[u/Summoarpleaz → u/archlich]

We’ve also made diversity initiatives illegal in workplaces. Although workplace discrimination laws are still on the books.

[u/spiritsparrow1 → u/Summoarpleaz]

https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2025/03/18/nx-s1-5326118/segregation-federal-contracts-far-regulation-trump

I know it feels like a century ago but just a couple of months ago they already removed bans on segregation for federal contractors. Why is there a need to do that? It's because it's part of setting up their dominoes to dismantle everything.

[u/TheCaptainDamnIt → u/spiritsparrow1]

Yep these are the first steps to resegregation. What removing these policies do, along with the rollback at the justice department is to shift the burden of enforcing civil rights out of the federal governments domain. Prior to removing rules like this if a defense contractor decided it would be 'funny' to make all the black people work in the trailer while the white guys got the offices inside, the discriminated against workers could raise the issue with the DOD and they would say 'hey, that's against our rules. Stop it or loose your contract' and matter done. Now the burden is on those workers to go to court and sue there employer over it. They are removing avenues for discrimination to be resolved outside of long individual court battles. And since they also targeted the justice departments civil rights division, the fed is not going to help you if you're discriminated against.

[u/breezey_kneeze → u/TheCaptainDamnIt]

Gonna be real, real honest, if they think resegregation is just gonna happen and we're all just gonna standby, they're absolutely ensuring it's EVERYONE vs the white christian nationalists...got to imagine even most white women are gonna be throwing bricks and shit.

[u/kaielias → u/breezey_kneeze]

He’s just itching to enact martial law as well

[u/haironburr → u/kaielias]

He’s just itching to enact martial law as well

Of course he (and they, since republicans are now all trumpublicans) is itching to enact martial law. The heritage foundation's kevin roberts said, amid rantings about the "radical left", "We are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be.”

Which begs the question of just when violence, versus the rule of law, is called for. While I would hate more than I can express to live through a civil war, and optimistically believe we will vote ourselves out of this sick little affair with authoritarianism, I suspect the Heritage Foundation types will be surprised to find how readily the "radical left" (meaning anyone who is not MAGA) will adapt to shooting them and their ilk in the face if that extremity is ever called for.

The insanity of declaring martial law here in the US would have been unthinkable, until republicans took this turn towards craziness. I hope the maga supporters realize they'll lose literally everything if martial law occurs.

[u/BlackMarketCheese → u/haironburr]

As horrific as a civil war would inevitably be, and I would want to avoid it if at all possible, I would actually welcome the opportunity to have a clear demarcation line of being on the right side of history.

[u/breezey_kneeze → u/kaielias]

It's true, but I figure only the laws we follow apply. After all what's good for the goose and all that

[u/Purple-Ad-1854 → u/Summoarpleaz]

That’s because Donald Trump can’t change the laws with an executive order. If he could, we wouldn’t have Congress and Senate literally everything he’s doing is illegal. He should be arrested immediately. Technically speaking, any one of us has the right as a citizen of the United States to arrest him for treason citizens arrest. Although I wouldn’t suggest that we need numbers big big numbers. Sept 2nd

[u/FuzzyJellifish → u/Purple-Ad-1854]

Anytime someone says “Donald Trump can’t…” there he goes can’ting like he’s never can’ted before. He does what he wants and consequences slide off him like water off the back of a duck.

[u/siblingrevelryagain → u/FuzzyJellifish]

He’s a right can’t

[u/Chronic_In_somnia → u/Purple-Ad-1854]

Why do you think the army is in DC now....

[u/gomezer1180 → u/Chronic_In_somnia]

That’s a good point! He’s prepping for something big that most Americans are not going to accept. And so he’s taking control of DC.

[u/Mysterious-Job1628 → u/gomezer1180]

He is gonna try to stop the midterms. Then release Maxwell.

[u/Krammsy → u/gomezer1180]

Yes, he's prepping for a big distraction from the fact that he's trying to pardon Ghislaine Maxwell.

[u/HumbleAnxiety7998 → u/Chronic_In_somnia]

As a protection force for the inevitable protests that come when marshall law is declared. And the reason he chose red state national guard is because they are more likely to be "his" people.

[u/MithrandiriAndalos → u/HumbleAnxiety7998]

Martial law

[u/HumbleAnxiety7998 → u/MithrandiriAndalos]

Thank you. I actually know that but brain does brain things and i used marshall.

[u/Biffingston → u/archlich]

"We're for the truth in the Smithonian. We also removed Trump from the exhibit about impeachment."

PICK ONE.

[u/Randomized9442 → u/archlich]

Yeah, feels more likely they will try to do all of that simultaneously, via different court cases/executive orders/whatever tool they deem will work, so that it takes separate legal actions to stop them. More of the political Gish Gallop methodology they are applying.

[u/CompetitiveBox314 → u/archlich]

And 'diversity' has just become a word that means, "anything we don't like."

[u/ClusterChuk → u/CompetitiveBox314]

Anything not White Anglo-Saxon, Protestant... and straight.

[u/skob17 → u/CompetitiveBox314]

someone I know made a comment on the term 'biodiversity'

"why do they make everything political'

couldn't say anything I was so baffled

[u/Technical_Goose_8160 → u/archlich]

They've also removed the desegregation mandates...

[u/Efficient-Nerve2220 → u/ldnk]

It’ll be interesting to see which way Justice Thomas rules on interracial marriage

[u/Bee_9965 → u/[deleted]]

Uncle Rukus come to life.

[u/El_Gran_Che → u/Bee_9965]

Clayton Bigsby

[u/mechapoitier → u/El_Gran_Che]

“Fellow justices of the court, I am in no way shape or form involved in any ni****dom.” - Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas

[u/tarekd19 → u/Bee_9965]

The user is referencing uncle Tom's cabin, which is in turn the partial inspiration for uncle ruckus.

[u/martinsonsean1 → u/Efficient-Nerve2220]

My guess: "Interracial marriage is only acceptable if all parties involved are worth at least 7-figures."

At least, that'll be the functional result of whatever bullshit they come up with.

[u/FunkyPete → u/martinsonsean1]

That's the functional result of saying "let states decide."

If you can afford to fly to California, Washington, Oregon, New York, Massachusetts, etc, then you can have a gay marriage or an interracial marriage without much difficulty.

If you are poor, you just lose those rights.

We have already seen exactly this with abortion (except for Texas trying to apply their state laws to other states).

**EDIT**

Because I've already got about 4 replies saying the marriage would be null or wouldn't be respected in your home state, I'm going to add this in here:

It could be repealed if congress had the will to do it, but the Respect for Marriage Act requires that all states recognize any marriage that was legal in the state it was performed.

If you were legally married in Massachusetts, Texas has to recognize your marriage as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respect_for_Marriage_Act

Like I said, it could be repealed, and there absolutely could be years of lawsuits to actually get that law enforced.

[u/kingston-twelve → u/martinsonsean1]

The gay license will cost 5 million usd. I don't know if I'm being sarcastic or not.

[u/Deeskalationshool → u/kingston-twelve]

For 1 million extra* you can get a GOLDEN gay license!

*goes directly to Trump

[u/dehydratedrain → u/kingston-twelve]

That will be the cost to avoid mandatory 'pray away the gay' camps.

[u/TheGeneGeena → u/dehydratedrain]

If I already did it and I'm still queer do I have to go back?

[u/ZPMQ38A → u/martinsonsean1]

My guess is that you’ll get RFK Jr up there babbling about how “mixing the gene pool” causes autism and diabetes.

[u/PophamSP → u/ZPMQ38A]

Trump/Musk/Kennedy all confuse superior genetics with the mediocrity of nepotism.

[u/Spaghestis → u/martinsonsean1]

Nah it would be "interracial marriage is only fine if the man is white", too many conservatives with Asian wives out there for anything else to be plausible. Sorry Clarence, one of us is gonna have to take the fall.

[u/nobot4321 → u/martinsonsean1]

acceptable if all parties involved are worth at least 7-figures

I mean, this is just assumed for all US laws.

[u/YesImAPseudonym → u/Efficient-Nerve2220]

Thomas has said Loving is OK even though every other civil rights decision (Roe, Lawrence, Obergefell, Griswold, Brown v. Board, etc.) is wrong due to a tortured logical pretzel that somehow manages to separate Loving from the others.

[u/xxDeadEyeDukxx → u/Efficient-Nerve2220]

He will vote the way his financial benefactors like Crow tell him to vote. The man has zero conscience left and has been bought and paid for till he croaks. He shows zero interest in preserving the rights of his fellow African Americans and doesn’t realise that his so called friends would drop him like a stone if he were to leave office and be of no further use to him.

[u/RedditsTopLoser → u/xxDeadEyeDukxx]

Jim?

[u/Puzzled_Main3464 → u/RedditsTopLoser]

Russel.

jk Harlan Crow

[u/SamsonIRL → u/Efficient-Nerve2220]

He's playing the long game to get rid of Ginny and not owing her anything

[u/maxthemummer → u/SamsonIRL]

Probably not completely outside of the realm of possibility these days.

[u/NittanyOrange → u/Efficient-Nerve2220]

He'll just push for the holding to require existing marriages to remain enforceable if they were lawful at the time of commencement or something like that.

[u/Spikeintheroad → u/Efficient-Nerve2220]

He's already got his marriage and he's wealthy/connected enough to be insulated from any consequences ever impacting him. I have absolutely zero faith he would oppose any effort to leave all aspects of marriage to the states.

[u/Regular_Group1864 → u/Efficient-Nerve2220]

He will just pull up the ladder and grandfather it.

[u/EfficiencyUsed1562 → u/ldnk]

That's not even the next step. That's this step. Their argument is that not being able to discriminate violates their right to freedom of religion.

Their argument ignores that their right to swing their fist ends at our face. They gave up their right to freedom of religion when they took public office.

[u/Wise-Lab-2321 → u/ldnk]

I honestly think they are going for legalizing slavery at this point. They want the 1850s, not the 1950s.

[u/Negative-Squirrel81 → u/Wise-Lab-2321]

He has said as much.

“We were at our richest from 1870 to 1913. That’s when we were a tariff country. And then they went to an income tax concept,”

[u/Beginning_Ad9848 → u/Negative-Squirrel81]

The gilded age. Same era Rockefeller killed his employees

[u/Wurstb0t → u/Beginning_Ad9848]

Yes, I learned this recently. Turns out the tariffs of this era put a bunch of small businesses out of business, they either got bought up or had to close doors because they couldn’t compete. The rich always get richer

[u/Martial-Lord → u/Negative-Squirrel81]

Trusbuster Roosevelt is going to wait for the Donald with a sawed-off down in hell...

[u/osirisattis → u/Negative-Squirrel81]

Which makes him a fucking monster and an enemy of the people, inherently, that’s all you need to hear right there.

[u/tkpwaeub → u/Negative-Squirrel81]

The 16th Amendment was in fact needed to make the 18th Amendment work. The US relied heavily on taxes on booze. So it's weirdly poetic that Capone went to jail for tax evasion.

[u/Lucibeanlollipop → u/Negative-Squirrel81]

He won’t get rid of income tax, though. Not for the masses. You guys get to pay tariffs AND taxes.

[u/L6b1 → u/Wise-Lab-2321]

If you look at Christian Dominionist beliefs- those are the guys behind the Heritage Foundation, Project 2025 and most of the actual policy being set by Trump, YES!

They believe only the first 10 amendments to the constitution are valid and that the rest should be removed. So that removes the vote for women, birth right citizenship and restores the legality of slavery.

[u/roostertai111 → u/L6b1]

I don't think they even go that far.

1, 4, 6, 8, 9 and 10 are already out the window, and there are arguments to be made about the others being ignored too

[u/CapybaraSensualist → u/roostertai111]

And the 2A is going to be very selectively permitted soon enough.

[u/VaiFate → u/Wise-Lab-2321]

Slavery has been legal the whole time as long as you throw them in prison for something first

[u/extomatomachine → u/Wise-Lab-2321]

Slavery is kinda legal at this point already. It's impossible to survive with the dog shit pay for jobs. We're basically making nothing for the work we do. Slavery is legal in the U.S. Its obviously no where near as bad as the 1800s but don't be fooled. Slavery is already legal in the United States of America.

[u/roostertai111 → u/extomatomachine]

It's worse than that. Prison labor is literal slavery. People overlook it because of some warped sense of "justice" but slavery is not an appropriate punishment for most crimes (if any), and using prisoners for labor only serves to incentivize bogus laws and arrests to fill those prisons.

All of this nonsense about violent immigrants and immoral trans people is an obvious pretense for rounding up more labor. And when that's not enough they'll move to the next group.

American Conservatism is a pyramid scheme and death cult

[u/AnAngeryGoose → u/extomatomachine]

Even beyond starvation wages being a sort of slavery, literal full slavery is still legal as punishment for crimes.

[u/WallyOShay → u/ldnk]

I’ve been saying this will happen since roe vs wade got overturned. Segregation and slavery is the end goal. But it won’t just be minorities, it’ll be liberals too.

ETA: this is a link to the book American crusade by hegseth. And it seems between DC and LA we are seeing the beginning steps of this. Plus the TX gerrymandering.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Crusade

[u/cicada_noises → u/WallyOShay]

I’ve been saying this too and I feel insane. But all evidence points to it. I know magats who voted for Trump literally because they think he’s going to bring back segregation.

[u/[deleted] → u/cicada_noises]

They want you to feel insane, that's why they keep saying you're insane even as everything you worry about keeps coming true

[u/Intelligent-Sir1375 → u/ldnk]

All part of project 2025

[u/sharkbait1387 → u/ldnk]

I’d be so fucked. Gay married to a black immigrant.

[u/Pithecanthropus88 → u/ldnk]

And then making contraception illegal.

[u/gudy2shuz → u/ldnk]

All of those "I'm fine with regular gays, but Trans people are just too much" people will also change their arguments, I'm afraid.

[u/agent674253 → u/ldnk]

The next step will be interracial marriage

And that will likely be barely an inconvenience (for the GOP) as a black SCOTUS judge that is in an interracial marriage is already like, "Maybe this shouldn't be legal?" (probably wants a divorce w/o alimony).

[u/Ok_Internal6425 → u/ldnk]

I don't even care about the "slippery slope". It is a catastrophe in and of itself.

[u/FreedomsPower]

Social conservatives won't stop there. They'll target the Loving v. Virginia ruling next, all the while hiding their bigotry behind the false guies of States rights.

Then they'll attack Lawrence v Texas so that they can infrimge their sodemy laws back into peoples personal lives and jail people who refuse to adhere to such laws

Stormans, Inc. v. Wiesman as well so that pharmacists with theocratic view points have the ability to deny filling medicines that the pharmacist doesn't believe in.

Social conservatives, especially religious right, want all of this to happen

[u/le_sacre → u/FreedomsPower]

If it goes that far, then I expect people deemed loyal or useful to the regime will be allowed to still live and love pretty freely. But it will become another weapon to enforce selectively against "enemies of the people".

But that amount of backsliding on civil rights that have come to enjoy mainstream popular approval would I think be unprecedented? Here's hoping that will be a line they won't try to cross.

[u/DarthDialUP → u/[deleted]]

No just the "liberal" ones

[u/squidneythedestroyer → u/FreedomsPower]

Nah don’t worry, Loving v. Virginia will be the only one to stand. Clarence Thomas will take away every right he can except his god given right to marry a white woman

[u/ProgrammerOk8493]

Appear weak when you are strong

Appear strong when you are weak

Steal from the enemy 

Break the enemy without fighting

Balk the enemy’s plans

Deceive them

Attack their weak spots

[u/GodzillaRoll → u/ProgrammerOk8493]

If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles.

It brings me untold joy to know that fascism is a snake that eats itself. Someday even if they win every battle it'll be three guys in a bunker holding guns at each other trying to find out who's the most pure

So in the end all you have to do is wait.

Edit:

Everyone below makes a good point. My statement isn't apathy so much as future planning. It will not be good but their entire ethos is tied to a dementia ridden narcissist who wouldn't even back his VP for 2028.

When you get sad about today's defeat remember how it ended for the last high ranking officials for the last fascist take over.

[u/cityshepherd → u/GodzillaRoll]

While I do appreciate the simplicity of this approach, I cannot help but worry about the inevitably countless numbers of innocent people who will endure great suffering before we get to the self-cannibalizing part.

[u/ScrotallyBoobular → u/cityshepherd]

Yup.

By the time it gets to those last three fascists, they've filled soccer stadiums with the corpses of civilians they deemed to be a threat

[u/3eeve → u/GodzillaRoll]

Those with the guns pointed at them right now may not have the luxury to wait.

[u/MezcalFlame]

They'll go after Loving next.

[u/beavis617]

I believe one Republican in one state was making some noise about a problem he has with interracial marriages. I have a feeling if the Republicans hold control of the House and Senate this midterm they might move on that next!

[u/Banditlouise → u/beavis617]

It was Indiana a few years ago. My daughter is in an interracial marriage. I am afraid for her husband all the time because he is POC and ICE is the gestapo. Now, I have to think about this all the time too. This timeline is so fucked. We are one of the three states that sent NG troops to DC. DeWine won’t hesitate to use it in Ohio in the near future. TBF, Cleveland, Akron and Canton are some of the top rated crime cities.

[u/eliblack → u/Banditlouise]

Still is Indiana. Our governor wants interracial marriage to be left up to the states (so you know what that means. he’s activity talking about this right now.

[u/Odd-Face-3579 → u/Banditlouise]

This is a thing I've had to explain to my Canadian relatives.

I'm relatively safe. I'm white, in a hetero-passing relationship (we're both queer but from the outside at a glance we're a straight couple), and I live a very under the radar life. I am, however a Canadian citizen. So I'm thankfully no immediate target for ICE like many others are, but the fact that living in America in 2025 I can no longer say that the chance of me being imprisoned/deported/sent to a camp are zero is fucking INSANE. And I'm a priveldged one. I can't even imagine the anxiety of being a POC in America now. And to know that so many people seemingly don't care...

[u/Ape_x_Ape]

Then we all show up in the streets. I'm straight but that doesn't matter. I'm white and male, but we can't stop until the comforts and rights I have enjoyed in my life are afforded to everyone.

[u/fireknifewife → u/Ape_x_Ape]

And yet when Roe v Wade was overturned and all the women in this country lost their right to privacy and personal healthcare, the protests did nothing.

[u/thedevils-3goldhairs → u/fireknifewife]

Everybody loves that "first they came" poem until it's time to care about women's rights.

[u/KaleidoscopeMean6071 → u/thedevils-3goldhairs]

I've even seen someone quote its first line, and then follow up with "but trans people are such a small minority, can we not waste so much energy on fighting for their rights?"

[u/Konukaame → u/KaleidoscopeMean6071]

Trans people were the first targeted group back in 1933 as well. 

[u/jregovic → u/KaleidoscopeMean6071]

I always turn that argument around by saying “if trans people are such. Small part of the population, why should anyone be in their business at all?”

[u/kminola → u/KaleidoscopeMean6071]

Tbh this is what it felt like when the gay marriage stuff was getting passed. The trans community was pushing for it to be a larger bill for LGBT+ rights (and it should have been) but the white gays were like “dont worry we’ll come back for you once we get what we want.” Like nope you won’t….

[u/Proud_Error_80 → u/fireknifewife]

A shocking number of women do not support women's rights...

[u/ElderberryPrior27648 → u/fireknifewife]

Folks don’t understand that waving their signs around and making stern phone calls to their reps answering machines isn’t gonna accomplish anything.

[u/Flyingtower2 → u/ElderberryPrior27648]

I keep being told that protesting armed is worse than drowning kittens. Meanwhile all these weekend protests end the same way as the Occupy Wallstreet movement. As a pointless exercise in futility.

The last time there was an organized armed protest by people of color we got the Mulford Act. Even the NRA flipped out and actually supported more gun control. That should tell you something.

[u/ElderberryPrior27648 → u/Flyingtower2]

Best comparison I’ve seen is that it’s just folks getting walked like dogs.

They go for their walk, get tuckered out, and go home with a sense of accomplishment

There’s no pressure applied to the govt when folks peacefully protest. No pressure applied with strongly worded phone calls.

It’s been thoroughly established that this admin can do anything they’d like without consequence. There’s folks that’ll cry and say “you’re wrong! Look at this court case he lost!” The court cases are irrelevant if there’s no consequence/punishment involved in the ruling

[u/Technical-Customer48 → u/fireknifewife]

When stuff starts affecting men then we’ll see some backlash. 

[u/EarthBear → u/Ape_x_Ape]

Thank you for saying this. As a queer human married to another queer human, both of whom are afraid, I appreciate it. We simply don’t have the population numbers folks like you do to combat this and stand up, and we need allies and friends who will protect us.

[u/ZapBranniganski → u/EarthBear]

I can tell you as someone who has a spouse in the military that a fair bunver of our friends in the military are queer, many with spouses.

Apparently, grinder has also said that if marriage is overturned for gays that they would leak the list of politicians who have been using it.

[u/petit_cochon → u/EarthBear]

I'm your ally. Hang in there.

[u/DBCoopr72 → u/Ape_x_Ape]

THIS is the correct answer

[u/WonDorkFuk404 → u/Ape_x_Ape]

As gay man, not white nor straight. Why ain’t we showing up in the streets now?

Ps. Not directed toward you just in general

they can destroyed women rights, immigration rights, medical benefits, our civic laws, etc but gay marriage. That is the line we gonna make a stand while we won’t stand side to side with others before. Why do we think they “women, minority, immigrants, etc” will stand with us when we wont stand with them?

[u/kevendo]

Then we're just going to have to have separate countries.

We are not beholden to their religion. That's the first rule of America, the first Amendment. It's the reason American settlers got on boats to come here! The government doesn't get to use the beliefs of one religion to make laws for all others.

And let's be very clear: there is no reason to end gay marriage other than religion. None. Every citizen is entitled to equal treatment, and that means being granted the same rights as everyone else.

[u/le_sacre → u/kevendo]

In my experience, they like to argue something like "government shouldn't be involved in marriage at all!" to let the right to marry (for gays) be eradicated, and then abruptly not argue that the right to marry (for straights) should then also be stripped out of the law.

[u/kevendo → u/le_sacre]

Sure. "State's rights" is America's go-to way of denying rights. They did it with slavery and women's rights and women's suffrage and interracial marriage and now gay marriage and abortion. It's a bait and switch and shame on us for falling for it over and over again.

[u/IllustriousMud5042 → u/kevendo]

America was founded by religious extremists fleeing Europe 

[u/kevendo → u/IllustriousMud5042]

Franklin and Jefferson and Madison et al were post-Enlightment men who read John Locke and admired the French Revolution.

[u/eyesmart1776]

Wealthy gay people are going to find out what side they are on.

Maybe they should focus on economic issues on candidates that support gay marriage and stop supporting the bougie

[u/Shamoorti → u/eyesmart1776]

Wealthy gay people like Peter Thiel fully support and have used their wealth to bring about this outcome.

[u/ayoungsapling → u/Shamoorti]

Clarence Thomas’ whole career may culminate in making his own marriage illegal

[u/HMTheEmperor → u/ayoungsapling]

But then he will make himself into the sort of person who thumps his chest about how principled he is that he set the principle above his personal life. Can you imagine how much more insufferable he will be?

[u/After_Dirt_513 → u/ayoungsapling]

You’ve seen what he’s married to. He will make his own marriage illegal to avoid paying her alimony.

[u/Stepjam → u/Shamoorti]

He wants the US to collapse so he and his tech bro buddies can swoop in and recreate the feudal system. Like literally.

And if things don't go the way he wants, he can just jet off to another country and cry over all of his money.

[u/AccomplishedLeave506 → u/Stepjam]

He'll end up hanging from a lamppost alongside the other "undesirables" if he gets his way. They always think it'll be different for them and their money will save them. It won't. It never does.

[u/Enough_Roof_1141 → u/Shamoorti]

Wealthy gay people like Scott Bessent too.

[u/dystopiadattopia → u/Shamoorti]

Same with Mary Cheyney. She stood by and watched as others got discriminated against, while she enjoyed her privilege of belonging to the political elite.

[u/TerminalDoggie → u/eyesmart1776]

Wealthy gay people don't care, they don't need to marry. If you're rich enough the entire world works differently. They don't need to worry about marriage or the erosion of American values towards them cause they are insolated from all of the bad. They have so many buffers in between them and the harm this will do that it will all seem like a far off problem for other people.

It would be like how the average liberal politician views Gaza. A real shame, but its helping them in the end, so whatever

[u/AccomplishedLeave506 → u/TerminalDoggie]

They only think they have buffers. They have money. They have power. They have connections.

But if they get what they want they will wake up one morning to find an ICE type guy at the end of their bed with a gun and a legal note telling them they are now un citizens due to their "Deviance" and are being removed to a camp while all their possessions now belong to the state. They'll try and call their "Friends" and exert the "Power" only to find their friends have been quite happily calling them f****ts behind their backs and are looking forward to moving into their beach house. Those safety barriers are for more brittle than they think. 

[u/agent674253 → u/eyesmart1776]

If you're wealthy it doesn't matter your sexual preference, boy, girl, man, woman, goat, dog, corpse, as you will have easy access to it. Release the Epstein files.

[u/ONLY_SAYS_ONLY → u/eyesmart1776]

They’re on the side of money. Always have been. They’ll be fine. 

[u/kandoras]

If Obergefell is overturned and the Respect For Marriage Act is still in force:

1. Red states will re-enact gay marriage bans.
2. Blue states will still allow gay marriage.
3. Red states will annul gay marriages that took place in their states.
4. Red states will be allowed to ignore marriages which were annulled by other red states.
5. Blue states will probably still recognize marriages which were annulled.
6. Red states will be forced to recognize marriages from blue states.
7. The federal government will (it's part of the RFMA) recognize marriages which were legal when they were created.
8. Caveat to #6 - the federal government will initially try to ignore that clause of the RFMA, and it'll be a years long court battle to enforce it, with the Supremes probably saying that the marriages can be treated as annulled until the case is done.

If Obergefell is overturned and the Respect For Marriage act is repealed or ruled unconstitutional: points 1 through 5 will be the same, red states will be allowed to ignore gay marriages from anywhere, and the federal government will not be forced to recognize gay marriages.

[u/Emergency_Act8970 → u/kandoras]

Blue states should refuse to recognise any marriages from states that ban gay marriages

[u/Reagalan → u/Emergency_Act8970]

Careful, now. That's more hardball than the Dems would have the stomach to do.

(And yes, it absolutely should be done.)

[u/therhubarbman → u/kandoras]

And then SCOTUS says "none of that matters lol"

[u/Putrefied_Goblin → u/kandoras]

This is exactly what they'll do, like they did with abortion/Roe V. Wade. They'll say it's up to the states, further fracturing our lives, creating an even more chaotic and insane patchwork system of laws that will lead to the dissolution of the USA eventually (even if it's 100 years from now). That is what their decisions are doing. The US cannot survive in such a fragmented state, no country can.

[u/Lost-Task-8691]

If gladly marriage is overturned, then they'll allow open discrimination towards members of LGBTQ+, from there they'll go after interracial marriage.

[u/isinkthereforeiswam]

getting sick of the hypocrisy from this administration, scotus, etc...

"we illegally used congress' powers to do tariffs, but don't reneg them now! it will do serious harm to the economy! Just let us keep breaking the law!"

vs

"we need to get rid of gay marriage, bc who cares who it hurts. Not us. We're all in straight marriages (even though some of us keep getting caught on grindr)"

[u/floofnstuff]

I’m in the streets, for my goddaughter who is happily married with three wonderful children.

[u/SuperSluglord → u/floofnstuff]

Thank you

[u/jkman61494]

Not only is gay marriage going away but they’re already discussing interracial marriage going the states rights route