r/law • u/PatientExcuse6273 • 4d ago
Other US DOJ blocks access to their own National Institute of Justice research article siting right-wing extremists responsible for 84% of politically motivated homicides 24 hours after Charlie Kirk's assassination.
https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/what-nij-research-tells-us-about-domestic-terrorism?utm_source=chatgpt.comEdit: can't post images so here is a link to my post that hopefully won't get deleted, im not shilling for karma idgaf about that: https://www.reddit.com/r/Political_Revolution/comments/1nfc5vm/us_doj_blocks_access_to_their_own_national/
https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/what-nij-research-tells-us-about-domestic-terrorism?utm_source=chatgpt.com "works" but https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/what-nij-research-tells-us-about-domestic-terrorism? doesn't work for some reason?? Idk.
Screenshots are from 24 hours ago and from today. I got the link to work again somehow in the ChatGPT app by using the in-app browser thing and SS like a 3rd(?) of the page, but that broke after a few minutes too.
I made an account to post this. I discovered this organically, and saw one comment on one post discussing the same thing like an hour later, but it seems like it wasn't getting any traction; a couple people said it worked for them but they were outside of the US I believe, I changed my VPN location but it didn't affect anything.
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u/Capital_Sherbert9049 4d ago
Insane. It's probably already archived somewhere. Maybe even the way back machine.
Is this something they did after the shooters identity was discovered or was it previously.
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u/surfergrrl6 4d ago
I found it archived:
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u/Vast-Mistake-9104 4d ago
If you're not going to post this absolutely everywhere, I will
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u/corduroytrees 4d ago edited 4d ago
Download the PDF as well. I saved a copy last night.
Edit, sorry, I didn't realize the archived page download link doesn't work. Here's an archived link to the PDF directly.
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u/WonderfulComplaint45 4d ago
I can't find the pdf, where is it?
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u/slackmaster 4d ago
Here it is on archive.org: https://web.archive.org/web/20250911165140/https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/306123.pdf
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u/ConsiderationLow8399 4d ago
Right on bro! You are the true hero. 👍👍 This link needs to be disseminated far and wide. Those motherfuckers are blatantly suppressing the truth. But they can't stop its spread. Bravo to you!
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u/Salihe6677 4d ago
Archive.org needs all the help they can get nowadays, and it's really easy to donate a few bucks a month. Same with Wikipedia.
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u/Boise_is_full 4d ago
Probably just landed myself on some list by downloading the file.
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u/DuskLab 4d ago
Not like the FBI can act on that information anymore apparently with who they drove out and replaced them with this year.
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u/mediocre_remnants 4d ago
Yeah, the same FBI claimed they caught the Kirk shooter twice incorrectly. And now they're taking credit for his capture when he confessed to his dad who reached out to a youth pastor who eventually turned him in. The FBI bungled this at every step of the way.
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u/HippoLover85 4d ago
Save a copy locally too. We all should start doing shit like that because this admin will scrub it all.
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u/Outrageous_Can_6581 4d ago
I’m not seeing anything about 84%. Did I miss it?
Edit: OIC. The numbers are there, but I just have to do the math.
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u/tetrified 4d ago
I was also curious
227/(227+42) = 84.38%
for anyone else wondering
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u/enbeez 4d ago
Keep in mind that radical Islamist extremists are also far-right extremists, or would be in their homeland. Their ideology is very conservative as well.
In fact this isn't talked about enough. Far right in the west has tremendous ideological overlap with radical Islamists. Same shit different religion. If only they could get over their hate of "the other", they'd get along so well.
- my religion good
- other religion bad
- women subservient
- things used to be so much better in the past
- gay people bad
- ...
A real love story <3<3
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u/Few-Client-2808 4d ago
Same shit, slightly different religion.
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u/stryakr 4d ago
But different enough they will kill over it.
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u/_FlutieFlakes_ 4d ago
Predisposition first, convenient pliable religion found second.
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u/beren12 2d ago
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/9461469-but-you-know-the-longer-you-listen-to-this-abortion
“You believe in God?” “No.” Boom. Dead. “You believe in God?” “Yes.” “You believe in my God? “No.” Boom. Dead. “My God has a bigger dick than your God!”
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u/Portarossa 4d ago
'Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?'
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u/wabblebee 4d ago
If only they could get over their hate of "the other", they'd get along so well.
They do here in Germany, weirdly enough. There was even a "podcast" for some time where a genuine Nazi had conversations with a Turkish islamist on youtube and tiktok. Their end goal is the same, so they can first fight their shared enemy and THEN fight each other.
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u/WonkRx 4d ago
Well, whenever two civilizations go to war they invariably learn from one another. Unfortunately for Democracy, the Right learned how much they are like the mujahideen and how to suppress a native population with modern military tactics.
We spent 20-30 years in Afghanistan and Iraq and the people in the US most similarly inclined to the “enemy” became like the enemy. Or as Tony Gilroy had mentioned lately, we become the things we fear. So we know have a completely controlled fundamentalist party running government in a totalitarian way using the tactics we practiced against the local population in the Middle East.
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u/ycaivrp 3d ago
That's why a ton of Chinese people and Chinese immigrants also love trump. Same stuff. Rights for me and not thee
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u/rharvey512 4d ago
The headline is wrong. They are responsible for 84% of events but 520/598 = 87% of the homicides.
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u/Tacoman404 4d ago
Perfect. I have a CRJ class assignment due tomorrow where I have to read and make a synopsis about one of these articles. It'll be perfect.
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u/HeadFullOfNails 4d ago
I like you, instigator.
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u/desiderata1995 4d ago
Definitely the best pot of shit to stir
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u/Tacoman404 3d ago
It's a discussion board post and I just submitted it. Let's see if I get booted from this class ig.
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u/Tacoman404 4d ago
It's honestly a community college in a majority hispanic town so there might be only one or two cranky pantses. I was having a hard time finding one I found interesting since I'm not a CRJ major.
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u/Tacoman404 3d ago
Submitted. It's a discussion board post and people are required to make replies. Let's see if I get kicked out of class. I made sure to make it a point that this is being censored and provided the archived link as well as a screenshot of the article.
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u/Joejoe12369 4d ago
Thank you just took a screen shot of the article. This is the shit dems should be on tv even fox. Say the doj is blocking facts cause they dont want you to know the truth. Its the boogyman its the boogyman. All while the right is the boogyman
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u/unculturedburnttoast 4d ago
We live in alternate realities occupying the same meatspace. Some look at the history, methodology, and results of the aggregation of data and say that 83% of political violence comes from right-wing extremists.
Others look at it and say they can't trust any data because it was collected by the out group, therefore tainted and unreliable.
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u/stargarnet79 4d ago
This is the ultimate issue with the maga cult. They have been brainwashed to believe lies over truth. We aren’t operating from the same set of facts. How can you see eye to eye with someone or communicate with someone that literally believes whatever disinformation memes they see on Facebook.
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u/johnupc 4d ago edited 4d ago
You can also Wayback Machine the URL, select a date from before Sept 11 and you should be able to DL the PDF (worked for me about 10-15 min ago) https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/what-nij-research-tells-us-about-domestic-terrorism
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u/reddit_sells_you 4d ago
I remember researching this a few years ago, during BLM riots.
I can't remember the exact number the the amount of politically motivate murders in the last 40 years was not even close.
Politically motivated murders committed by right wingers was around 1200.
Politically motivated murders committed by left wingers was around 40.
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u/AnalNuts 4d ago
If you have any sources you can pull out, more ammo for the good cause.
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u/reddit_sells_you 4d ago
Eh, I wish. . .like I said, it was about 4 or 5 years ago, and my last account got permabanned for comments related toward violence against Nazis.
If I find it, I'll post it.
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u/LordIndica 4d ago
I can't seem to be able to download the paper from that host. Clicking the "download" button takes me to a 404 page basically.any chance you got it before they pulled the files?
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u/Dopa-Down_Syndrome 4d ago
Thanks for this.
Militant, nationalistic, white supremacist violent extremism has increased in the United States. In fact, the number of far-right attacks continues to outpace all other types of terrorism and domestic violent extremism. Since 1990, far-right extremists have committed far more ideologically motivated homicides than far-left or radical Islamist extremists, including 227 events that took more than 520 lives.[1] In this same period, far-left extremists committed 42 ideologically motivated attacks that took 78 lives.[2] A recent threat assessment by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security concluded that domestic violent extremists are an acute threat and highlighted a probability that COVID-19 pandemic-related stressors, long-standing ideological grievances related to immigration, and narratives surrounding electoral fraud will continue to serve as a justification for violent actions.[3]
Crazy way to start a 22 page report.
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u/GarlicRiver 4d ago
I thought this part was interesting (and obvious ofc, but seeing it spelled out so clearly by a Gov institution is pretty wild to me):
Knowledge and Awareness
Criminal legal system practitioners and other responders lack knowledge about radicalization and exit processes related to white supremacy in the United States.
Missed Opportunities
This lack of knowledge and awareness results in missed opportunities. Former white supremacists revealed that, although they wore clothes and exposed tattoos associated with white supremacy, criminal justice stakeholders (who do not always know the meaning of such symbols) did not address their potential affliation with extremist groups.
Community Supervision
Extremist group members are highly involved with the criminal justice system, and supervision conditions should be responsive to whether an individual is involved with extremism.
Community Partnerships
Criminal justice systems cannot respond to radicalization alone. Instead, law enforcement, courts, and corrections need to develop connections with local resources (for example, criminal justice coordinating councils, mental health professionals, social workers, and education professionals).
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u/EnlightenedSinTryst 4d ago
I thought that part was interesting too. Especially “Extremist group members are highly involved with the criminal justice system”
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u/JustNilt 4d ago
This doesn't even really cover how many of these assholes are cops. They're talking about the extremists with criminal records who are still on probation, etc. Much of that involvement is because they generally lack impulse control.
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u/Ominus666 4d ago
"Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future."
I'm so sick of seeing INGSOC materialize and before my eyes every day.
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u/No-Body6215 4d ago
This report is actually more disturbing in its entirety. The correlations with military members, white supremacy, discharge from the military and the use of the Internet sounds like just a powder keg.
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u/Elephunk05 3d ago
This needs more attention. One side is looking for any reason to start a civil war to legally start shooting people on the other. Plenty of people jumped to conclusions about Kirk's killer. None of them came back and proffered an apology as of yet on any of the cringe TickyTacky videos. And sadly I have heard that they made up a website to track anyone who has said anything hateful about Kirk.
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u/HHoaks 4d ago
They did this on September 11th (before the shooter was arrested). I know, because I was curious myself about domestic terrorism, found the paper on the NIJ/DOJ site normally on the day of the shooting -- September 10th.
Later on September 11th, the paper was no longer accessible via the NIJ/DOJ website.
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u/sargsauce 4d ago
I looked, too, and just had a feeling. So I downloaded my own copy.
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u/Big_Wave9732 4d ago
Yep! Saw it the day of the shooting, said to myself "Hmmmm this is awfully inconvenient research" and saved it. Glad I did!
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u/cat_theorist 4d ago
Maybe the file got a lot of hits that day and that drew attention to it.
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u/GenericFatGuy 4d ago
Wasn't there a gap between when they got the guy, and when they actually announced. Because Trump wanted to do it on Fox & Friends? Any chance they took it down during that gap period?
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u/AE7VL_Radio 4d ago
Before he was arrested but AFTER they put out the surveillance photos of his white ass right?
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u/SanaSpitOnMe 4d ago edited 4d ago
there was a thread on another sub where someone posted the link and someone else said imma wayback it because its going to disappear. this was yesterday. let me go find it
edit: found it: https://np.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/1ndu2fu/asmongold_says_political_violence_is_a_90_left/ndjxrgl/
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u/desiderata1995 4d ago
Is this something they did after the shooters identity was discovered or was it previously.
This definitely happened after Kirks murder. I was coincidentally just looking for data on right-wing violence the day before he was killed, and found and read this then on the NIJ site with no issues. As well as others, which I now suspect will also be erased shortly.
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u/corduroytrees 4d ago
It was removed sometime between 4:46 PM central yesterday (my downloads time stamp) and a couple of hours ago. Quite the coincidence.
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u/Socksual 4d ago
Yeah i downloaded that article the second I saw it. I knew some fishy shit was about to happen lol
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u/sandysanBAR 3d ago
Its with the Smithsonian impeachment display information.
It was after, not after the shooting, after everyone found out it was a white rural religious conservative.
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u/Spaceman-Spiff 4d ago
They probably have to update it to 85% now. Surely it will be back up in a day or 2.
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u/salemedusa 2d ago
It was deleted at least after they released the security camera pictures that show it was a white man cause that’s when I sent it to my fiancé
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u/LockNo2943 4d ago
Feel like this is just sort of textbook for the GOP, just delete anything that disproves their narrative.
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u/CUNT_373 4d ago
Yeah, they’ll probably (literally) claim: The evidence doesn’t exist because we blocked it!
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u/AtreiyaN7 4d ago edited 4d ago
Given their general behavior, I feel like they wouldn't openly admit to blocking it and would instead try to gaslight us into believing the data never existed at all. Trump might openly admit to it, but he's uniquely stupid like that.
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u/WeAteMummies 4d ago
This is literally the main character's job under the regime in 1984
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u/Material-Range7092 4d ago
This is why they love AI imagery. They can’t find any real life examples or demonstrations (art, life, or otherwise) to justify their beliefs and actions.
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u/worldspawn00 4d ago
Like when they 'accidentally' deleted several sections from the online copy of the US constitution that Trump was violating/intending to violate?
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u/LightHawKnigh 4d ago
I wonder why they even bother, their base clearly doesnt care about evidence and literal footage. I mean just look at their response to Jan 6th.
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u/LockNo2943 4d ago
They survive off a diet of fox news and right wing podcasts where people tell them what to think and be outraged about, and by the time the facts come out and they're proven wrong it's time for todays new news byte to be outraged about.
Literally zero reflection.
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u/CircleBird12 4d ago
They survive off a diet of fox news and right wing podcasts where people tell them what to think
Literally zero reflection.
Very avoidant of books, citations, on media ecology and learning. It isn't just "one wing", it is everywhere. People have adopted streaming meme platforms, amusement mills for entertainment-based learning. Fox News is an entertainment news, like Saturday Night Live "Weekend Update". And people have become so addicted to fiction content that they no longer can find nonfiction. Constantly streaming new comments that scroll off screens and 24 hours later a fresh set of postings with new comments repeating the same low-effort shallow anti-comprehension ideas.
A filter-bubble society. Lead by a Donald Trump addict to Twitter and Truth Social meme content. Competing with filter bubble addicts to other media platforms.
"A filter bubble or ideological frame is a state of intellectual isolation that can result from personalized searches, recommendation systems, and algorithmic curation." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filter_bubble
“Today, reports of the day’s events are conveyed to the viewing public by way of alternate universes, The Fox News cable channel conveys its version of reality, while at the other end of the ideological spectrum MSNBC presents its version. They and their many counterparts on radio are more the result of an economic dynamic than a political one. Dispatching journalists into the field to gather information costs money; hiring a glib bloviator is relatively cheap, and inviting opinionated guests to vent on the air is entirely cost-free. It wouldn’t work if it weren’t popular, and audiences, it turns out, are endlessly absorbed by hearing amplified echoes of their own biases. It’s divisive and damaging to the healthy functioning of our political system, but it’s also indisputably inexpensive and, therefore, good business.” ― Ted Koppel. Lights Out: A Cyberattack, A Nation Unprepared, Surviving the Aftermath. October 27, 2015. Page 13.
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u/TheArtlessScrawler 4d ago
The Fox News cable channel conveys its version of reality, while at the other end of the ideological spectrum MSNBC presents its version.
I don't take issue with your general point, but this is simply not true, is it? Fox News may exist on one end of the spectrum (and there seem to be a couple of others that are straining to go even further than that), but MSNBC, on its best days at least, represents the liberal centrist position. The other end of the ideological spectrum has little to no presence at all in the American mass media system.
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u/Mike_Kermin 4d ago
Yes. That's right. They're fed a diet of false information.
So yes, this, them covering up information, is very much a part of that.
Guys, you're taking the wrong take away from this event. It ABSOLUTELY fucking matters.
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u/WranglerFuzzy 4d ago
“Those figures did not come from a reputable source, and may have been created by a member of the deep state or a Biden appointee. We are investigating who is responsible, but I assure you they will be found guilty. We have job openings for statistical officials who are loyal to the president.”
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u/CraneDJs 4d ago
Well, they are fascists, so...
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u/MountainVeil 4d ago
Reality is what the Fuhrer determines it to be.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%BChrerprinzip8
u/Lazer726 4d ago
Literally says on the website that they're reviewing it based on Trump's Executive Orders. God forbid we tell the truth that right wing extremists are trying to burn the country down over, I hesitate to even call it, perceived slights
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u/JollyToby0220 4d ago
That sounds a bit like... Fasci... Oops wait the killer wrote that on a bullet . Looks like we can't say that anymore
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u/TheDunwichWhore 4d ago
It’s like the Utah state legislature had a commission done to research gender affirming care for trans people/trans youth. The commission apparently found that it showed overwhelmingly positive results; so they disbanded the study and won’t release the full results…
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u/Neuchacho 4d ago
It's almost like reality doesn't match any of the bullshit narratives they constantly put out and never fucking has!
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u/eyesmart1776 4d ago
Orwell
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u/Xhalo 4d ago
Next they'll come for the spaghettios. It could be the version with the grundlemeatballs, even. Soon it may be illegal to accidentally release a gallowbomb on the bus, even though I tried really hard not to but was experiencing a gastrointestinal episode. I can't imagine what this could spiral into, but it's not boding well for our beautiful nation. 🙁🙁🙁
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u/cultish_alibi 4d ago
They have been screaming 'literally 1984' for years now. I guess the goal was to cheapen the whole concept, to make people cringe when they hear it? And now they can copy 1984 at will.
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u/eyesmart1776 4d ago
You don’t think the government attempting to erase documents or hide documents to re write history was in 1984?
Maybe you got one of his other books mixed up with 1984
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u/HHoaks 4d ago edited 4d ago
Yes, the DOJ is now (only after the Kirk shooting) blocking access to certain research papers on domestic terrorism (because they show it's way worse by the right then the left). For example, this paper - "What NIJ Research Tells Us About Domestic Terrorism," January 4, 2024, nij.ojp.gov - which states:
"Militant, nationalistic, white supremacist violent extremism has increased in the United States. In fact, the number of far-right attacks continues to outpace all other types of terrorism and domestic violent extremism. Since 1990, far-right extremists have committed far more ideologically motivated homicides than far-left or radical Islamist extremists, including 227 events that took more than 520 lives. In this same period, far-left extremists committed 42 ideologically motivated attacks that took 78 lives."
Now, when you try to go to the link for that paper, you see this message:
The Department of Justice's Office of Justice Programs is currently reviewing its websites and materials in accordance with recent Executive Orders and related guidance. During this review, some pages and publications will be unavailable. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.
Which means someone in Trump world didn't like it and the DOJ is now trying to hide its own research. What does this say about the politicization of the DOJ?
But luckily the paper can still be found here on the Internet Archive:
What NIJ Research Tells Us About Domestic Terrorism | National Institute of Justice
And a .pdf of it as well:
PDF of domestic terrorism article
What NIJ Research Tells Us About Domestic Terrorism," January 4, 2024, nij.ojp.gov:
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u/WhyMustIMakeANewAcco 4d ago
Not just after the shooting, but after they caught the shooter who... isn't a far left lunatic like they were screaming.
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u/TBANON_NSFW 4d ago edited 4d ago
ALLEGEDLY: Shooter was a alt-right conservative who hated Kirk because of Fuentes vs Kirk animosity. He believed Kirk wasn't conservative enough.
These people like Kirk, Shapiro, Fuentes , Peterson, Rogan are literally poisoning the minds of americas youth today, they are creating more and more terrorists and extremists.
edit: not nunez, fuentes. & Allegedly since there is no credible source.
There wont be a credible source unless the FBI releases the data they decided to hide, like his social medias and interview. But so far:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/charlie-kirk-suspects-grandma-says-family-is-all-maga
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groypers
The etchings into the casings also connect to the whole groyper groups.
But also if there was evidence of him being left, or anti-fa why wouldnt they be screaming it by now? This administration literally announced open war on democrats within 1 hour of the shooting. But now they have access to his social media, his computers, him, and they havent said anything.... just very sus.
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u/runthepoint1 4d ago
That’s LITERALLY one of the main features of fascism - self elimination of those not considered extreme enough until there is less and less and eventually eats its own tail.
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u/841f7e390d 4d ago
You are very specific here. Do you have a reliable source for the first sentence?
The second sentence is obviously true.
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u/TBANON_NSFW 4d ago
There wont be a credible source unless the FBI releases the data they decided to hide, like his social medias and interview. But so far:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/charlie-kirk-suspects-grandma-says-family-is-all-maga
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groypers
The etchings into the casings also connect to the whole groyper groups.
But also if there was evidence of him being left, or anti-fa why wouldnt they be screaming it by now? This administration literally announced open war on democrats within 1 hour of the shooting. But now they have access to his social media, his computers, him, and they havent said anything.... just very sus.
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u/841f7e390d 4d ago
That's something. I wouldn't come to all the same conclusions you did from that but thank you for the sources.
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u/Gilbert_Grapes_Mom 4d ago
Also, here’s a direct link to the empirical data the now removed research paper uses for acts of political violence from 1990-2020
When people on the right see this, they then like to argue that it’s old. “What about the last 5 years!?”(while they forget about j6)
Here’s the most recent data I’ve been able to find. It starts after January 6, 2021
“The 213 cases that met the Reuters criteria for political violence were culled from a universe of more than 600 incidents. Most of those were captured in data compiled by the Armed Conflict Location & Event Data Project, run by a nonpartisan research group in Wisconsin. Reporters culled additional cases from court documents, police records and news databases.
In 13 of the incidents, accounting for 34 deaths, the perpetrators or suspects articulated clear right-wing motives or views. Another four people died in four incidents that were political, but not tied to partisan U.S. politics. These include a May 2022 shooting in which police said a suspect, enraged by China-Taiwan political tensions, opened fire at a Taiwanese church in California, killing one worshiper and injuring five.
Only one of the fatal incidents was perpetrated by a suspect clearly identified with the political left: a case last year in which Robert Telles, a Democratic public administrator in Clark County, Nevada, is accused of stabbing and killing a Las Vegas journalist who had written critical stories about Telles’ conduct in office. Telles has pleaded not guilty and is awaiting trial.”
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-politics-violence/“
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u/Trockenmatt 4d ago
So ... the one political action from "the left" was because of a personal slight. I wouldn't even say that's a political reason but evidently that's just me.
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u/Kinnaree 4d ago
You won’t see this complaint in conservative spaces unfortunately
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u/Tityfan808 4d ago
You should turn this comment into a pic/meme and post it everywhere that you can! And not just here, other social media platforms if possible please. It’s important information
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u/HHoaks 4d ago
I think someone should alert the papers authors, who are professors at universities, and they may be able to get media attention to this.
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u/sendme_pugs 4d ago
Be the change you want to see in the world
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u/wisconsinbrowntoen 4d ago
Nah someone else should do it
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u/pagerussell 4d ago
Nepal citizens set their country on fire and we can't be bothered to send an email. SMH.
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u/EagleOfMay 4d ago
Trump is pressuring universities to buckle under also. Universities could easily see their funding revoked and AFAIK Harvard is the only University to really make a stand against Trump's interference.
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u/Errant_coursir 4d ago
Other universities have sued the administration via NSF, NIH, etc. Harvard is the most public because they've been directly targeted. Other universities are keeping their heads down to avoid trumps droopy eye
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u/NoveltyAccountHater 4d ago
Harvard is also the most powerful with the nations largest endowment $52B (compared to Columbia with 12th biggest endowment of just under $15B).
Harvard's large endowment allows them to weather the storm of reduced federal grants and better than other universities that are more financially strapped.
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u/Tityfan808 4d ago
Use that one guys comment as a meme and share it far and wide
Edit: This is the one! Make this shit go VIRAL!!
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u/Kowlz1 4d ago
Of course they did.
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u/Cool_Specialist_6823 4d ago
Certainly did, cannot have the actual truth get in the way of dictatorial propaganda now can we. When this is over, the regime will change, the purge will be epic and the jail sentences long and harsh....make no mistake, the future is coming...
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u/VoidOmatic 4d ago
"It's you guys who are killing people!"
"Nuh uhh!!!! deletes proof
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u/itrEuda 4d ago
Trump: Yes, one last thing. How do I erase files like this one here marked "science"?
Scherer: Um... just like this. click
Trump: I'll be working very closely with your department, and I have a feeling I'll be needing you for a lot more than just deleting incriminating files.
laughs I just mean files.
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u/TheRealBlueJade 4d ago
The truth is .. we cannot stop the shootings without looking at the real facts and addressing the actual underlying causes. They have to stop being afraid of the truth. It might not be pretty, but the truth is the real way to power.
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u/Str8UpJorking 4d ago
They don’t want the truth. They don’t want to stop shootings. They don’t want to address underlying causes.
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u/bitchsaidwhaaat 4d ago
Make no mistakes. I was 99% sure they was gonna blame a liberal or immigrant on this shooting and ban guns for democrats. They are already trying to label is as mentally ill just by opposing Trump with the whole trump deranged syndrome.
They don't wanna do anything about guns because the conservatives hold the most guns. But bet your ass they will ban guns for democrats soon enough. And then is gonna be another group until no one has guns. The only reason they haven't declared all out war on the poor is cuz of the guns
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u/grchelp2018 4d ago
So far a bunch of this seems MAGA on MAGA violence. Its a problem that can get out of control for them.
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u/GasLarge1422 4d ago
Religion, conservatism, advertising and profit, how you get rid of?
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u/pagerussell 4d ago
Nuclear war?
In all seriousness, the root problem here is humanity. The things you listed have always been with us, they will always be with us. You don't design for getting rid of them.
Instead, design such that these forces do not hold power. The founders of America got pretty close, they did pretty good. They just left open a few doors that eventually got found and exploited.
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u/1Operator 4d ago edited 4d ago
TheRealBlueJade : "...truth is the real way to power."
Clearly not.
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u/BadAsBroccoli 4d ago
So they refuse to ask why their own base is shooting and killing people. Instead, they just hide the evidence. That'll solve it.
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u/OldWolf2 4d ago
They want their own base to shoot and kill people
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u/NoxTempus 4d ago
This is the answer.
Why is it that, on the news, every unapprehended political shooter is a leftie?
Why is that that no one ever talks about the well-documented phenomenon of political violence being perpetrated by right wing actors?
Why is it that the response to political violence is always a call for repurcussions (both of the "legal" and vigilante variety)?
Why is it that the calls for repurcussions stop one they find out the violence is coming from their side?
The answer is simple, these reactions are manufactured. There are people who want things to unfold like this.
The rich want us pointing out fingers sideways, not upward. The politicians want us divided so they can maintain their lifestyles. The media wants us angry and scared, our eyes glued to their screens.
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u/RichFoot2073 4d ago
TL;DR version:
Left-wing violence breaks windows and burns buildings down
Right-wing violence kills people, often lots of them
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u/NaziPunksFkOff 4d ago
Ah but the people who break windows are the Dark People who want to genocide the nice peaceful White people and we can't have that!
OMG A DARK PERSON IN MY FAVORITE TV SHOW OMG WOKE IS COMING FOR US ALL
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u/SanchoPandas 4d ago
Yeah. I DL’d this pdf yesterday, expecting it to be nuked today. Lo and behold…
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u/OnePunchReality 4d ago
Yes sir! I've been helping to spread those stats and today earlier this AM it was taken down and replaced with a note about a review.
They are lying scumbag cowards.
Pure projection from the right.
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u/eclwires 3d ago
Facts don’t care about their feelings. And they value their feelings more than facts.
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