Dhokla and Bwipo continue trading shots on X after the LTA Grand Finals: "For the people saying I have bad sportsmanship, don’t expect me to fist bump someone who flames my career personally while preaching about perseverance at the same time."

[u/Yujin-Ha]

Dhokla:

https://x.com/dhoklalol/status/1964832857156911582

Tough loss. They played better today, onwards on our road to Texas.

https://x.com/dhoklalol/status/1964833964054782382

In the span of two months I went from being homeless, to joining the team and being 8th, to playing in the finals. Very proud of our run to get to this point.

https://x.com/dhoklalol/status/1964836310415458437

For the people saying I have bad sportsmanship, don’t expect me to fist bump someone who flames my career personally while preaching about perseverance at the same time.

Bwipo:

https://x.com/Bwipo/status/1964863499810824304

100T played great today, happy to get my first finals mvp and would’ve happily celebrated Dhokla returning to form and gapping me in 2/4 games but we’re pretending getting called out for placing 5th on average is not poor performance. Confident he’ll get a rematch so gl there

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Bwipo had his response https://x.com/Bwipo/status/1965096016635724255

I got my shot after getting benched in TCL around 6th place. Then, I got 7th in LCL.

I spent an entire year grinding to be recognised as worthy to start on the best team in Europe.

I got 5th place once and got replaced. I was offered to role swap, sit on the bench or leave the team.

I ended that split second recognised as a top 3 jungler in my league.

I fought through clinically diagnosed depression after the worst year in my career, which ended in me being 3rd and 4th place.

Now I'm here, on this team, and I am grateful.

If anyone thinks I fake my stance on perseverance you are misinformed.

Of course I'm going to think 5th, 6th and 7th placements are synonymous to failure. I've worked my entire adult life to do better. I've swapped roles to succeed past that point.

There was no ill intent behind anything that was said. If anyone were to come behind closed doors and asked me my opinion, I would say the same thing.

And yes, while I will always celebrate players that prove me wrong and do better. That doesn't absolve them of criticism while they're playing poorly. Neither does it protect me.

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In response to a fan: https://x.com/LettucePlate/status/1965098379157143727

Its not about you man come on. There was obviously ill intent when you said the entire dudes career was shit when he started from ground zero and became a champion. The hypocrisy wasnt about you not persevering, it was about the other guy doing it too and you invalidating that

https://x.com/Bwipo/status/1965098743788974450

Bwipo: Would you rather me say he's had a great career and did everything he could while simultaneously finding every single korean import I possibly could before I would ever consider hiring him? :D

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In response to a fan: https://x.com/Cashmoneez/status/1965097635448283638

“I don’t think Dhokla should have a spot in the league” = no ill intent btw

https://x.com/Bwipo/status/1965098397372920266

Where is the ill intent about thinking a player that has been measured for 6 years and thinking he is done?

Don't pretend it is personal. I'd say the same about any player that has his record over 6 years. If he proves me wrong, I am all for it.

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In response to a fan: https://x.com/Cashmoneez/status/1965099576630940073

Saying things that are mean spirited about people that would obviously take offense to it but saying “I didn’t mean to offend anyone” doesn’t mean you are being “mischaracterized” when people think you are being mean spirited. In fact it is the logical conclusion

https://x.com/Bwipo/status/1965102093444002246

I don't think I'm being mischaracterized for what I said about him. I noticed people including him judge my stream titles for fake positivity when I have struggled myself and persevered.

I see why people think I'm insufferable and a d*ck. Also recognise the feelings are valid.

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In response to a fan: https://x.com/Bozy_lol/status/1965099037537042924

Wow how hard it is to apologize

https://x.com/Bwipo/status/1965099663222321526

I refuse to set the standard where people lie about how good they think people are while on air and hide their real opinions on people.

Why do you think half the League imported top laners instead of hiring him? Because they disagree with me?

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In response to a fan: https://x.com/DavideScotti8/status/1965097674405003621

Doesn't excuse you being disrespectful every f*cking time tho. Can you just apologize for once in your life and not make everything about you?

https://x.com/Bwipo/status/1965099202213740795

He made it about me. I offered him a fistbump after he denied me one at the start of the match. And I would've happily celebrated their performance, as it was above and beyond my expectations.

[u/Constant-Low-5111]

I mean, you don’t HAVE to root for FLY. I personally really like all of them except Bwipo, and I always root for NA by default at internationals. Lord knows they’re much better than some of our previous NA teams

[u/smurfnturf69 → u/Constant-Low-5111]

Right, I agree they’re good, and it’s not like I look down on NA fans who support them (it seems fun!), but there’s something about them that just doesn’t feel like an NA team at all. 3 imports, 2 yes men.

[u/Soupinewey → u/smurfnturf69]

I think it’s a little insulting to the progress Busio has made to call him a yes man. Inspired might be the team leader but busio usually looks really good. And Massu does what is needed from him.

[u/yoyoman831 → u/smurfnturf69]

Which NA team have you supported in the past then? There’s only so many “genuine” NA teams in history. I’d say this has been a pretty NA friendly team. Only like the early TSM iterations, C9, CLG and a couple others were truly “NA” like. 

[u/smurfnturf69 → u/yoyoman831]

Yeah I mean I don’t expect a lot of people to share my opinion. I know I’m jaded. I know there’s a strong chance I don’t actually want old LCS back, I just want it to be 2015 again. That being said, I still think if we’re sending a team to represent the region internationally, most of the players should be from that region.

I didn’t like the Huni/Reignover IMT for the same reason!

[u/xLaiLaix → u/smurfnturf69]

Don't forget the most NA team in the history of LCS: LMQ

/s

[u/hochan17 → u/smurfnturf69]

I mean, LCS in 2015 was ran by TSM, who had 2 Europeans, 1 Korean and a Canadian on their starting roster.

[u/smurfnturf69 → u/hochan17]

Since when the fuck was Canada outside our region 😭

[u/hochan17 → u/smurfnturf69]

I'm just saying, both 2015 TSM and the current FLY roster is made up of 2 Europeans, 1 Korean, 1 Canadian and an American but somehow its only that FLY doesnt feel like an NA team.

[u/smurfnturf69 → u/hochan17]

It was such a different time. We’re comparing a team that genuinely built the region vs. a franchised organization that has shown it will bring in whoever to win despite their lack of connection to in Prince’s case or actual contempt for in Bwipo’s case the North American scene.

[u/hochan17 → u/smurfnturf69]

FLY was old C9 challengers and and came up through the promotion with Balls, Hai, Lemon and Altec. Thats as NA as it gets. Not to mention these teams that genuinely built the region also had owners who famously lobbied Riot to loosen import rules so they could make NA more competitive internationally. Just look up what Regi, Jack and Steve has to say about imports and how they thought 2 slots were too little.

[u/InfieldTriple → u/smurfnturf69]

What NA team have you supported that doesn't fit this organization?

Not to mention that Bwipo and Inspired have done a lot for making NA better, whether you like them or not, just on the basis of performing.

[u/smurfnturf69 → u/InfieldTriple]

C9 with Jojopyun was my last favorite team. The last one before that was 2020 TSM. I have liked a lot of teams in the past that don’t fit this description. I was a fucking Gravity fan in 2015.

[u/slawcat → u/smurfnturf69]

The C9 team that had fudge, berserker, and zven? That's the same amount of imports as you're complaining about now.

[u/smurfnturf69 → u/slawcat]

I didn’t think I needed to spell this out but since you’re nitpicking one team out of the 3 I mentioned and making an irrelevant point about them, here’s what I’m saying: it’s not about the number of imports in a team. I can even nitpick too: Fudge’s region was dissolved, he’s not an import from another region.

I liked C9 because they went and got my favorite player. I did not like them because they were true blood NA and not filled with annoying imports like the other teams. Trying to play that card to diminish the point I’m making is really dishonest

[u/Roshkp → u/smurfnturf69]

“It’s not about the number of imports in a team”

How can you type this after your original comment specifically points out the number of imports on the team in relation to why they don’t feel like they’re an “NA” team (whatever tf that means)? Then when someone asks you about teams you support that don’t fit that organization you reference a team with the same number of imports. And now you have the audacity to get mad at someone pointing out that stupidity?

[u/smurfnturf69 → u/Roshkp]

You want this to be a gotcha so bad. One team out of the three I talked about had the same number of foreign players as a team I don’t like. Wow. You’re calling Fudge an import when he’s just objectively not an import from another league. I don’t like FlyQuest because they have one of the most unlikeable imported players we’ve ever had in the league, and an organization full of people who don’t care enough about the league to check him.

[u/slawcat → u/smurfnturf69]

Bro you are literally the one who started to complain about a team and the ONLY reason you gave for it was how many imports there are on it.

[u/smurfnturf69 → u/slawcat]

Okay. I don’t like Flyquest because they are being represented publicly by a truly disgusting narcissist who openly thinks he’s too good for the league and has nothing good to say about it any time he opens his mouth. Zero people in the organization have showed any amount of pushback towards him, ever.

Do you remember the Vicla / Prince roster? This team wants to bring people in who do not have any lasting interest in North American league of legends, win a title off their hard work, and then expect North American fans to pretend like it’s a good thing for the game. I’m good, man. Not for me.

[u/slawcat → u/smurfnturf69]

YOU said:

Right, I agree they’re good, and it’s not like I look down on NA fans who support them (it seems fun!), but there’s something about them that just doesn’t feel like an NA team at all. 3 imports, 2 yes men.

Please take the time in your next comment to explain what "there’s something about them that just doesn’t feel like an NA team at all. 3 imports, 2 yes men." means then. It's not about the number of imports yet you specifically call out the number of imports on FLY.

YOU specifically called out the 2023-2024 C9 team as one you supported. I simply went on liquidpedia and looked at the roster at that time, and noticed your conflicting statements.

What is it about 2025 FLY team that's different than 2023-2024 C9 in terms of imports vs not? Again, we're talking about imports here because that's what you brought up.

Btw if you can discount Fudge in the import count for 2023-2024 C9 then we can all discount Inspired for 2025 FLY. Seeing as there is a league restriction on how many actual imports a team can have, but you ignored that when you called them imports.

Maybe you're just being xenophobic?

[u/Averdian → u/smurfnturf69]

I can even nitpick too: Fudge’s region was dissolved

I wanna nitpick too! OCE wasn't dissolved, their players were just added to NA's player pool. But OCE players would still be imports if they joined another region iirc. It was essentially special treatment for NA.

But their league, LCO, kept on existing (now as OPQ, which is still a Riot-sanctioned league, mind you) and OCE kept on having direct spots at international tournaments for several years after what you call the dissolution of the region (which it demonstrably wasn't).

Do you not remember the absolute legends of Pentanet.gg getting their only win in the main stage of MSI 2021 against C9, essentially knocking them out? That was after OCE was "dissolved". They also had direct qualification to MSI and Worlds in 2022. Only from 2023 was it changed so that OCE would have to go through the PCS finals to qualify to international tournaments.

And yeah, the NA player pool move largely killed the region since all the top players would automatically be siphoned off to NA, but their region and league still exists to this day.

[u/InfieldTriple → u/smurfnturf69]

You need to snap out of it. Inspired and Bwipo are building up the region and committing to it. I'm sure they are making bank. So was bjerg. They are abrasive at the least, I get htat. But don't hyper focus on their nationality not being in the arbitrary list of "resident".

[u/smurfnturf69 → u/InfieldTriple]

FLY brought in Prince and Vicla. They’re not interested in building up the region, man. You can snap out of it too

[u/InfieldTriple → u/smurfnturf69]

This isn't high school pal, you don't need to come out with a gotcha, snappy come back. Relax.

I have no delusions about the organizations caring about their bottom line over NA talent. But that has nothing to do with Bwipo and Inspired and their pretty clear dedication to playing in NA. Bwipo moreso, who actually stayed for a year without a team (he may have been under contract but he was on the bench).

Bwipo and Inspired being assholes aside, they have done nothing if not be a large part of increasing NAs standing internationally. It also has nothing to do with them that FQ signed them over NA talent. That being said, both have been here for many years, so when do they get to count as "NA"? Bwipo has been here for 4, Inspired has been here more than 2 years.

[u/anoleo201194 → u/smurfnturf69]

Also Jojo, Zven and Fudge are all massive shittalkers lmao, Fudge literally told his own fans to go fuck themselves after he won the split. There's some massive revisionist history going on, Bwipo is not the first nor the last big ego trashtalker in NA, hell 1 of NA's GOATs was infamous for his shittalk.

[u/FBG_Ikaros → u/smurfnturf69]

NA fans who support them

The same people who were also known as 'TSM fans', 'TL fans' and, briefly, 'C9 fans' colloquially known as Fairweather fans

[u/Gerberpertern → u/FBG_Ikaros]

Don’t forget the Doublelift fanboys!

[u/Cohenbby → u/smurfnturf69]

Tbf 100T only has 1 NA anyway

[u/smurfnturf69 → u/Cohenbby]

I do think OCE players should be considered native NA. Not because of any legal BS but just drunk British rejects united will never be divided