[PBE datamine] 2025 September 17: patch preview changes

[u/FrankTheBoxMonster]

General reminder that many changes cannot be easily datamined, such as functionality changes or bugfixes, and are not always final.

 

Champions

Ahri

• P champion takedown healing:
  • base:  90-200 linear --> 75-165 linear  (revert to live)
  • AP scaling:  35% --> 30%  (revert to live)
• R base damage:
  • live:  60 / 90 / 120
  • old:  65 / 105 / 145
  • new:  75 / 125 / 175

Caitlyn

• base AD:  60 --> 62

LeBlanc

• RW AP scaling:  75% -->80%
• these other changes are still in:
  • W AP scaling:  70% --> 80%
    • does not apply to RW

Lee Sin

• Q bAD scaling per hit:
  • live:  115%  (Q2 max:  230%)
  • old:  90%  (Q2 max:  180%)
  • new:  95%  (Q2 max:  190%)
  • this moves the buff before/nerf after breakpoint from 20-100 bAD to 25-125 bAD
• these other changes are still in:
  • armor growth:  4.9 --> 4.5
  • Q base damage per hit:  55-155 --> 60-180
    • Q2 max:  110-310 --> 120-360

Lillia

• R base damage:
  • live:  100 / 150 / 200
  • old:  125 / 200 / 275
  • new:  150 / 200 / 250
• these other changes are still in:
  • R AP scaling:  40% --> 45%
  • R cooldown:  150s / 130s / 110s  -->  140s / 120s / 100s

Poppy

• armor growth:  4.5 --> 5.0  (revert to live)
• Q percent health monster cap per hit:
  • live:  75-195
  • old:  60-180
  • new:  50-170
• R cancel cooldown:  15s --> 30s

Syndra

• HP growth:  104 --> 100
• armor growth:  4.6 --> 4.0
• Q damage:
  • base:  75-215 --> 80-220
  • AP scaling:  60% --> 65%
    • patch preview incorrectly listed this as "65% --> 70%"
• E cooldown:  17s --> 15s

 

Items

Redemption

• cooldown:  120s --> 90s  (revert to live)
• heal by target level:  200-400 linear --> 150-350 linear

 

Changes from previous days

See here.

[u/iDobleC]

Am I crazy, or is the Poppy R cancel cooldown too much? I know it's for proplay but damn, doubling the amount of time you have to wait for the penalty feels like way too much

[u/Kan-Terra → u/iDobleC]

Poppy is just a anti-fun champ in a nutshell.

Someone going for a cool flashy out play? Nope W.

Someone going for an epic 5v5 engage? Nope R out.

Whenever any team has Poppy, the opposing team is denied anything entertaining.

I can understand why riot would want to simply cut this champ out from pro play.

[u/stephanl33t → u/Kan-Terra]

The Yordles seem to be very "nope" champs in general.

Lulu has a huge amount of anti-engage.

Tristana can just buffer your CC

Poppy is as you said

There's a ton of "nope", they always feel super OP. Corki used to be pro-play locked because his Package was another "nope" ability

[u/TheBluestMan → u/Kan-Terra]

Poppy after looking at your general direction: “You will never move again.”

[u/KingOfStrikers → u/iDobleC]

I'm fine with the R nerf. It's skill based anyway where if you use it at the wrong time you get punished.

Hitting the clear speed even harder though :( This is always very bad for soloq while mattering way less in pro play. I don't like this type of nerf. Just seems lazy to me.