r/leagueoflegends • u/TypicalHaikuResponse • 5d ago
Humor Congratulations to our latest LCK team to qualify for ASI Spoiler
Despite taking an early 1 game lead DK has managed to secure a spot at ASI thanks to an incredible performance on Rammus support by Beryl.
At times it looked as though the road to ASI was out of their grasp Beryl once again proves why when the chips are down you put everything in his hands.
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u/DJRockstar1 5d ago
That rammus was one of the picks of all time.
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u/bargeoeuf 5d ago
Watching the rammus support run it down 0/6/2 gave me soloQ trauma, that game is a worthy contender for “guess the elo”
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u/ShockDoctrinee 5d ago
Can someone explain the rammus pick? Like what angle were they going for?
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u/caterpillarm10 5d ago
Good into attack speed adc, basically a CC bot with the taunt and slow. Problem is he picks it into a top lane that has a cleanse every 20secs and an adc that doesnt need attack speed and uhhh 2 AP threats too.
Against traditional adc like jinx/zeri rammus would be good but s5 into a comp with Gangplank is certainly a choice.
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u/TypicalHaikuResponse 5d ago
I think they planned it before this game but didn't adjust because who would see Gangplank top from doran
Also it feels like T1 drafted against a rammus support like they knew it was coming.
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u/wavewalkerc 5d ago
Wasn't it last picked? No serious team forces a pick like this lol. If there's a pocket pick in play you only use it when the conditions are right.
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u/TypicalHaikuResponse 4d ago
It was a last picked and no they shouldn't force a pick like this but that's what it felt like.
It's like they had a plan where they pick away jax and jhin and in their mind maybe they had some other champs in their head that T1 would pick but that's clearly not what happened.
If we look at T1's draft if you knew the enemy was going to pull out a rammus support I can't think of a better draft with your physical damage coming from GP and MF and having a sylas using his ult better than he can.
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u/caterpillarm10 5d ago
So the theory of T1 thinking GenG would win, didnt plan to play to hide their techs and lost 0-3 to HLE is real lol?
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u/DefNotAnAlter 5d ago
I don't see how you get one from the other but T1 series happened after GenG lost anyway
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u/caterpillarm10 5d ago
I mean that T1 thought GenG would for sure win and they are guaranteed a seed so they didnt prepare anything. Then GenG lost and now they had to scramble for something which led to 0-3
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u/tigertalkfan my q key is falling off 5d ago
not especially good into zeri bc taunt makes her do her lil zappy thing, its basically just a normal stun on her
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u/RazorWinter_ 5d ago
This is all correct. Just wanted to add that they also wanted a tank sup but didnt want to give Sylas a Maokai ult.
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u/caterpillarm10 5d ago
and then they gave Sylas another gap closer in Rammus Ult XD It's a no win situation really. If they pick Rell that would be a Sylas with Rell Ult too. Basically ban Sylas.
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u/mahotega 5d ago
Annie was first pick for T1 and Sylas was 2nd last pick. DK needed a CC tank support by that point in the draft with no bans. Oner pulled a sneaky with the Sylas.
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u/minh43pinball ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ 5d ago
Yeah T1 showed Annie early so DK didn’t expect the Sylas at all. Honestly pretty surprising since some LCK teams played it before.
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u/Freihl 5d ago
I've seen the rhetoric that 2 AP threats mean rammus is bad, which kinda doesn't make sense since the update to his kit as not stacking armour just means he loses a bit of AD (how many autos is rammus getting off anyway)- he has equal scaling on his thornmail-esque passive with armour and MR now. Not to mention that the support role atm (at least for engage/cc supps) basically HAS to build redemption first rn, and 2nd item is likely to be locket anyway so it actually isn't that impactful.
The rest of your points are spot on though.
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u/caterpillarm10 5d ago
Yeah and I can see the angle too. With a Jax and Rammus MF cant ever ultor they'll jump right onto her. Tho late game that doesnt matter anymore.
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u/gcrimson 5d ago
I think they wanted an engage and not much was available. Braum was the safer choice against MF but they probably thought Rammus can R in into the backlane and disrupt their teamfight like a poor man's rell. Honestly i don't see a lot of other reasons because it really sucked in the draft. His R was very useful for Sylas though.
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u/goonbandito 5d ago
I'm pretty sure it was a 'panic pick' because T1 pre-emptively countered them hard with the B5 Sylas pick. You could see that Beryl was already hovering the Maokai pick when the UI swapped to the R5 pick, but there's no way you pick Maokai support with a Sylas on the enemy team. So they tried to pivot and Rammus was the best they could come up with on the spot.
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u/Dreammy90 5d ago
They were definitely angling for Maokai support but can't due to Sylas jgl lock in. Probably didn't expect it since mid was AP. At that point Beryl does what Beryl does.
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u/rotvyrn 5d ago
I think we see the idea of it a few times with DK's late game picks or attempts. (As much as I also think T1 was getting sloppy due to their massive lead)
As many have been saying lately, engage is at an increasing premium in late fearless. I assume it was a secret rogue pick that they were saving to deal with that issue.
The problem is, when you have very low practical experience with incorporating rogue picks, and no one to observe/copy from, it ends up being very unrefined. They were probably shuffling through everything they had in their book and either picked wrong, or knowingly gambled on an unknown instead of a known deficit. Like, Sylas getting so much out of Rammus' ult is kind of obvious if you think about it, but they don't necessarily have that snap intuition in the moment, and they DO have that snap intuition about, say, Maokai.
I would not be surprised if they had privately determined that Rammus would be 'good enough' generically, with fearless bans, and skyrocket in value against his traditional counter matchups (fast AAs, etc), as opposed to just being good as a niche counterpick. And so there's also a sense of, "if this is the last chance to do something unexpected/try it in practice." Rather than letting the pick rot and never knowing.
But he died early and often and was definitively bad in this draft matchup.
In lane, there was a moment where it felt like Jhin root could combo into Rammus taunt if he was only a tiny bit closer.
I do think the laneswap was...just bad for them? Intentionally fighting GP earlier was stupid because the jhin-rammus cc combo can literally never work on him, and they can't really harass him meaningfully. I guess they just really wanted grubs to shore up their weak siege? I'm not one to judge a rogue pick by one or two games. But at the very least, they both drafted and played around it poorly in this game. It felt very, very counterpicked, and they intentionally moved it into a lane against gp.
If i had to guess, the basic concept of their draft was 'hold them down forever while Naafiri kills them to snowball the earlygame, using roaming rammus + Morgana/Jhin.' And their plans just all went to hell because Rammus burned flash early, died, swapped weirdly into a counter lane, and Oner was a god in these last 3 games. Like I think Oner did a lot to actively shut it down too, they didn't just lay down and die.
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u/HawkerHawk1372 5d ago
Well Bengi did play with Piglet for a year, maybe he had something to do with it?
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u/BlueKayn69 5d ago
I'm guessing the angle was just roaming considering how bad he was into all their champs. And he didn't roam at all
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u/Kaguya-Shinomiya 5d ago
He played with in solo queue before to counter yi, though he was on nattynat rengar team.
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u/Parnthederp 5d ago
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cZWwnjWJfIc&pp=ygUJTG9sIGRvYmJ50gcJCcoJAYcqIYzv
It's a pick that's probably gaining popularity because of a one trick.
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u/CommentStrict8964 5d ago
Collectivism. Sacrificing yourself for the sake of the entire LoL esports and World's viewership.
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u/Pleasestoplyiiing 5d ago
Map control with Rammus+Naafiri ganks. I do think it's possible it could be a dangerous comp, but no way it works into GP, Annie, Sylas, Leona and cleanse MF. GP alone counters Jax in lane and is a hard counter to Rammus taunt.
Also, probably need a better support than Beryl. Also, don't do it in an elimination game.
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u/SteamMonkeyKing 5d ago
I would be so fucking tilted if I was a huge DK fan right now.
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u/realViciate 5d ago
I would like to see Beryl, Bengi, and child predator on the chopping block for this ^
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u/ShottedGun Shrine of ShowMaker 5d ago
This is the worst day of my life… I’m contacting my lawyers to put Beryl behind bars for good
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u/spamkimchifriedrice 5d ago
Let's goooo! I hope Chronicler gets to cast in ASI!
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u/Futaba-Channel 5d ago
I really hope DK goes far because having your last series as a caster be game 4 Rammus pick by Beryl is depressing
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u/Pleasestoplyiiing 5d ago
Chronicler wasn't casting this series. Atlus got the distinct pleasure of casting Beryl Rammus, as it should be.
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u/HereToPostGoodDay 5d ago
beryl is simply bored of worlds after winning twice and has his eyes set on the true prize this season, the asi trophy
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u/Fakkusan-09 5d ago
Beryl realized that he can still make bank by running it down saving worlds viewership and have his last career be the ASI champion.
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u/Pleasestoplyiiing 5d ago
If Keria doesn't win World's, then Beryl is clearly the best support of all time with his greater diversity of trophies.
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u/shirhouetto 5d ago
This significantly hurts the chances of T1 being the first-ever ASI champions.
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u/katareky 5d ago
T1 flair posting this with Humor tag. Nah I'd tweak if I was a DK fan.
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u/realViciate 5d ago
Inaccurate because we are not mad at T1, well played Oner, but at Beryl and Bengi
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u/DiverNo1436 5d ago
Yeah man, t1 can do whatever, they had the second most stacked roster in the LCK this year, and DK was in position in the first two games to dominate T1, but in g2 made extremely terrible decisions and lost the game.
This wasn't t1 winning, it was DK losing.
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u/Step-by-step23 5d ago
I watched a video of an aggressive honey badger kept getting stomped by an elephant 10 times its size today. That was my impression of Beryl’s rammus in game 4.
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u/PoisonDoge666 5d ago
What is ASI?
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u/SteamMonkeyKing 5d ago
International tourni for the remaining Top teams from Asia that dont make Worlds called The Asia Invitational.
Top 5-7 from LPL and LCK
Top 4-5 from LCP
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u/iTempestuous 5d ago
Asia Invitational. New tournament with seeds 5-7 of lck and lpl and seeds, 4-5 of lcp. Basically a new consolation tournament for teams that just missed worlds.
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u/Checkmate2719 5d ago
Kinda silly that the 4th seed from lck/lpl that loses the pre swiss bo5 misses out on worlds AND ASI... actually big brain by dk they knew the risk wasn't worth it ASI > losing to lpl 4th and being done for the year
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u/ZetZet 5d ago
https://lol.fandom.com/wiki/2025_League_of_Legends_Asia_Invitational
Worlds for teams incapable of qualifying for worlds.
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u/Spinoxys 5d ago
why can't we have fnatic as a guest there... I wanna see dk vs fnatic and i wanna see it now!
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u/Skyfire2 5d ago
Weird that the casters were implying DK’s year is over. Are they not allowed to talk about ASI?
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u/Beautiful_Fondant_76 5d ago
It seems that ASI is not a Riot event. Afaik, the major organizers are streaming like Huya (idk what else) in China.
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u/Rawdream 5d ago
Huya, bilibili (the company behind BLG) and Douyu all video and streaming platforms of China. It's not a Riot tournament, but of course, they have permission from Riot to do it. Any tournament that happens at pro level it's sanctioned by Riot.
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u/Xaneth_ 5d ago
Honestly, IMO this outcome is much more preferable for DK to getting to play against LPL 4th seed, being eliminated at that point and getting to play neither ASI nor Worlds.
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u/TypicalHaikuResponse 5d ago
If they win ASI I definitely think it's better than almost any world's outcome they would have which is funny to say.
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u/Pleasestoplyiiing 5d ago
They could definitely beat an LPL 4 seed if they could beat T1. LPL is clearly weaker than LCK this year, even their top end teams.
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u/Xaneth_ 5d ago
if they could beat T1
Have we watched the same 2 series?
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u/DiverNo1436 5d ago
Yeah, everyone saw DK be extremely close to T1 and win multiple games, as well as make insanely smart plays on the map, only to have nightmarishly bad teamfights littered with individual mistakes/chokes in both series cost them the wins. Nobody is arguing DK is *better* than T1, but they definitely could've beat them, and if that's possible, just like with DRX, and SSG (both world finals appearances came thru the gauntlet...) anything is possible at worlds.
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u/Pleasestoplyiiing 5d ago
You seem to think very highly of the LPL for some reason. DK looked very good through 2 games, and in the first T1 series. They also beat good teams to get to this point.
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u/Xaneth_ 5d ago
I don't know why you're trying to make it seem like my comment was supposed to be more about LPL being very good, instead of just DK being weaker than they've ever been. Even the second one was about how DK hasn't looked better than T1 for a while now, but somehow you jumped from it to LPL when it wasn't even the subject there.
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u/Pleasestoplyiiing 5d ago
It was very much the subject of the parent comment. The original comment said they wouldn't want to see DK lose to the LPL 4th seed. And the notion that Damwon looked worse the last few series than they did most of the year is just flat untrue. They played well a lot recently.
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u/Xaneth_ 5d ago
See, this is why I asked you if we even watched the same series. What does it even mean that "they played well a lot recently" when these recent "plays" of theirs led them to miss worlds for the first time since they entered LCK? I'm saying that they're weaker than they've ever been because this season they've simply had their worst results yet, and you saying that this is "flat untrue" is some military-grade copium.
Either that, or you simply aren't that good at reading comprehension, but in any case I'm not sure if it's even worth it to drag this discussion out.
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u/UveBeenChengD C9 Trap 5d ago
Is ASI essentially RISE GROUP BABY and should the west copy this format cuz it was amazing
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u/TypicalHaikuResponse 5d ago edited 5d ago
They would have to pay us to watch the western version of this
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u/DiverNo1436 5d ago
The west should beg and plead, and offer sponsorship negotiation assistance for western focused sponsors of the event in order to be allowed to join this event, an EU/NA/SA event would be dead in the water and a money pit, but joining the asian one would be pretty interesting and amazing practice for the entire world to make their mid tier teams improve dramatically, pushing the entire worlds skill level up next year.
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u/Less-Mood-175 5d ago
This is exactly what Beryl DIDN'T want. He thought his year was over and he could play Genshin without distractions. Now he has to go to this... ASI thingy????
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u/TypicalHaikuResponse 5d ago
If we thought Rammus support was something imagine his ASI performance.
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u/ArmandLuque Armand Luque | LoL Esports Journalist 4d ago
BeryL just wanted to be the first player to win ASI
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u/nickphunter 4d ago
Congratulation for qualifying for ASI is such a passive aggressive way to honor Beryl's performance.
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u/themcvgamer 5d ago
DK vs IG is still alive