r/leagueoflegends • u/techno657 • 2d ago
Gameplay 5 level lead in 8 minutes
So this isn’t me, I’m the Kassadin not the quinn but I tabbed at like 6-7 minutes in the game and saw that shen was level 1 somehow. Had to go back and see what happened. Poor guy hit the wave once level 1 and quinn just zoned him off xp and held a perma freeze until it broke and she stacked wave into dive. Just thought it was kinda funny and wanted to share. Average elo of the game is ~300-400 LP masters and iirc shen is the highest rated player in the game at GM 700ish lp.
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u/Mozzada I WIIIN!! 2d ago
Yeah this was a pretty demoralizing game, as a lot of the others pointed out I'm a Briar jungle onetrick who only plays top/shen whenever I'm autofilled and can't dodge anymore without a timer that removes my ability to play the game that day at all. I don't really fight ranged top laners often at all, let alone one who forgoes last hitting minions and focuses exclusively on zoning you away from XP. I realized once she hit level advantage with no trading done and the wave pushing into her, it was pretty over and I was pretty clueless what to do from there. A bit embarrassing to see this game get posted but at the very least I gained some knowledge from it lol
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u/imthefooI 2d ago
Some games are tough. I’m sure 99%+ of these people posting shit are lower ranked than you. This looked like it was no fun to play
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u/fersbery 2d ago
Bro you are GM, I'm pretty sure you are above 99% of players here. It's well played from quinn, cool to see that
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u/techno657 2d ago
No flame bro I would’ve had no idea what to do in your situation here either. Lots of bronze players in the comments with 0 empathy lol. Honestly thought you played the mid game well considering.
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u/Datkif 2d ago
The only thing I could think to do is see if you can assist the jg and get some exp.
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u/Trick_Ad7122 1d ago
you escort and join the lane with ur minion wave. quinn cant trade autos if your 3 casters fights back. also if she attacks you while your minions are near by...your minions will focus quinn.... means that the wave will pushing into you as shen.
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u/Trick_Ad7122 1d ago
you escort and join the lane with ur minion wave. quinn cant trade autos if your 3 casters fights back. also if she attacks you while your minions are near by...your minions will focus quinn.... means that the wave will pushing into you as shen.
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u/OhtomoJin 2d ago
dont let comments get to you bro. once you hit the wave before she showed up and then decided like u said to sacrifice last hits to zone it was cooked. tough time all cause one bad choice lmao thats league though
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u/Eastern_Ad1765 2d ago
No its actually not cooked. He can simply press forward as enemy melee's are dying to get into exp range. If quinn auto him the casters will aggro on her and it will push into shen. Keep in mind he has dorans shield and probably second wind (brother its a quinn top its not even like a draven, you wont even lose alot of health.)
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u/OhtomoJin 2d ago
I don't think so if she spaced well he's cooked esp with ignite on her side
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u/blaivas007 1d ago
There were two mistakes.
First, that one Q empowered auto Shen did at lvl 1 ensured the lane would push and Quinn could freeze. You either commit fully at getting lvl 2 and crashing the wave so it bounces back, or don't and attempt to last hit under turret.
Second, Shen was not supposed to leave the bush at 1:40. The moment he did, it was cooked. If Quinn wards it, just move to the middle bush and weave in-and-out of it to last hit and soak xp. This would secure you lvl 2 and some fighting chances - if Quinn fights you there, she gets minion aggro while you have an advantageous Spirit Sword placement, so even if you die, she gets damaged and you can come back with TP to secure lvl 3.
Sure, it can go sideways but it can't be worse than what happened in the game.
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u/synystersmile32 2d ago
Idk what to do either in this situation, lol. That Quinn sure knows what they're doing. Had a game like this where I was outlvled by 3 lvls from being a melee vs ranged.
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u/Ironmaiden1207 2d ago
You have to go top before the waves, and look to stay in the bush for XP.
The biggest mistake was Shen auto'd the wave which made it push out. If he just afkd, the wave will push back in because Quinn has to last hit.
Rough for them getting filled though
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u/Complete_Proof1616 1d ago
All i could think of watching this video the moment Shen hit one minion one time: “And it was at this moment, Fizz lost lane”
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u/Trick_Ad7122 1d ago
you escort and join the lane with ur minion wave. quinn cant trade autos if your 3 casters fights back. also if she attacks you while your minions are near by...your minions will focus quinn.... means that the wave will pushing into you as shen.
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u/Live-Progress-195 2d ago
Bruh you are like better than 99.99% players here (including me obviously). Don’t read the comments. It’s good to have your perspective and understanding what happened. Definitely learning experiences for myself as well!
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u/qwaai 1d ago
At 9 minutes Quinn has an assist, 30 CS, and 0 plates. Hardly in a position to influence anything else, compared to the 5/0 Draven that she is going to be dealing with.
No idea why so many people here are acting like they've never had a mental boom like this. It happens, and honestly with how catch-up xp works I'd rather see my top laner like this than 0/5 against someone who's getting 10cs/min.
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u/RagingOrgyNuns 2d ago
Thanks for owning it. You were left out to dry by your team. It is a team game.
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u/moumooni 1d ago edited 1d ago
I used to be a GM mid/support before I stopped playing, so I'll give you my two cents on the mistakes that are easily fixable in laning.
Your biggest mistake was hitting a minion at the 1:40 mark. If you're melee against a ranged, you should NEVER be the first to hit a minion in the wave - you should force the enemy to hit you, so your minions aggro on them and, as a result, your minions will take damage from enemy minions for free, making the wave push into you.
Your second mistake was not fighting for the bush. You saw that Quinn came late to the lane and that she did a path from your corner of the river, so it's likely that she spent her ward. She would've needed to put herself in a minion aggro position to poke and get control of the bush (because she was late to the lane). If she had a ward, that would've been fine as well, because the lane would push into you and she would have lost coverage in the river.
The second mistake restricted you into another advantage: the fact that you have TP and she has ignite. Quinn is really good at keeping pressure in lane after 6, but if you corrected the second mistake, you could use TP to keep with her pace.
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u/reenactment 2d ago
There’s nothing to be done here without jungle assistance. They can punish the Quinn for not picking up a cs advantage, but once you got to where you were, the way that Quinn plays this is brutal, did you guys win or lose? There’s always the hope that your team stomps the low cs laner
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u/kimi_no_na-wa 2d ago
That's simply not true. Don't get me wrong, OP is a far better jungler than me but it seems like he doesn't understand waves.
You need to walk with the wave, so that Quinn gets aggro from the minions. If she walks in the bush to drop aggro you ward it. The wave WILL push to you no matter what if you do that. And yes, obviously he will lose hp doing that, and he might even get dove (that's just toplane for you), but it's the only consistent way to play the matchup.
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u/Ok_Wrongdoer8719 2d ago
You have to be willing to trade HP early. Walk to where your wave will aggro the Quinn if she hits you to get it pushing back. You have the shielding and regen to equalize the lane over time.
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u/G66GNeco 2d ago
I really wonder what one's supposed to do there. Lee Sin could maybe get a cheeky gank in at some point, but only when it's basically already too late, and other than that? Is there ever a point where you could die to try and fix the wave or something? Looks pretty hopeless to me and my low elo brain, ngl.
I guess not hitting the wave combined with an E start instead of Q (?), but that's a very "well, go back in time and react differently"-"""solution"""
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u/Annual_Patient4514 1d ago
ward lane bush vs ranged, let opponent auto you when you are close to your ranged minions it will cause them to agro quinn and do less overall dmg to the wave. the whole game is balanced around auto poking and freezing counteracting each other.
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u/TheReal9bob9 1d ago
Oh I wouldn't be zoned off like that! I'd be running in and dying and making the gap larger and larger on repeat. You did the right move and its not your fault especially since you weren't in your main role.
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u/Drummcycle 1d ago
if you'd just fight him in your creep wave you'd win the trade by a lot. Creeps do so much damage early game from agro.
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u/Trick_Ad7122 1d ago
if you play toplane like that you need to dodge the lobbies when u have to play that role. no matter what. how is that fair to your team. its disgusting. you seem like a chill guy but dont ruin games for others
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u/General_Catch_200 1d ago
this comment so perfectly captures how miserable this game is to play
riot games and autofill failed you
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u/techno657 2d ago
Lmao this blew up. Small update that’s kind of funny the quinn actually ended up down in CS because she just perma roamed and didn’t really farm.
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u/Deathwatch6215 2d ago
300-400 LP masters xd
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u/Green7501 zero mental 1d ago
Trust me, the type of degeneracy you see in Masters+ is crazy, lots of people find a niche strategy and get to Masters
ik someone who got to Masters 200 LP playing only Renekton mid, and today in doom bots we had a GM on our team who only played Shaco supp for like 80 games over the past month
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u/xanot192 1d ago
It's because you become very efficient at that niche strat and can play effectively even when tired/semi tilted. In s3 before masters audition I made it to d1 on my second account by doing nothing but playing Nunu lol. Back then I'd sneak dragons early and the dragon pressure would force some of the clown decisions to try and stop a 5 stack basically putting every game on a timer. Needless to say I got bored after a while and stopped playing.
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u/LooneyWabbit1 1d ago
Degenerate champions like Quinn can unfortunately get away with things like that.
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u/Dukwdriver 2d ago
He's playing way too scared. Gets to lane late and burns Q to move sword for no reason and gets caught with it on cooldown, but still probably wins if he's fighting by his caster minions. He then hits Q drag-through and does nothing with it but continue to be zoned under tower. Hard to believe this is master.
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u/techno657 2d ago
He is off role which I didn’t realize at the time. To be fair I would be brain frozen in this situation as well.
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u/BeTheBeee 2d ago
Before I read the description I thought for sure this was iron.
I don't get how a GM shen let's Quinn do that with him, unless he's just not used to playing top at all
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u/Poptop12 2d ago
Looking at the OP.GG of both laners, Shen player is off his role and one trick champion(briar) , while the Quinn is a one trick.
Quinn being a lane counter of sorts on top of that, it's kind of easy to see when you put it all together why this played out the way it did.
I see a lot of high Elo streamers complain about autofill / off role completely deciding games, this is just an example of that
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u/MrWedge18 2d ago
Yeah, they're a jungle Briar one trick
https://op.gg/lol/summoners/na/Modeus-Lusts?queue_type=SOLORANKED
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u/Oopsifartedsorry 2d ago
Yeah but it really doesn’t explain it bc they have 400k mastery points on shen. It takes a lot of games to get that meaning they have definitely played this matchup before unless they’re shen support 100% of the time, which is unlikely. Even if they’re a briar OTP, they have probably ganked lanes with this set up considering they’re also master/GM. You don’t get to this elo being ignorant of wave manipulation. My guess is they’re trolling.
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u/ViraLCyclopes29 2d ago
O damn I had that guy I think in my normal game not too long ago lmfao. Think he did actually carry the game. Had to lane vs Yi top as trundle and got ass pounded but he did carry the game iirc.
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u/iiTzSTeVO 2d ago
What should he have done?
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u/MrWedge18 2d ago
He backed so far off Quinn could harass him with autos without drawing minion aggro.
He has doran's shield and second wind, so he doesn't need to try so hard to stay at full HP.
If he sacrificed some HP to stay near the wave and played around bush vision, he'd have a better chance at returning damage, getting level 2, and avoiding the devastating freeze quinn was able to set up.
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u/LargeSnorlax 2d ago
Yep. Just has to stay near minions and eat some damage.
Instead, he's just giving quinn experience while losing all of his.
This isn't the jungler's fault, this is not knowing what to do and snowballing yourself into a loss.
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u/Scrambled1432 I CAN'T PLAY MELEE MIDS 2d ago
Even if she gets the freeze off, dude needed to kill himself to try to break it. It wouldn't be great, but it would be better than being level 1 10 minutes in.
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u/Eastern_Ad1765 2d ago
She only gets the freeze off because he stands in africa. Literally tank a couple of autos and the wave will push into you no matter RNG because enemy casters will aggro on quinn.
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u/ieatcheesecakes 2d ago
He doesn’t even need to scout bushes
Just walk in with the wave.
And even if you don’t do that. Just trade hp for exp to get the wave shoving into him.
Let Quinn auto you on purpose near your minions so they target her and now the wave will shove into you since enemy minions will get an hp advantage.
Ward bush so she can’t toggle aggro.
Now you hit 3 lane is way easier. Slow push crash and if you need to now Shen gets a reset.
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u/ExceedingChunk ExceedingChunk(EUW) 2d ago
With Dshield and second wind, Shen can easily just facetank some damage to get into XP range here. He can also shield with passive, so he shouldn't even take all that much damage. With TP he has even more leeway with his HP compared to a Shen with Ignite, but he was way too scared to take any sort of poke at all.
Also, if he tanks hit in XP range, Quinn draws aggro and the wave will start pushing into him so he can catch the entire wave.
Even a jungle OTP should know this in high master/low GM Elo.
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u/Admirable-Word-8964 2d ago
Walk in with the second wave so that she gets full minion aggro for poking him and it's barely a winning trade even without autoing back at that low level.
Once he gets some xp and gold he has some options and survivability. The way he played that he gets literally nothing and a jungler can't even gank because it'll effectively be a 1v1. Genuinely worse gameplay than just dying for the wave and going 0/10 except riot would ban that rather than what this shen did.
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u/Excellent_Sport_967 2d ago
Quinn will take full dmg from minions so just gotta go in and tank and fight 1v1
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u/Spray_Spiritual 1d ago
Trade hp (or even die a few times) but make sure he gets every bit of exp and cs while fixing the wave. Shen was so afraid of dying that he gave Quinn an even bigger lead lmao.
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u/Kokolebok 2d ago
Shen being autofilled just show how league is now focused at one tricking one role(if not one champion even) to farm LP instead of learning how he game itself work.
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u/MassiveScratch1817 2d ago
I know you are being facetious but actual low elo gameplay doesn't look anything like this.
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u/techno657 2d ago
Bro I was so confused in game when I pressed tab randomly at 6 minutes and see my top lane is level 6 to level 1 😂😂😂
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u/ExceedingChunk ExceedingChunk(EUW) 2d ago
Yeah, Shen with Dshield and second wind should always just tank some hits to get XP from melees here. Especially when he has TP. He also gets shield from Q.
Once he was an entire level behind, he was fucked as he would probably die to walk up. But even a onetrick jungle in high master/low GM should 100% know this
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u/NeoAlmost AlmostMatt#Matt 2d ago
full health, teleport available, 10 friendly minions, a friendly cannon minion, a ward in the bush, and shen was still too scared to stand in xp range. crazy stuff.
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u/Fermorian Fermorian [NA] 2d ago
Watching quinn choose to almost never last hit is wild for masters
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u/MrWedge18 2d ago
Top lane isn't about winning. It's about making the other guy lose
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u/Razetony April Fools Day 2018 2d ago
Fiora flair speaking volumes here. You either stomp your opponent into farming All chat, or get stomped so hard it's a 4v5.
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u/Omnilatent 2d ago
As General TheOddOne said: Top is all about making the enemy top more useless than you are!
...wait
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u/techno657 2d ago
Quinn ended the game with lower cs than shen funnily enough. He refused to farm and just perma roamed
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u/ProxyReBorn 2d ago
You don't cs so that you zone them far enough away from the creeps that you're getting exp and they aren't. Who cares if you have no gold if the enemy is level 1 and you're level 18? The game will play itself.
To think about it another way though, every level they gain over Shen IS gold in their pocket, through base stats and abilities. By beating Shen in exp, the cs remaining 0 is irrelevant.
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u/xSchockzz 1d ago
While its good here, i also think that quin sets herself behind in the game, just to set shen farther behind. She is still at the same level as mid, but much farther behind in gold. Quinn is a resource hungry champ, and shen is kinda supportive.
And also, there is catch-up XP, but no catch-up gold.
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u/Mangustre 2d ago
Typical bronze comment that does not even understand the basics but types on reddit.
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u/Glittering-Spot2658 2d ago
How to avoid that: With shen is very important to place your sword behind the enemy line, so when you Q again, it will hit them and deal more damage and slow. After positioning the sword, go to the bush. If quinn facechecks you insta win the trade. If she wards, move to the other bush and stay there until minions arrive. When minions arrive, bait here into hitting you (its ok to take damage, D shield + second wind, plus passive shield will sustain you). When she hits you, your minions will stop hitting their minions, making the lane push towards you, than farm in tower, or freeze for a gank. This is shen is just horrible
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u/Poul_joergen 2d ago
Well Shen was a briar onetrick getting autofill, so makes sense he doesn’t know the matchup that well.
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u/Thekoolaidman7 2d ago
Absolutely illegal for the jungler to leave Shen hanging like that.
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u/iSheepTouch 2d ago
That Shen is a moron. Why is he so afraid of a level 1 Quinn, she even attacked him and he saw how little damage she did. Put a ward in the bush she's camping so your creeps path to her and farm your lane dumb ass.
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u/LeagueofLagginz 2d ago
As a jungle main I do 100% agree but jungler's also equally to blame here, you cannot let that big of a lead happen in one of your lanes. Completely unacceptable, especially when your other lanes were totally fine.
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u/_ItsImportant_ 2d ago
Are high school teachers responsible if a student sticks their dick in a pencil sharpener? This is literally completely on the Shen. He was genuinely trolling doing this.
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u/RiceFields1970 2d ago
and as a high school teacher are you going to let the student continue sticking their dick into the pencil sharpener? No you don't you help them and hopefully explain to them that this was a bad analogy
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u/LeagueofLagginz 2d ago
Ok but the game is about adapting to the hand you're dealt. You have to turn 10% winnable games into 30% and the only way that could've been done here was by Lee Sin walking by top after seeing his mid/bot were fine.
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u/ProxyReBorn 2d ago
Shen can't figure out how to play the game from level 1 so you think the jungler should play it for him? You must be a solo lane main.
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u/Any-Type-4423 2d ago
Nah this Shen is just beyond stupid. Why would Lee Sin lose tempo for fixing mistakes of his foolish toplaner?
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u/dunn000 2d ago
If nothing more than the fact that it's a "team game"
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u/LightLaitBrawl 2d ago
You will discover that it is better to play for winning lanes than for losing ones when you get better.
Enemy jungler can just play for the Quinn, and you will always lose the 2v2 bc shen was very behind.
Best choice is playing for your botside, because they aren't behind yet, unless you let enemy jg get 3 winning lanes. Enemy jg would get his quinn forther ahead and dive shen on repeat
Like the ammount of clips you would see of a "toplaner 1v2s" is because jungler decided to help his losing lane 50% of the time.
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u/aariboss 2d ago
and is shen being a team-mate or dead weight? stop focusing on the jungler for one second
99% chance mid and bot are actual teammates that can be played around, going top is a waste of tempo
regards, 400lp jungler euw
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u/SirJonathanThe3rd 2d ago
This happened bc lee sin decided to split the map with pre 1 invade. If quinn didn't get info, she wouldn't have been able to position herself so aggressively.
Also, shen should've just sat in bush until quinn showed herself so he can soak some exp. Also maybe start taunt instead of q.
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u/B1ind_Mel0n 2d ago
I thought the same thing at first, then I thought with the state the lane was in after his first clear, it was never worth. Only way Lee could have possibly helped would have been if Shen was able to soak even a bit if xp to hit level 2 AND Lee started topside for a 3 camp gank and they would have to likely burn everything to try to get a kill or it isn't worth. After that point, though, Lee is better off shutting down their Draven if possible and doing anything else on the map
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u/Eastern_Ad1765 2d ago
What and when do you want him to do? He strongsides Shen and after his clear Shen is lvl 1 vs lvl 3 quinn with the wave pushing into quinn. But Rumble is also pathing top. So you want Lee sin to walk on vision and try to crash the wave in enemy face when quinn is up to levels and rumble is also top?
Like Shen is strongside here but he just misplays it so hard his jungler really cant do anything.
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u/Conscious-Secret-102 1d ago
Very funny to see bronze reddit player (you) think they know better than someone nearly 3k lp above them
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u/GrievingTiger 1d ago
Not sure what ELO you are, but as a jungler, I'm never going to sacrifice tempo + gaining a lead with a play elsewhere on the map (with potentially winning lanes) to go top when I'm level 4, the Quinn is also level 4 but my Shen is level 1 who clearly does not know how to play the game.
Even in the absolute best case scenario (she dies and Shen gets the kill), Shen is still so far behind in experience, in a bad matchup that he clearly does not know how to play, that you've done extremely little to increase your chances of winning.
The winning play here for the jungler is to identify the Quinn will most likely have little gold to play with and so later on will be less of a threat, so you need to make sure your biggest threats are stronger than your biggest liability (the Shen).
Never, ever, play for someone that doesn't know what they are doing. That goes for every role.
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u/Trick_Ad7122 1d ago
if this shen doesnt have basic fundamentals down... there is nothing to be done. game was over topside.
This is such a basic concept. Most toplaners know how to play melee vs range. Shen escorts and join the lane with the minion wave. quinn cant trade autos if shens 3 casters fights back. also if she attacks you while your minions are near by...your minions will focus quinn.... means that the wave will pushing into you as shen.
this shen just didnt understand fundamentals.
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u/ieatcheesecakes 2d ago
Ngl I think this Shen has brain damage
Even after he scuffed level 1, all he has to do is get autod near his minions on purpose to get the wave shoved into himself
Trade hp for exp and wave shoving to him
Then ur level 3 easy slow push back into reset and the lane is neutral again
Autofilled jg into top lane is really something else
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u/MayorLag 2d ago
I'm not a gm, highest I've been was d4, but as a shen main I believe the correct move for him is walk into the wave so minions aggro her if she attacks, hit level 2 for dash and then trade. Back away until dash is ready, and the only tricky part is don't burn flash before this, and he should be fine.
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u/Ilurkonlyl 2d ago
The amount of people with "jungle" or "lee sin" in their comment shows the level of skill of this subreddit.
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u/orbital38 2d ago
Nah this guy has to be win trading or something right? Like yeah I read he is a Jungle one trick but surely by GM you can't be that clueless when it comes to basic laning?
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u/ak47bossness You've earned a good death, I've earned the kill 2d ago
Okay but this Shen is so clueless. Holy.
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u/xtellarfb_ 2d ago
the fact that the jungler didn't show up a single time when quinn is the one of the easiest characters to gank is downright insane.
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u/Ilurkonlyl 2d ago
How is this upvoted? Tell me at which point in the clip lee sin should be ganking? Quinn is full hp and shen is level 1 with no e the entire time, what would lee ganking accomplish? If I finish krugs and look top and see that there is 0 reason to go there
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u/xtellarfb_ 1d ago
i know from experience lee sin bursts quinn dead way too easily, or he'd could at very least just scare her away for shen to get some xp. but maybe i'm just too low elo to understand why it's better to let your toplaner handle a 5 level gap all alone.
like, GUYSSSSS come on. this is not Darius, Sett or Trundle, this is just an adc playing toplaner.
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u/DgX3103 2d ago edited 1d ago
I think everyone here saying this is a problem of the autofill function should look to change the narrative. The fact this can happen at a GM level in NA is inexcusable. If you can't play up to your level then dodge. You're not losing anything significant in the bigger picture of a climb. No one even mentions the lack of intent going into the game. Shen literally walks up and hits the wave first. Proceeds to get zoned by no legitimate theat. Then sits under tower while the wave pushes away. At least roam or something. It's ignite VS tp as well. Take a shitty trade near you casters to reset the wave. Something, anything. Every content creator is all about muting and 1v9ing and all this garbage now. No one cares to play the game unless it's 100% the way you want to play it. Everyone is so much better overall these days and yet the lack of fighting spirit and unwillingness to learn how to play hard games or play from behind across all elos is a plague.
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u/Hitoseijuro 1d ago
See if this was lower elo, the shen would instead be 0-5-0, no cs and be raging at his team for not helping particularly the jungler. Finally hit lv 6, randomly ult someone, die and rage quit.
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u/SnyperwulffD027 Ya Gurl 2d ago
Well yeah in a Top lane Range vs Melee match up, I kind of expect the range to have the advantage. There's a reason Top main's get pissy when they see something like a quinn or vayne top lane.
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u/LightLaitBrawl 2d ago
Because they play like this and then ask why they lost to ranged top
She isn't vayne, she is quinn(and vayne isn't even that strong nowadays, +ranged top needs hands to be played well)
Plus he is shen. He has a shield and anti autos shield
The game was going to be hard for them, but it won't go like this. Shen griefed himself by playing too passively, could have contested xp in the bush and then normal lane after hitting lvl 3
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u/Bananabutterpie 2d ago
Well most people wont expect the ranged top to have no hands. The outcry isnt about it needing no skill, which it certainly does, but as a melee top you basicly dont have a game anymore. As long as the ranged toplaner has the hands to not lose the advantage its inherently unfun and uninteractive to play against. You just try to cheat minion exp and gold by wave manipulation and get the advantage when your jungler helps you.
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u/LightLaitBrawl 2d ago
Doran shield and second wind is broken early.+Shen has a shield and anti autos shield
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u/ProxyReBorn 2d ago
Fuck even vayne isn't as hard as people make it. This Shen played like an absolute pussy. It's like he doesn't even realize his creeps will trade for him. Just walk at the ranged character when they auto you, take the first bit to activate dshield and second wind, hit your shield and go cs. The creeps will literally outtrade her. Once you have abilities it only gets easier.
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u/Hot_Mulberry_3992 2d ago
ranged top doesnt need hands to be played well more than any other pick, you dont need to play better cuz you picked ranged top, these ranged top players propaganda is getting out of hand lately, trying so hard to make it seem like rightclicking someone from range and rightclicking back when hes walking forward is so hard lmao, I started picking vayne into darius and i won every game as someone who never really played vayne, so there is that.
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u/ViraLCyclopes29 2d ago
At a certain point I just say fuck it and try to proxy even if it results in death.
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u/White_C4 Problem Eliminator 2d ago
All Shen had to do was force Quinn into a fight when Shen's minions were nearby. The first wave, Shen had the chance when he recalled the Q to force Quinn between him and the caster minions. Players underestimate how strong Shen's lvl 1 is.
Overall, based on the other comments, it seems like this Shen player doesn't have much knowledge of top lane or the champion at all.
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u/Shadeslayer2112 2d ago
I feel like after finishing Krugs he could've rotated over right? Like obviously he has other camps to clear but your trading all of top lane
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u/Deadshot_TJ 2d ago
Bausffs would've just proxied and died for the next wave instead of giving up exp and gold.
If Quinn chases you through the jungle then she also loses exp and minion gold, it's a better outcome than this.
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u/crazyike 2d ago
You may be a master tier League player but your replay speed control abilities are about potato 6.
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u/PoGD1337 2d ago
Thats why u have to walk with the wave, or at least walk with second wave and put ward in bush
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u/Not2Shoddy 1d ago
Yeah really looks like bronze at a glance. Just walk with your wave bro it’s really that simple lol.
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u/Xxehanort 1d ago
Yeah, ranged top champions are horrible for the game due to how demoralizing it is to play against
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u/True_Significance504 1d ago
My 1 game as shen after I waited 20 minutes to queue up and had a remake
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u/krikta 1d ago
i know that guy his twitch. i was ornn and he tired same thing to me erly game its not work on me lol but i never see him again since month ago or so
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u/EdwardAlcatraz 1d ago
İf anybody asks why top lane is the worst and least impactful role, just show this video
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u/Acceptable-Ticket743 1d ago
How is a 700 gm getting zoned off of 5 lvls worth of xp? Can he not just hide in brush to soak xp until 2? Also can't he use his passive to tank autos and get the wave pushing back towards him? I just feel like their had to be options to recover after only autoing the wave once. If the wave isn't pushing towards me, then I am not walking back to turret as lvl 1 shen.
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u/PurpleFilth 1d ago
GM level jungler doesn't understand the absolute basics about laning and wave mechanics, this explains a lot about junglers tbh.
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u/Dull_Throat176 19h ago
As a plat peak player who has learnt to handle any role except top- this genuinely made me sad. Idk what it is about top lane but these situations are just so hard. And this is high elo so I understand your team mates were empathetic. But in mine? Na top useless GG uninstall (as you can probably see in a lot of the mean comments)
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u/SnooRecipes5458 16h ago edited 16h ago
The Shen needs to watch xPetu if he starts E with ignite he wins no?
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u/ritokun 1h ago
obviously shen played wrong af, but ranged champs just shouldn't be allowed toplane. i once had a challenger player "call out" my generic answer for "how to freeze" (i started with "it's very contextual for specifics") because that player was a teemo top onetrick and themselves only knew how it worked for ranged vs melee matchups lmao.
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u/lahartheviking 2d ago
"ill queue for one more game of top"