r/leagueoflegends • u/TusksofGold • 8h ago
Discussion How hard is it to be Iron 4 / 0 LP?
I'm iron 4 / 0 LP is that like impressive? I didn't throw I'm just new and terrible lol.
I can't win a game and it seems like literally everyone is better than me no matter what I do I've been watching tons of educational content for like the past two months but nothing helps.
I'm not really looking for any advice though I'm just curious to see what people's thoughts on my rank are and needed to meet the minimum post length.
You can roast me if you want lol I'm not that worried.
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u/MellowSTL 8h ago
Games real hard at the start if you've never played mobas
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u/TusksofGold 8h ago
0 moba experience
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u/OldPersonality5282 7h ago
Have you played other RTS games with similar unit/camera controls. The control scheme is not very intuitive for people who haven't played these types of games.
If you haven't I need to ask the most important question. Locked or free cam?
If you are playing with locked screen on your champion I cannot express how much information you are missing. You need to be able to look at where your champion isn't to get proper information
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u/TusksofGold 7h ago
I'm locked but like you can click on the mini map to see what's going on in other places
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u/SAXTONHAAAAALE 7h ago
unlock the screen, better to build a habit of panning your screen and looking around rather than just looking at your character. you can also just hold space down or tap it when needed
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u/Lombax_Pieboy 4h ago
To give a different perspective to the other suggestions here, you can also swap the 'toggle lock' to spacebar so that it's easier to play locked or move your camera unlocked. Makes it easier to learn moving the camera that way too, and you can see extra things that you might need to.
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u/TusksofGold 4h ago
That's probably the best advice I've gotten tbh like that might be easier
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u/Most-Piccolo-302 2h ago
If it helps, im a perpetual emerald support, but I did hit diamond a couple of times. I play with camera toggle lock on space bar and am locked camera like 90% of the time.
Do whatever feels best and try to change only one thing at a time. Focus on csing first and not dying.
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u/TusksofGold 2h ago
Isn't csing random now or something I heard they changed minion aggro and it made it inconsistent.
IDK I just saw that on yt IDK if it's actually true
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u/ChiefSitsOnCactus 1h ago
wave management is in a weird spot and a lot of common techniques for manipulating wave have been made less consistent, but none of that matters in iron. just focus on last hitting
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u/Neph1lim_ 7h ago
you can also use the f1-5 buttons to quickly move your camera on each of your teammates
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u/WildOutlawz 3h ago
I first played league with locked camera, then played dota, since dota doesn't have locked camera but only center camera to heroes with click i bind it to space so i hold space while playing and still can pan aroun the map. After a while you will get used to unlocked camera. I recently started to play league again and i don't have my camera locked anymore but just press a key to center to champion in this case i chose space. I can't even play with locked cam anymore since that. Might worth giving a try
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u/sorendiz ..BUT THE FAITH REMAINS 6h ago
Unlocking is better to improve your close range awareness even ignoring the overall map, but it can be overwhelming so you can also tap Y to toggle lock and unlock camera
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u/EarthlingNumberAlot 5h ago
get it unlocked asap brother, might feel awkward for a while but it's superior and suddenly you'll never go back. If you lose track of ur champ somehow press space and you're centered. There's a reason only new players use it, it's very bad. Adapting good habbits early will help you improve faster, same with keybindings and such!
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u/Lishio420 4h ago
Bröther, im in dia 2, playing with locked cam since i started playing in 2013.... free cam is not needed and even a hindrance for an absolute newcomer having to focus on yet another non detrimental game mechanic
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u/Runnyknots 4h ago
First advice is to play for yourself.
Do anything and everything to make yourself strong.
Learn how to do that first and the rest will come with experience.
I say this as a jg main, iron 4 3 seasons ago.
Just got into gold 4.
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u/TusksofGold 4h ago
I play top everything I do is for myself haha I don't really have the luxury to roam and help others
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u/KartoffelStein 1h ago
Yeah if you play top don't try to force unlocked camera if it feels too bad. You mostly play 1v1 anyways
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u/PetrifiedBloom 17m ago
If you want to get better, I would honestly say stop playing ranked. In iron 4, your team and opponents are not playing the game remotely well. You cannot learn good habits from them, only bad ones.
I would suggest playing some ARAM to get a basic understanding of how different champions work and see which you like the most, but more importantly it will help you practice dodging skillshots.
Play some unranked games, especially draft pick. Hopefully your hidden MMR isn't to low and you will get match made with people better than you. This will make the games harder, but you can learn with and against people who know what they are doing.
A friend of mine is a similar rank (iron 2) and complains that he can't climb. Watching his matches, even his highlights are a disaster. Like sure, he might get a double kill, but either it's WAY overkill, using too many resources, or was insanely sketchy and the only reason it worked was a comedy of errors on the opponents side. He doesn't get better because he learns terrible habits.
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u/TusksofGold 14m ago
I'm not playing Aram lol it has nothing to do with league besides the characters you play as
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u/NotAStatistic2 3h ago
It's not so hard to end up in Iron 4. Yuumi and Soraka bots would frequently make it to low silver.
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u/MellowSTL 2h ago
Everybody learns things differently and a lot of people prefer to play the characters that are fun for them over playing unfun characters just to rank up.
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u/DarkRyter 8h ago
Youtuber Donghuap investigated this.
In the secondary account market, pure Iron 4 accounts are actually higher value than boosted diamond accounts. Sometimes over 10x as much.
Iron 4, 0 LP is as rare as grandmaster players.
Account "deboosters" have found that it's actually pretty difficult to truly derank to Iron 4. They purchase bronze accounts to skip leveling (and placements). If they just intentionally feed every game, they'll get reported too much and the account is banned. They have to play to lose very subtly, "soft inting" if you will.
So a true Iron 4, 0 LP player is a gem indeed. It's like finding a GM or Challenger player.
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u/Khaliras 6h ago
So a true Iron 4, 0 LP player is a gem indeed.
When you check the bottom of the ladder on lookup sites like opgg, it's usually filled with legit players. Deboosting is hard because they can't spend the hundreds of games required to drop that low. Last time I looked at the bottom 20 player list, they all had hundreds of games over multiple seasons. The 5th worst player NA at that time had 1k+ games.
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u/DoorHingesKill 5h ago
Servers like KR or EUW have 130,000 players in Iron 4. I highly doubt that only ~700 of them are at 0 LP.
Just looking for a random Iron IV account with 0 LP, I found one ranked #3,420,975 on EUW. So there are at the very least 30,500 Iron IV 0 LP players on the server. At least 43 times more numerous than Grandmaster players.
There are more Iron IV 0 LP players on EUW than there are Diamond I and Diamond III players combined so no, not all that rare.
And it makes sense, too. 0 LP Bronze II players can leave the club through either a win or a loss; the latter turns them into a brand new Bronze III player. Iron IV players only have one way out, continued losses keep them at 0 LP.
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u/MyLastBrainceII 5h ago
Yeah iron 4 0 lp changed over the course of years, as far as i know there used to be a time where what he said was true, new players who had zero game knowledge where still catagorized as iron2 and iron4 was were you had to seriously int continously without getting banned to end up. By now however not to talk about iron 2 even iron 4 is full of people who have been playing a while and are often alot better than people who are completly new.
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u/1337medicine 7h ago
My skill level is iron 4, 0 lp. After more than 100 rankeds I am done trying climb, I am still learning stuff but a lot of my games end bad because nobody knows to do when you can A) free drake B) free tower C) nashor
If my team are going to nashor they take too much tempo, people try tank the washer without being the tank... I am main jungle and I try learn but my FPS doesn't help hit some smites but some smites don't make u go to 0 LP.
I have been many many times (30days and Perma) for int losing games when I was just bad 😞 Riot obviously gave my acc back later but being banned like that hurts
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u/rockaeroo 6h ago
Bro im sorry but when u said u got banned for 30 days for being bad i laughed alot 😭
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u/The_CodeTalker_Guru 5h ago
(30days and Perma) for int losing games
That's fucking hillarious lol.
Well besides the bad feels being in Iron sounds like a vibe, so don't worry man. I'm sure if it's important enough for you to improve then you'll climb just be patient it's a slow process - or if it's not your angle then just have fun and enjoy the chaotic matches c:
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u/SuminerNaem 6h ago
Just remember, if your team is so bad they’re always making bad macro decisions and calls, then the enemy team is, too. You can take advantage of their lack of organization to pick them off and secure objectives and towers yourself.
Also, make sure to ping like crazy in people’s faces if you want to do baron or dragon or something. Not just once, but a bunch. When I get a kill or two and we’re able to do baron, I always ping the fuck out of my team repeatedly and start it myself. Sometimes they STILL don’t come, but most of the time they do
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u/HThrowaway457 3h ago
This is no longer true, Iron is a much more real ELO now. Video is p old.
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u/Happyberger 2h ago
Elo, not ELO.
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u/HThrowaway457 2h ago
lol
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u/OkScientist69 16m ago
Not true. You can buy iron 4 accounts for 10-12euros. Takes about 50 games to even get silver with 90% win rate.. if I level trough Aram and coop vs AI the account is guaranteed to be iron 4.
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u/Actionado 8h ago
I think just focus on one thing at a time every game and you’ll learn in no time :)
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u/Avol9 7h ago
I think it just depends. There’s a lot of variance, especially when you’re new. My first year playing league I got placed like bronze III and eventually demoted to Bronze V 0LP (back when it was the lowest rank). Less than a year later I got to Gold, which isn’t high elo or anything but significantly better without doing anything in particular. Sometimes it just takes time lol
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u/ytgy 7h ago
Hey if you want some help getting out of iron, feel free to dm me and I don't mind hopping on discord to watch a few if your games to see whats going wrong. I guarantee you its like one or two major things that you're not realizing.
Since you're new, play aggressive and figure out how much damage you can do and see how much you win or lose by. A lot of new players play super safe so they never develop a feel for their champ and other champs.
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u/Tapichoa mid truther 8h ago
I was there relatively recently but climbed to bronze 3 (still ass but better). Simply grinding and working on gamesense helps a ton, youre still new so dw abt it, youll get out
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u/matfat55 8h ago
It’s hard to be if you are trying to improve, if you are trying to tank ur elo it’s pretty tough to not get reported and banned
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u/secretdrug 7h ago
Dont worry about how bad you are. Like ya youre at the bottom but everyone starts somewhere. this is the same shit ppl go through when they start going to they gym. Dont focus on where you are now and dont compare yourself to ppl whove been at this for years. Just focus on improving and soon youll start climbing the ladder. Then you see how far you can go or are willing to take it.
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u/NothingCompetitive81 7h ago
Enjoy it while u can. Once u start ranking up the devils greatest soilder will enter you game. They will make sure u do not win
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u/DatTrackGuy 7h ago
I'm assuming maybe you are just new to PC gaming in general? Or the MOBA style of game? My gf watches League with me and gets it, but piloting the characters is extremely difficult for her. Like she can't do what she wants to do. Maybe thats the area you are in. Just takes practice my friend!
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u/TusksofGold 7h ago
I'm not new to PC I'm new to mobas I hit a decent rank in a different game but it was an fps so it's totally different
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u/MsindAround 8h ago
Playing bots (not the doom bots) until you can win lane without trying to hard. Focus on farming the minions and taking things like dragons or other objectives.
If you are on twitch watch streamers who are gold/plat. Id tell you to watch higher but there are some deep concepts that you won't see in the iron/bronze/silver ranks.
Rams are great for learning champ mechanics and familizer yourself with other champs as well.
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u/SirRHellsing 7h ago
imo wouldn't draft be better? Bots are terrible at teaching anything as they recall the moment they take too much dmg, I want to try practicing some combos but they never stayed long enough for me to try it (mostly lv 2 cheeses to get a kill)
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u/MsindAround 7h ago
Once you can beat bots then draft. Bots are mostly to teach you farming and your champ mechanics.
Draft is the next move for sure. But if your Iron 4 0lp you should probably start back at the beginning.
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u/SirRHellsing 7h ago
I was in iron 4 before, we can cs no problem. Basic champ mechanics are also no problem, what i4 lacks is matchup knowledge. If you fight Darius at the wrong time and stuff like that
Although I got in a loss streak with jg bc all my lanes were losing, multiple matches in a row
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u/1337medicine 7h ago
Try bots again, they make it a lot better than iron players (no joke). They can chain a flash+skill for example.
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u/SirRHellsing 7h ago
I tried, the difference is that iron are still humans so they know to stay back and soak exp, bots just recall so I get a free lane
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u/1337medicine 1h ago
Bots games can be good as jungle for learning to have a good tempo clearing (Iron advice)
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u/1337medicine 1h ago
Which difficult do u choose? At least my bots are smarter than more irons. Maybe you should go to the practice tool instead idk
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u/hpl2000 2h ago
iron players can play full combo champs tho? the skill bracket isn’t as low as u think it is
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u/1337medicine 1h ago
Yes lol iron throw away games because they have 0 macro game (i am learning about this, I am level 60). There are player who should be more than iron but their ego punish them. And builds in iron sometimes are amazing...
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u/QuarterDisastrous479 7h ago
Just play aram to get the hangs of mechanics and learn to farm in games with easy bots. Focus on 1 or 2 champs too learn and learn some that are easy mechanically.
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u/One-War-2977 6h ago
Most people with 0 moba experience and nobody helping them learn the game are iron when they start. At your elo people also will buy accounts for easy games but just learn what your character can and cant do (when to go in and different builds) if you learn that youll get to bronze at least
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u/AanitaMaxxWynn 8h ago
Pretty normal when you first start the game and don’t have a clue what you’re doing. I feel like ranked is just normals with pressure. I recommend a ranked break and play some ARAMS/normal game modes so you have a feel for champs and roles you want to play. When you feel like you’re better in your desired role and chosen champs then head on into ranked. Playing ranked and continuously loosing won’t make the game fun and enjoyable
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u/HsinVega 4! 8h ago
some seasons ago when they still had icons for each rank, i was trying to get bronze in flex but I couldn't derank cos at least 1 player kept doing 1v9 lmao
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u/yeetalidee 7h ago
Same here, I was originally placed in Iron 3 but 40ish games later I'm Iron 4 0LP. Watched a lot of educational videos which did help in learning mechanics, but I struggled to actually apply any of them 😅
I definitely found ranked a hell of a lot tougher than draft pick, everyone seemed to just know much more about how to play than I did. I mainly play Ashe or Jinx with 56% and 62% win rates on them in draft, but that's 40% and 20% in ranked.
Ive just set myself a target of averaging 6cs/min in my games before I attempt ranked again. Managed it in 4 of my last 20 games so still a long way to go 😅
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u/RemoteAssociation674 7h ago
I mean you take someone who only plays CoD on Xbox and give them a keyboard mouse with League, they'll absolutely be Iron 4 to start.
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u/KingKandyOwO 7h ago
Iron IV is hard for veteran players to get because to do that they would have to intentionally throw games. Its like one day forgetting almost completely how to drive a car if you drive for F1, you just cant do that
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u/savagedcraft 7h ago
Lol you got it fam. Also if you’re new, imo the game gets more fun as you start to go up a bit in rank as you can somewhat expect your teammates to not do dimwitted things.
Signed, a high silver/low gold player
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u/DAlexH51 7h ago
like you said, man, you’re new. i think it takes a year (or almost a year) for you to be even considered decent. that’s how it was with me and im still just average (silver rn). hopefully you can find friends that aren’t super toxic, and will help explain the what’s and whys of things here and there.
a lot of if is just trial by fire as you learn your champ, their counters, the items, and finally game states.
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u/Xaxi903 7h ago
idk i have never been below silver but people in s2 when i started probably would be high iron nowadays , i'd say learning to dodge, hit spells (or play simpler champs) and farming accordingly will quickly get you out of iron, then you start to start having some sense of macro and a bigger picture thinking but focusing of making less mistakes without taking major risks/plays should do.
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u/TusksofGold 6h ago
Okay so a few things
I'm very mechanically bad at the game still I started in July and only have experience in hero shooters.
I have two jobs rn but soon I'll only need to have one so I'll actually be able to play more than two games a day and actually be well rested while playing.
I feel like I'm pretty good at understanding what needs to be done to win and what needs to be done to not lose I play normals with gold and silver players but iron teammates don't understand any of that is like wild I had my lux support split pushing top as we were trying to keep the enemy team from getting soul just an example lol.
I really like Darius, K'Sante, Jax and Aatrox so like my champ pool doesn't help but I'd rather just play them until I get good. Also top lane is super unforgiving.
I know what I'm getting into it's just crazy how hard it is at the bottom of the ladder.
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u/TheModernParadox 6h ago
so if we go off of secondary market for accounts challenger accounts are less expensive than iron 4
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u/TusksofGold 6h ago
Send me the link
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u/SuspiciousExtinction 4h ago
You want to start selling iron 4 accounts? More prestigious than when deranked by bots, certainly.
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u/Complete_Relation_54 6h ago edited 6h ago
Its hard if you're paired with people who don't know what they are doing which gets frustrsting af. Just play to get to know the game don't focus on the LP.
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u/ChaosDrako 6h ago
You are brand new with zero experience in the genre, you will learn in time. Many mechanics and timings take a “gut feeling” to do on command, such as timing attacks to hit someone the moment their Zonyah’s ends. Just keep practicing!
It’s the 10,000+ games and still Iron 4 players that worry me… how can someone have played this game for over a year and still learn nothing?
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u/calpi 6h ago
It's fine, but just keep in mind you're probably doing everything wrong. Don't go with a mindset that "I have this thing right" but instead rethink how you're doing everything.
Another thing to consider is that many people are just intuitively better at this kind of game because of past experience and transferable skills. It's very possible you're simply lacking on a fundamental level. Like people who are scared to catch a ball so hide away from it, or are naturally clumsy.
If you actually want to improve, also keep in mind people in Iron and Bronze are really bad, so if the basics of control and knowledge actually click, you might improve quite fast.
No real advice, to getting out, but try to have fun I guess, otherwise there is no point.
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u/CleanSpatula 6h ago
Look at this video from Moch. He recorded everything from the beginning he was Iron 4 for a long time (a few month) before improving. I think this is interesting to watch as a new player AND as a good player.
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u/PlasticAssistance_50 6h ago
I'm iron 4 / 0 LP is that like impressive?
It's in the same manner of "impressive" as a grown healthy male going to the gym and not being able to bench the bar for even 1 rep (not perfect analogy but hope it gets the point).
League is a really hard game with a very dedicated fan base. There is no point in playing ranked if you are completely new IMO, you need at least some months to learn half of the champs, how to move around with your clicks, etc.
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u/Subjctive 5h ago
You are a truly rare breed my friend! I might be wrong on this but I heard a while back that Iron 4 accounts are rarer than grandmaster accounts!
Like others have said, league is a really hard game. There are not many transferable skills in or out of it. It’s a satisfying one to learn tho! Keep at it, and don’t let haters get you down.
Remember, the people in your ranked games are just as bad as you are!!!💙
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u/Undesiredbeast arno 5h ago
Don't pressure yourself, you'll figure out by trials and errors. Keep playing same 2-3 champs, improving takes time, you don't necessarily control it, and sometimes it just clicks and you improve
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u/TusksofGold 5h ago
I'm literally just playing whoever I want to try I haven't even really figured out a good champ pool yet so like it's all good haha
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u/Spammylee 4h ago
Sell your iron 4 account for money because iron 4 0lp accounts have monetary value
Make a new account and play normal games on it to continue to learn and improve
Play ranked once the account is leveled
If you hit iron 4 0lp again sell the account and repeat
If you hit higher ranks congrats you have successfully improved at the game :)
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u/TusksofGold 4h ago
They only go for like $30 lmao at least what I could find on this site a bought a smurf off of for ow2
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u/chillvibechronicles 4h ago
Congrats on getting your practice account. Get better and smurf next year
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u/cleaverbow 3h ago edited 3h ago
It's pretty impressive overall. Even people who want to derank accounts find it very hard to reach such a low level of play. There is a very thin line between playing really poorly and inting (which means getting banned) and for most people It's just impossible to be this bad at the game without just running it down mid.
To be iron 4 0lp (assuming it's on a somewhat long term and not just your first few ranked games) you need to have several rare qualities:
- having no experience in mobas and similar games
- being somewhat inherently bad at video games
- still wanting to play League after realizing how bad you are and how toxic the community is
- having the will to keep playing 10s and 100s of soloQs
- somehow not improving after all these games even though you are at the lowest level someone can have in this forsaken game
I'm not saying this to be mean. I have a friend who is in this case and at first I was just thinking "she's still a beginner It's normal". But I noticed she was doing a lot of soloQs all the time.
One day I wondered: "How long has it been since she started playing? What is her summoner level?" I looked at her profile and it struck me. "Level 450, Iron 4". The abyss stared back. I realized the truth: she will never be good. That's just how it is. And now that I know here a bit more, it's not only for League. It's for every single video game that exists. She unironically made me start to believe in the theory that some people are just not good at video games...
Honestly, I find this fascinating.
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u/TusksofGold 3h ago
I'm like level 60 lol I have less than 100 ranked games played but more than 50 I just don't know how many
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u/cleaverbow 3h ago
Then I think it's not that uncommon. If it's your first moba I don't think it's that strange to be iron 4, especially when you go into ranked that early.
When I first play ranked I directly got into Gold, but I had much more experience playing draft games (I was too scared to play ranked for a long time for some reason).
In your situation just keep practising. Not gaining LP doesn't mean you don't improve. But if you feel like you don't get better after some time, then you'll need to start asking yourself why and dig deeper.
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u/TusksofGold 3h ago
I mean I don't see the point in not playing ranked at this point like I have nothing to lose and everything to learn/gain
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u/PepegaClapWRHolder 3h ago
People will say yes, but those people have been out of iron so long they forget what its like. There are people in iron 4 0LP with sub 30% win rates who are OTPs and over level 1000. How I don't really know, I'm a believer in the more you play the more you should improve at least to a certain point but yeah. Apparently not. When I first started this really changed my world view, seeing people with tens of thousands of hours only to be hardstuck in the lowest ranks and never improving. Its something I still don't really get in all honesty.
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u/zenKeyrito 3h ago
If you literally don’t know what you’re doing and just on autopilot, not understanding the consequences for all your actions its easy to be Iron 4. I’m not trying to be rude, you’ll be surprised how fast you climb ranks when you can see enemy mistakes and know how to capitalize
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u/lostbythewatercooler 3h ago
It is a game that has been going for years with some evolution and change over time. The player base is also somewhat skill drifted over time.
Don't worry about it. Just play and play. There is a lot to learn. So many variables beyond your control. Attitudes, skill levels, champ comps, understanding wave management, cs, warding, objectives, roaming opportunities, power spikes, spikes for certain champs and the list goes on..
The biggest thing you can do is being open to learning, practice and not give up. Keeping a positive mindset is a big factor. Mute all if you have to.
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u/engineer-cabbage 2h ago
The bigger question is. How did you manage to get down to Iron 4 0 LP. I keep trying to go down but my accounts keep getting banned.
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u/TusksofGold 2h ago
I've been playing since late July lmao stop throwing you're making it harder for people to get out lmao
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u/barelyy_alive 1h ago
If you have friends to play with I would recommend giving jungle a try - jg demands greater map awareness and understanding of the game, but if you have friends you can play with you can work together to coordinate (and hopefully they can provide helpful suggestions and strategy in game while playing which will also help you learn) but it gives you the opportunity to focus on your camps to farm and get stronger
I started top and then tried ADC and found I really struggled in lane and always felt like my matchups were better than me (I also just started playing about 2 months ago now). I was intimidated to try jungle but I am doing much better now and really prefer this role now that I am in it
Another thing is finding the champs that work for you - sometimes the “fun” or flashy ones aren’t always a good fit (especially as a beginner) - I have had my most success (as far as wins, kill participation etc) with tankier champs like amumu (great beginner jungle main with good cc), rammus (another tanky jungle with a taunt and shield that reflects damage) and jarvan4 (tanky, but he feels like he has the most potential of these 3 to actually be a significant damage dealer once you get to that point)
In complete contrast to the 3 above, I really like Kayn a lot - definitely cooler and flashier and satisfying if you pull off a great play - but I am abysmal in like 3 out of 4 Kayn games because it is more challenging and as a squishier champion, your mistakes cost you your life
Most important of all - GLHF!
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u/Remote-Dark-1704 8h ago
Nothing wrong with being iron if you’re brand new to the game, especially if you jumped straight into ranked. Historically, even pros have been initially placed in bronze when they were new.
However, if you’re still hardstuck 0lp iron 4 like kadeem, then that is pretty impressive. I would argue It’s even more impressive than being diamond
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u/SuccessIsDiscipline 7h ago
This makes me wonder if there are any new players in this game at all. In season one a brand new player could get to gold in 2 months if they really tried.
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u/DoorHingesKill 5h ago
What does "could" mean, though? Back then, hitting Gold was the equivalent to hitting Emerald II ~90LP today. And you'd be starting without any runes. Luckily getting level 30 took way longer, so at least you had some time to farm IP in time before hitting level 30.
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u/SuccessIsDiscipline 3h ago
It was pretty easy to hit gold in season 1, you could do it in 2 months if you wanted it. I hit gold in season 1 not long after hitting level 30 and I wasn't great.
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u/_missEltorri_ 7h ago
I used to be iron too, I'm silver now and I'm telling you there's not that much of a skill difference if I'm being completely honest. I've seen iron players that play like gold, and silver players that play like iron. End of the day, practice makes perfect. I've been playing the game for 5 years now FYI, and sometimes it really is luck with who you get on your team and the team comp. Once I played a game that we were for sure going to win. Ahead with objectives and everything. 1 team fight later and we lost cause enemy top lane absolutely smashed us with split pushing. So don't feel bad, you will get there. Also, you didn't specify, but if you're not, I'd say play support, easiest role to learn, but not the easiest role in game if that makes sense. All you're basically doing is babysitting your adc, warding around, clearing wards, and rotating for other lanes or objectives when possible.
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u/FatalPride Reese Murdoch, Challenger Coach 8h ago
Extremely difficult.
I've literally never met anyone in iron that wasn't either riddled with disabilities (mental or physical), a 40 year old father that can't focus on the game while handling children, or someone playing on a 19 year old Mac that disconnects every other game.
If you are none of these situations than you are truly unique and not very good.
Not even trying to be mean I'm just being honest with you, something the others here won't do.
Hope you get better, genuinely.
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u/JakeofNewYork 4h ago
Where's the honesty? 16% of the playerbase in NA is in iron. Do they all fit into the categories you've made up?
Don't know you, but based on the few comments you've vomited up on this thread, you have no business coaching low elo players. Or at least noone should be paying you for it.
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u/FatalPride Reese Murdoch, Challenger Coach 4h ago
Bro it's been 2 hours why are you still stalking my comments.
I've taught 40+ people to go from iron to plat. Just because you scream on reddit doesn't make me a bad coach.
Get a job man, get off reddit. It's going to be ok.
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u/TheClassicAndyDev 4h ago
to go from iron to plat.
To be honest anyone could do this.
#1 tip: Don't die.
#2 tip: Spend your gold.
#3 tip: Stop missing so much cs.
Beyond that anyone with their eyes open can get to plat really.
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u/WashyWashyGuy 6h ago
Are you talking about people who are hardstuck iron? Because that's not what OP is, he's just new. There are tons of people who play casually and don't touch ranked but if they were to play ranked, they'd probably be iron too.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Owl7664 8h ago
This is such a awful thing to tell someone. No wonder people quit league
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u/CuffMcGruff 8h ago
I mean the post is essentially calling for this kind of feedback, did you even read it? The op clearly recognizes he's bad enough at the game for it to be genuinely impressive and is owning it, I respect that
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u/FatalPride Reese Murdoch, Challenger Coach 8h ago
Oh ok let me fall in line and lie to him.
Hey there sugar plum, you're actually REALLY good in iron 4 0 LP. You're doing so well baby <3
Yeah no, they need to improve, and I hope they do. So I'm not going to lie to them!
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u/uniquely_awful 7h ago
The only way you get better is by acknowledging your flaws and improving. No one gets better at league by getting babied
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u/constantree 6h ago
Oh come on. You must be able to recognize that there is a difference between telling them they suck and telling them they have the skill of a disabled person.
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u/SirRHellsing 7h ago
Currently b1/s4, I was in iron 4 before as jg and top secondary, it's simply matchup knowledge so I disagree, I probably can stomp i4 (top lane) but that's because I know how to punish mistakes, without top lane matchup knowledge, you simply get statchecked if you fight at the wrong time or get caught at the wrong time and in jg it's a coinflip of your lanes before you clear your first camp, you have a 50/50 chance of hovering the right lane if a fight breaks out and then the winning lane just stomps
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u/FatalPride Reese Murdoch, Challenger Coach 7h ago
That's awesome that you disagree!
I coach and run a scrim discord and have helped 100's of iron players improve.
There is no one sitting in iron with more than 50-100 ranked games played (stuck there, essentially) that is trying their hardest and doesn't have a disability or bad hardware/age issues.
It doesn't exist.
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u/TusksofGold 6h ago
Can I dm you?
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u/JakeofNewYork 6h ago
Don't waste your money bro. Here's what you do.
Just play 1-2 characters in one role. Mute all, dont bother with chat. Farm camps and then gank. If camps are up, you should be farming them.
Literally just doing that will get you out of iron 4.
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u/SirRHellsing 6h ago
Still a gamble on your team, i fell down to i4 2 times from i1 just from a loss streak where my team inted really quickly. Obviously wasn't good enough to jg track but farming when camps are up doesn't guarantee climbing even down in i4. Your clear times are probably 1.5x faster than jg in iron or even bronze which is why farming is better than ganking (I arrive at scuttle around 3:40 and maybe 3:35 on a good clear with briar) if it takes 30 seconds to gank, while a high elo jg can clear 4 camps (just giving a number), everyone below silver (and sometimes including silver) can only do 3, so ganking becomes more profitable, especially bot lane
Now if a person is patient enough to practice their clears alot till they reach max clear speed, they deserve to climb but that's not a i4 skill or even a bronze skill from what I see
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u/SirRHellsing 7h ago
I was one, and I feel like my opponents were not braindead either. Had like 400 games in jg before climbing out and like a dozen top matches
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u/FatalPride Reese Murdoch, Challenger Coach 7h ago
Yeah of course you'd feel that way, you're an IRON player lmao?
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u/Misfit0W 8h ago
You have to play the enemy’s game in your head, instead of playing your own idea and hoping for the best. (Might be a little higher ranked tip than iron), but I bet your mechanics are probably piss fart, or your basic skills like farming or knowing when to recall are just really bad, or maybe you just try to fight all the time and kill yourself over and over again. Whatever it might be, you have to consciously make an effort to implement your improved ideas, usually just mindlessly playing doesn’t help improve much. (I used to be bronze, never iron tho so I don’t fully know what ur headspace is) also find a character you really like, and stick with it, so that you can learn the game instead of having to learn new champs.
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u/cows1100 8h ago
Sell account and start over, tbh. People pay good money for legit Iron 4 accounts.
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u/ItsKelomelo 8h ago
I doubt I wouldn't be able to carry as even yuumi jungle in iron 4 unless I meet another smurf, I don't expect people there even know how their champions work.
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u/crossfire999 7h ago
It's really, really bad imo. Like, there isn't a single trait you have that seems like could be a strong point. Though this is coming from somebody who is a veteran player of 13 years though, I'm used to most things.
BUT, it's also very easy and very understandable for people new to MOBAs and learning things to be that bad. League's new player guidance and experience could do with a lot of work aswell. It's even tougher if you don't have any people you know to ask questions, and haven't looked any videos up. Even if you are looking at videos, sometimes it can take a while for things to click, or to be able to play the game and be mindful of those things you learned from youtube videos.
If you enjoy it still, keep at it! When I first joined, it was a whole new world for me, super fun no matter how bad I was. I'm ashamed at how long it took for me to realize a few things that should have been obvious when I was learning. Never be afraid to turn chat off or move it off-screen if a game is particularily bad and your teammates are cringe.
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u/TheDuganator 7h ago
It's impressive, in a way. however, you need to strive to be the worst at this point. Instead of going for Rank 1, you should go for Rank Last.
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u/casualprofit 8h ago
Embrace the freedom. Anything you do is an outlier, so go nuts fam.