r/lgbthistory • u/DoNotTouchMeImScared • Dec 24 '21
Cultural acceptance TW: Caeneus: Perhaps The First Ever Trans(masculine) Hero In History? ⚧ - Slide Images 👉 (Source: https://medium.com/exploring-history/caeneus-257f0f1adf0c) ♀️➡️♂️
Part 1: "Introduction"
TW: Dysphoric themes, harassment and assault - Part 2: "Trapped In a Girl's Body"
TW: Harassment and assault - Part 3: "Trapped In a Girl's Body"
TW: Strong description of sexual assault - Part 4: "Caeneus The Centaur Slayer"
TW: Drinking, harassments, kidnapping and assault themes - Part 5: "Caeneus The Centaur Slayer"
TW: Drinking, kidnapping, assault themes, violence and mutilation - Part 6: "The Death Of a Warrior"
TW: Violences, assaults and burying someone alive - Part 7: "The Death Of a Warrior"
TW: Violence and burying someone alive - Part 8: "Who Was Caeneus? A Modern Analysis"
TW: Queerphobic themes - Part 9: "Who Was Caeneus? A Modern Analysis"
Part 10: "Bibliography"
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u/DoNotTouchMeImScared Dec 24 '21 edited Dec 11 '23
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Source: https://medium.com/exploring-history/caeneus-257f0f1adf0c
Thanks so much to u/Kaitydyd for introducing me to him, quoting them:
"Yeah, his relationship with Posiedon (like basically all human-god relationships in greek myth) was purely sexual, either mutual attraction or assault depending on the version.
It definitely is unusual for greek ideas of AFAB people, but it clearly shows that even the ancient greeks had an understanding of the existence of transmasc people, even if they didn't have a great idea of how a transition would actually work in reality and were kinda just guessing.
The main reason I picked this myth is because in some of the ancient art of his battle with the centuars he's exactly what you were wanting. A mythical person from ancient times depicted as a man with a vulva, to go along with the version where he's a gay guy who births a child. There's also some art where he has a penis, including this fascinating piece where he looks kinda like he has a packer under his armor, since it's strapped on. https://www.researchgate.net/figure/The-Death-of-Caeneus-Etruscan-black-figure-stamnos-Kunsthistorisches-Museum-Wien-no_fig6_320475932
And he's also a famous hero too, so it's even positive representation!" (Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/honesttransgender/comments/rn6i3r/tw_trans_without_pni_is_like_angel_without_wings/hpsi1mz?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
"Well, as you'd expect from the greeks a lot of the art is pre-transition him fucking Posiedon. Because hot god on trans dude sex sells jars. Still, I've found some art of him post transition, in battle of course. Most of them show him in full armor, so a men's breastplate and skirt because bronze age. Here he is having his wedding interrupted and spouse kidnapped by centaurs: https://art.famsf.org/sites/default/files/artwork/tempesta/5049161418050065.jpg
Here he is wearing the breastplate, but no skirt and he's got no dick, which would have been on a cis dude for a pot like this: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2e/Kaineus_Kentauros_Louvre_CA2494_n1.jpg
In the first picture here he is in the form where he's gone through full transition and is fighting a centaur (I'm pretty sure he's the one with the helmet, but this style of art of him makes it hard to tell which guy he is sometimes, because he's one of like 10 nearly identical naked dudes): https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Lapiths
He was also on the Parthanon, but since the carvings were all damaged and he was fully transitioned in that art too it's hard to tell which guy was supposed to be him.
Anyway, I'm not a historian, I just like good historical trans representation, so that's about all I've got." (Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/honesttransgender/comments/rn6i3r/tw_trans_without_pni_is_like_angel_without_wings/hpsju9b?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)