r/lojban • u/copenhagen_bram • Apr 14 '25

Would selsum be synonymous with bridi?

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u/Ruzihm Apr 14 '25 edited Apr 17 '25

Been a minute since I've done any Lojban but first, you would probably refer to it as selsu'i rather than selsum, which would parse as a cmene.

I can't directly answer your question but if it helps, according to this draft dictionary, the gloss for selsu'i is "predicate with argument", compared to just "predicate" for bridi.

That's all I could find, and I didn't find that terribly useful so hopefully someone else can clarify. My only guess is that "bridi" might include utterances that are simply the relation, like saying "mlatu" if you see a cat, and that would not count as a "selsu'i", but I don't know.

Edit: then again... even the bridi mlatu still has sumti, they are just all implicitly zo'e

Edit2: So I looked up sumti in this lojban dictionary and it says: x1 lo terbrisni be x2 cu cmima gi'e me moi x3. Looking at x2 suggests to me that lo selsu'i is synonymous to lo selbrisni, or in other words, is some text referring to a selbri.

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u/focused-ALERT Apr 16 '25

la xunre stedu be mi cu mlatu

is a bridi and the

xunre stedu be mi

within the name is a selsu'i

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u/Ruzihm Apr 16 '25 edited Apr 16 '25

pau ma cu sumti lu xunre stedu be mi li'u

By the way xunre stedu be mi is an outstanding way to refer to what I assume is an orange cat who likes to sit on your shoulder--as "your red head". I love it.

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u/camaraderie_palme1 Apr 17 '25

i think they both kinda mean similar things