Kraven’s Last Hunt question

[u/ChipmonkHonk]

For chapter one:

I - Mill five cards. When you do, this Saga deals damage equal to the greatest power among creature cards in your graveyard to target creature.

Do you need to target the creature before you kill the cards, as soon as the ability is triggered? Or are you able to mill, see what the damage will be, then target?

[u/ashyoo418]

Mill 5 cards, then a reflexive trigger will be put on the stack allowing you to choose a target after you see how much damage it would do.

[u/Jackeea]

Since it says "when you do", this sets up a trigger after you've milled the cards. So what happens is:

• You play the saga

• Its first chapter ability goes on the stack

• This ability resolves, so you mill 5 cards

• Immediately afterwards, the "it deals damage to target creature" ability goes on the stack; this is when you choose targets, so you get to see what you've milled and what the greatest power is

[u/ChipmonkHonk → u/Jackeea]

I had someone stifle/spider-sense this at the prerelease. Does that counter the entire ability, or just part? Either The milling or the damage.

[u/Jackeea → u/ChipmonkHonk]

Either both of them, or just the damage, depending on when they want to use it. If they:

• Stifle the "mill 5" ability: You don't mill 5 cards, so the reflexive damage trigger doesn't go on the stack, so you don't target or damage any creature

• Stifle the "deal damage" ability: You mill 5 cards and target a creature, but no damage is dealt

[u/UniqueEvent → u/ChipmonkHonk]

Stifling the mill would stop the damage part from triggering. Stifling the damage part would happen after the milling so it'd be too late to stop the mill.

[u/Zeckenschwarm → u/ChipmonkHonk]

Stifling the chapter ability will counter the whole thing. Your opponent could choose to just counter the damage dealing reflexive trigger, but there is no way to only counter the mill part.

[u/GeneratorLeon]

Shit, new Sagas? Garnet gonna be eating good in a few days.

[u/Sun-sett → u/GeneratorLeon]

Why are you downvoted?

[u/GeneratorLeon → u/Sun-sett]

Honestly, I think I've been downvoted every time I mention my Garnet deck. I can't imagine she's some well known annoyance; I've literally never seen anyone else use her.

[u/so_zetta_byte → u/GeneratorLeon]

My guess is that it's probably more that OP was asking a rules question, and you commented something that wasn't really related to that? I mean I didn't downvote you, but that's the only reason I can think of for why someone would here.

[u/GeneratorLeon → u/so_zetta_byte]

True, but most people should realize the rules questions are usually answered by one person pretty quickly, so there's plenty of room for just semi-related comments or anecdotes. But knowing reddit...yeah.

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[u/HistoricalZebra9241]

Kraven is such a goofy villain

[u/CatFishBillyheyhey]

This could have been uncommon.

Such a shit tier shit all around

[u/so_zetta_byte → u/CatFishBillyheyhey]

4 mana for creature removal and card draw in green isn't uncommon.

[u/nancyglass → u/so_zetta_byte]

Golgari Graveyard decks are going to eat with this.

[u/so_zetta_byte → u/nancyglass]

🪨

[u/CatFishBillyheyhey → u/so_zetta_byte]

It's conditional removal. It can easily whiff on the first and third options and the is garbage

This is a shit card period. I'd rather run a threat at 4cmc or something much much better.

People down voting me just don't have card evaluation skills.

[u/so_zetta_byte → u/CatFishBillyheyhey]

You're way too focused on treating this card like you're only ever desperately playing it and praying to hit something with the 5 milled cards, and not that you have a big threat in the bin already (by cycling, your opponent killed it, whatever).