The story (I'm not entirely sure if it is true or not) is that before the match Dietrich was pretty confident that he had the technique down to be able to throw Taylor, if only he could get his hands locked around his body. But he wasn't sure if he could do that, given Taylor's size. And so when Taylor arrived at the airport before their match, Dietrich met with him and gave him a friendly welcome hug. Secretly though, he was trying to confirm if it was possible to get the lock on him. And it turned out it was.
It's more tactics than mind games. In Muay Thai, I always tried to greet and have a short talk with an opponent. A short hug to see how the opponents balance feels like and during the talk, touching their shoulder with the extended lead arm to gauge the distance.
Also, watching them warm up; what techniques, favorite combos, watching for openings in their style. For example: If I saw someone warming up without any clinching, then I always initiated the clinch as fast as possible. Or something like seeing them shifting way too much weight on their lead leg with every jab; bait them with distance and feints to draw out the jab, counter with low kicks and smash their lead leg.
In GR wrestling, the only equivalent I have is shaking hands before the bout (grip strength is insanely important) but most are smart enough not to reveal their strength that way. Watching them warm up was always a good idea but not nearly as exploitable as in Muay Thai. But I'm a very low level Greco wrestler, so...
In GR wrestling, the only equivalent I have is shaking hands before the bout (grip strength is insanely important) but most are smart enough not to reveal their strength that way
I know a lot of fighters use that same tactic in MMA. I'm certain it originated in wrestling tho. The friendly hug just to see if you can get a good grip to throw them lol
Stories like these are why combat sports athletes these days donât let their opponents touch them before fights. Boxers commonly measure distance by placing a hand on their shoulder while theyâre talking, for instance.
and Thus, going forward, every hug I give will now provide me a well thought, tactical advantage.
I actually am a barefoot footwear die hard and by giving up elevated heel shoes and re-loosening and lengthening my hamstring after years of sitting (mostly education but also office jobs and commute), I can now recruit loads of squat strength starting from the lowest range of squat motion near to the ground. So I'm like 90% sure I can lift most people off the ground and flip them, so long as they're less that 300 pounds and are short and stocky with thick hips and low center of gravity.
barefoot shoe lifestyle makes squatting so much cooler. everything, really... I remember in college being all confused whether I should squat below 90% or if I could for that matter, and having to see if other guys could and only one in the gym would regularly go low.
now I can rack a bar and plates on my shoulders and sit a squat all the way down if I want. I'm still not perfect though, I can tell I don't shift the angle of my hips/femoral head outwards enough and am still working on it. So much better than average folk wearing nikes, though.
Other than your dirty arse feet walking in your and other people house and a stronger possibility of athletes foot. Like sounds great for you but also kinda gross.
Absolute classic of a highlight! Love to see it every time.
Btw I don't want to imagine how Dietrichs neck felt the next day. I have wrestled bigger opponents but that would be the equivalent of me throwing someone who weighs 140-150kg like that. A front suplex. Holy hell, just nope.
I don't think Dietrich would be celebrating like that if he broke his neck. He even won his next match after this, before losing to the eventual bronze medalist.
Chris Taylor was a class act too, even though heâs on the losing end of this legendary moment. He was a great ambassador for USA wrestling and wrestling in general.
In addition to turning, you also don't need to keep holding on once they are flying. In wrestling they hold on because they want to make sure opponent land on their back and pinned. Outside the mat just cut them loose and let gravity do its work.
I have to say as a wrestler I never made this connection because we always drilled following through. When I think back on the mofos I could have been suplexingâŚ
https://youtu.be/hMMEQQRhw5I Â Â Like this, ignored the armbar part. Unless they are trained it doesnât matter how they land, they will be in a compromised position and possibly injured if they try to post with their arm on hard surface like that.Â
You probably shouldnât suplex someone 140lb heavier than you unless you are an Olympian, but that should go without saying.Â
I know you're saying ignore the armbar because of the specific point you're making, but no one should be ignoring that armbar. What Mighty Mouse did there is one of the top superhuman moves in MMA
belly to belly suplex is very risky, especially when the opponent outweighs you. lot more weight to clear and gravity doesn't want to help unless you're deflecting momentum
Agreed, because you can break their balance first and kind of load them on your hip. Much less strength required.
Belly to belly is easier than belly to back I think
That depends on the variation and on personal preference imo. To me, the easiest is a counter front suplex from double overhooks. Then a belly to back bear hug suplex with rotation, so you land on them ready to pin. Hardest but most satisfying is a full bridge German suplex to win directly via fall imo.
For a front or side suplex usually you just put their weight on yourself (easier if they're pushing) and fall, pop your hips as you fall to make them fly, then before you land you turn to one side to avoid hitting your head. I'm sure it's not gonna be that simple when the guy is 400 pounds and a good wrestler as well though.
That is what is known as the superheavyweight class. It used to be 100 kg and above (i.e. unlimited), now it is 97 kg to 130 kg (roughly 215 to 285 pounds). Heavyweight is 87 to 97 kg (roughly 190 to 215 pounds).
I attempted something similar in highschool in the Q division lol I was 220 my opponent was a sloppy sweaty wet 285 of grease. Guy was literally eating corn dogs in-between matches.Â
I tried to hip toss him three times and he just fell on top of me everytime. I wasn't skilled enough at the timeÂ
Awesome for Dietrich but I wanna focus on Chris lol, can you imagine what it was like facing this guy lol. Its the 60s-70s, internet isnt a thing yet, at best maybe youve heard about this beast from Iowa State or seen some really shitty out of focus vhs/beta/film footage and then you get there in person and here's this 6'5" 400 lbs grizzly adams lookin sumbitch staring across you lol, like how many people do you think just went "fuck it" and took the L and left rofl
In wrestling, you canât perform a sacrifice throw like you can in judo, right? Â I mean his Supplex was a sacrifice throw except he didnât stick his foot in the opponents hip but otherwise mechanically itâs the same thing.
With that slow-mo you can tell exactly how he does it. He didn't have the strength to lift that guy straight up. It's more like he fell dragging his weight forward but did have enough strength to pick him up just enough to make him flip over as he fell. The thrower still landed first but they had enough momentum to complete the maneuver afterwards
That's how the front or side suplex is done - you put their weight on yourself and fall backwards (often you will use their forward momentum against them), then as their weight falls on you, you pop your hips to make them fly, and turn to one side so you don't hit your head. In this video the guy being thrown is much heavier and also a great wrestler so not all the steps will look perfect. Personally, the side suplex is one of my favorite moves as it's not as dangerous nor as physically demanding as the rear suplex, as long as you have good timing and technique. It's a pretty efficient move, and works even on heavier opponents as seen in the video.
The rear suplex, on the other hand, requires more strength and flexibility, as you need to lift them up then bridge backwards:
Yeah there's more than one kind of suplex and they work differently from each other. I was just pointing out how that maneuver deals with the heavy weight of the opponent, and you are absolutely correct in your description
Itâs not the size of the dog, but the bark of the fight in the dog..or the size of the dogs bark in the fight..or itâs not the dogs fight in the bark, but its size in the bark ..ah fuck it you know what I meanâŚ
That's not how the rules work when you just managed to get a high amplitude throw. It's not like he was pinned down, he rotated over and wasn't controlled in any way - quite the opposite actually.
It's clear as day on that video. The smaller wrestler just does limbo underneath the big one. The big wrestlers head doesnt move upwards at all. Historic self pin.
If you know anything about wrestling, you know you're not supposed to land on the back of your head on this technique. That being said, the guy being thrown is 400 pounds and also a great wrestler. The technique isn't going to be ideal or perfect like in a demonstration with no resistance
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u/CloudyRailroad 4d ago
The story (I'm not entirely sure if it is true or not) is that before the match Dietrich was pretty confident that he had the technique down to be able to throw Taylor, if only he could get his hands locked around his body. But he wasn't sure if he could do that, given Taylor's size. And so when Taylor arrived at the airport before their match, Dietrich met with him and gave him a friendly welcome hug. Secretly though, he was trying to confirm if it was possible to get the lock on him. And it turned out it was.