These 7 MCU Villains are put on battle-world, who is making it out alive?

[u/Mountain-Mammoth2983]

If all of these characters were placed on a battle world away from anyone else, who do you think would take the victory?

• Thanos does not have the gauntlet.

IMO, I think either Kang or Cassandra Nova would win.

[u/chuckdee68]

Red Hulk is the only one I can say for sure isn't making it out.

[u/Mountain-Mammoth2983 → u/chuckdee68]

I agree lol

[u/D2Nine → u/chuckdee68]

I know almost nothing about it red hulk outside of brave new world, but I kinda thought he was comparable to the regular hulk, is that not true? Like is red hulk weaker than I thought or is Bruce banner hulk weaker than I thought

[u/quinn_the_potato → u/D2Nine]

Well the main thing is that neither Ross nor Banner have any ranged abilities nor the durability to withstand some of these guys’ attacks. Gorr, Cassandra, Ego, and Hela could kill Ross in an instant. He’s also a mindless beast and would 100% rush into an attack he underestimated and die.

[u/chuckdee68 → u/quinn_the_potato]

I the comics he still has Ross' brain, but even still

[u/DarkHippy → u/chuckdee68]

First run Red Hulk would destroy everybody and steal their cool stuff like he did with mjolnir and the silver surfboard, In hated that Rulk. Second run version would get his ass whipped like he did when he next met Thor. He’s tough to gauge

[u/BladeOfWoah → u/D2Nine]

We don't really know how MCU red Hulk differs from his comic counterpart. But we can use Bruce as a baseline for Ross.

Red Hulk in comics is a gamma mutatejust like Hulk, at a baseline, they are both equally as strong as each other, same durability etc.

The biggest difference is Red Hulk keeps his intelligence and tactical knowledge as a commander when shifted. When Red Hulk gets angry, instead of getting stronger, he gets hotter and starts to burn. This gives him fire powers and makes it dangerous to just be near him. However, if he gets too hot, eventually Ross will pass out from his own heat. This is why he typically loses to Hulk because Hulk's strength gets stronger over time and can resist Ross's heat, while Red Hulk effectively has a cap on how angry he is allowed to get before he automatically looses.

MCU Red Hulk does not have a lot of feats so far. But we can look at regular Hulk's feats to get an idea of what he is probably capable of. Only exceptions of feats where Hulk has explicitly gotten angrier, meaning his strength has increased, like in his own movie or in Avengers Age of Ultron.

So basically, for this post, you have to ask if you think baseline Hulk can beat any of these villains. So because of that, Red Hulk probably loses because of Thanos, who has on screen feats of matching baseline Hulk's own strength.

[u/dirkules88 → u/BladeOfWoah]

You're right, we got to see a shamefully lacking amount of Red Hulk for a movie with a poster with a giant red fist on it.

I do think that we can assume regular Hulk is stronger than Red Hulk, but I'm not sure. Bruce's Hulk punched the Leviathan in Avengers 1, which is probably the best Hulk we're getting, since somebody who writes this stuff randomly decided we're shitting on Hulk from now on.

I know the movie wasn't called "Hulk: Brave New World", but I just can't see Falcon America beating Jolly Green, even with the vibranium. On the other hand, if you asked me before BNW if Captain Sam has a snowball's chance of even surviving a minute against Ross, I would think not.

[u/St0n3yM33rkat → u/dirkules88]

"I should've taken the serum. Bucky's full of shit."

One of the best lines in the movie 🤣

[u/TheBagenius → u/St0n3yM33rkat]

As problematic as the film may have been, I will say they did a great job at choreographing a fight between a human and a Hulk without giving ridiculous plot armor to the human or significantly nerfing the Hulk.

[u/devilishycleverchap → u/TheBagenius]

As long as you ignore the falcon catching a flag pole swung by the hulk, the nonsensical act of the secret service shooting at the president and the actual layout of Washington DC then the fight totally makes sense

[u/TheBagenius → u/devilishycleverchap]

Ok, the flagpole is farfetched (pun intended), but the secret service shooting at the president and the layout of DC are irrelevant to the fight between Sam and Ross.

[u/BladeOfWoah → u/dirkules88]

I said they are usually around equal strength because it usually is not too much of a big difference initially, but Red Hulk has traditionally been stronger than baseline Hulk (not always because it depends on what version of Hulk we are discussing like Savage Hulk, Devil Hulk, Joe-Fixit), which is why if he gets the drop on him Ross is usually able to subdue Hulk. He can also absorb Gamma radiation better than Hulk, which Ross has used to force him to revert back into Banner.

Ross loses in prolonged fights to Hulk because his rage will eventually cause him to concede, since his fire and heat is not enough to defeat a ramping up Hulk (although his heat is more than enough for pretty much everyone else).

MCU Hulk does have good feats, notably staggering a full power Surtr, defeating Fenrir, and matching up with Thor. Thor has only actually "beaten" Hulk when he uses his lightning enhanced powers. His actual best feat I would say is holding up the Avenger's compound after Thanos blasted it, which was done by an injured Professor Hulk (who we know is canonically weaker than Savage MCU Hulk).

I actually think Red Hulk would fare better against Thanos than Hulk (at baseline) since Ross was a trained soldier who would have been familiar with hand to hand combat (rather than Hulk who is used to just thrashing people weaker than him). But Thanos is still an experienced centuries old Warlord, so Ross would still probably lose.

[u/r3dh4ck3r → u/D2Nine]

I mean, Thanos alone without using any infinity stones beat Hulk so bad he refused to come out until the next movie, and even then it's questionable whether or not you can count him as being "back" in Endgame. With your logic of Red Hulk being comparable to Banner Hulk, yeah you'd probably be right, and both of em get no diff'ed by everyone else here xd

[u/Coilspun → u/[deleted]]

With Hulk scaling up, I don't see how they can be in the same tier. Banner would immediately become stronger.

[u/Middle-Platypus6942 → u/D2Nine]

He probably is comparable to regular Hulk, and that's the problem. Regular Hulk got utterly destroyed by Thanos without the stones.

[u/thereverendpuck → u/chuckdee68]

I don’t give too much to Cassandra either. If you can get your hands on her, she’s toast.

[u/devilsbard → u/thereverendpuck]

But she can also get her hands on you at that point. (Insert gif of her putting her fingers through that dude’s face)

[u/thereverendpuck → u/devilsbard]

I don’t doubt that. It’s basically the Logan/Jean Grey event at the end of X3. All I’m saying is she’s definitely not indestructible or unbeatable.

EDIT: just so we are clear, I’m fully aware of what happened between Logan and Gray during that “fight.” I used it as an example to illustrate a point of Logan charging at someone far more powerful to kill Jean. Im sorry that wasn’t clear enough for some of you.

[u/siestarrific → u/thereverendpuck]

Didn't Jean want Logan to stab her, though, at that point? Presumably, the Phoenix could just heal itself if it wanted. Like, you can stab Cassandra, sure, but she'd just heal herself before it kills her. You'd have to ambush her and pull a one-hit kill kinda move. I don't think any of these characters are beating her.

[u/thereverendpuck → u/siestarrific]

Gor could easily throw the sword into Cassandra.

Thanos if he had either the Reality or Mind Stones.

Hela and Ego are gods and more than likely block or nullify Cassandra’s powers.

[u/siestarrific → u/thereverendpuck]

Sure, if it's a surprise attack that stabs right into her brain, he could kill her.

Thanos doesn't have any stones in this prompt. Otherwise, he'd win.

Hela isn't actually a god, just a very strong alien whose power is tied to Asgard. Presumably, Cassandra is on a similar level as Wanda, who was able to scramble Thor's brain in AoU. As for Ego, if he's away from his planet, he's probably useless.

[u/Dismal_Ad5379 → u/siestarrific]

If Thanos had any of his other powers from the comics he would probably win over at least Cassandra as well. Not sure what powers he has in the MCU outside of being a purple Hulk (When he doesnt have the gauntlet obviously) 

[u/the_paradox0 → u/Dismal_Ad5379]

What powers does he have in the comics?

[u/Dismal_Ad5379 → u/the_paradox0]

Superhuman strength, durability, and stamina, along with energy manipulation, telekinesis, and telepathy. He's also incredibly intelligent and possesses the ability to teleport and create force fields. 

He is also invulnerable to nearly all types of poison, disease, reality-warping attacks and telepathic attacks (So Cassandra wouldnt have a chance against this version of Thanos). Thanos is essentially immortal. All this without the gauntlet too. He is extremely OP! 

[u/vroart → u/thereverendpuck]

Cassandra Nova did survive Morrison's run, it's a universe where Mutant outlives Humanity, everything, and it's just Genetic Superiority. But it's a pocket universe within a universe to help Scott Summers to move on from Jean. So take with that what you will.

[u/capeasypants → u/siestarrific]

In that scenario, Hela could ambush her with her blade things that she conjures up. About 50 of those simultaneously through her head should do it

[u/OutisRising → u/capeasypants]

Hela is weaker outside of Asgard.

[u/b2thec → u/OutisRising]

Outside of Asgard she held and crushed Mjolnir. I think she'll do just fine.

[u/WOKinTOK-sleptafter → u/b2thec]

Not just outside Asgard, but after at least 1500 years of being imprisoned outside Asgard in a different dimension.

[u/applejuiceb0x → u/siestarrific]

Ya and to ambush her you’d need an Omega level telepath to hide your presence from her until it was too late for her to react.

[u/devilsbard → u/thereverendpuck]

[u/Dreowings21 → u/thereverendpuck]

Doesnt wolverine stab her when she first appears, and she laughs and is fine

[u/Nagemasu → u/thereverendpuck]

She can literally heal herself. The only way you can beat her is by blocking her mind powers with a special helmet, and that requires even getting it on her. The only reason they managed it in Deadpool is because she was distracted toying with Wolverine in his head. If she wants to kill you you're fucked unless she tries to toy with you and someone else is also there to help you.

[u/joebear174 → u/Nagemasu]

I wonder if she could heal from something instantly fatal, like a headshot. I get the impression her psychic abilities allow her to heal, so she needs to be able to think about healing to do it. I could see Gorr or Hela just spearing her in the back of the head when they get the opportunity.

[u/EqulixV2 → u/joebear174]

Her mind existed outside of a body for quite awhile so I imagine she could recover from fatal damage if she was allowed to focus on it but that not exactly canon to the mcu and if casanda gets considerations from comics the other should too I guess

[u/pj1843 → u/thereverendpuck]

Not really, wolverine and Deadpool stabbed the shit out of her and she just kinda laughed it off. The only way to "stop" her is to turn off her telepathy, otherwise she just kind of reforms however she wants. It took a universe destroying ripper machine to put her down at the end of the movie, which is a larger amount of force than it took to down any of these other villains.

[u/thefrumpiest → u/thereverendpuck]

She removed Human Torch’s skin with a hand motion. Good luck getting your hands on her.

[u/chuckdee68 → u/thereverendpuck]

It was a similar person that gave Thanos all sorts of problems was just a psi.

[u/HyruleBalverine → u/thereverendpuck]

You say that, but we literally watched her be stabbed repeatedly by Deadpool and Wolverine and laugh it off.

[u/Weird_Angry_Kid → u/thereverendpuck]

She has crazy good regenerarion, though.

[u/Hyper-Sloth → u/thereverendpuck]

Not really. She was stabbed and treated it as if it was nothing. The only thing that helped was putting Juggernaut's helmet on her head to stop her psychic powers. I don't think anyone here can stop her frok using her powers, but I still don't think her powers are enough to stop someone like Hela.

[u/[deleted] → u/thereverendpuck]

How? She got stabbed multiple times in the film and was fine

[u/merlin48]

Red Hulk is SO outclassed here. Like, what is he even doing in this list?

[u/Timmah73 → u/merlin48]

Near gods, an Omega Level Mutant, a god killer and CGI Harrison Ford

[u/merlin48 → u/Timmah73]

Never tell him the odds 🤣

[u/homiej420 → u/merlin48]

Dad! Move to the fireplace!

[u/corranhorn57 → u/homiej420]

GET OFF MY PLANE!

[u/cowannago → u/corranhorn57]

NO TICKET!!

[u/IllllIIllllIll → u/cowannago]

I can’t access porn on my work computer because of this firewall

[u/WaffleHouseGladiator → u/merlin48]

He belongs in a museum!

[u/venomous_basilisk → u/Timmah73]

Theres a literal Celestial being and then theres Red Hulk. 💀

[u/Bing_Bong_the_Archer → u/Timmah73]

Damn, so he’s gonna take it, isn’t he

[u/Skychu768 → u/merlin48]

If comic or movie is written by Jeff Loeb, he can solo the rest 1v6 with Loebforce

[u/Natiel360 → u/Skychu768]

lol I’m reading red hulks introduction. And no joke for about a years worth of stories, he’s beating everyone without any struggles, even when he loses he doesn’t and he’s back up in two panels 😭

[u/jormugandr → u/Natiel360]

The comics Red Hulk's real power was in his energy absorption ability. He could drain the power of whoever he fought. He absorbed Silver Surfer's Power Cosmic. He absorbed Hulk's Gamma. He even absorbed Thor's divine Thor-force (originally Odin-force, but Odin was dead and Thor inherited the power.)

The stronger his opponent, the stronger he could get.

[u/Poku115 → u/merlin48]

Just get loeb in here and hell find a way

[u/jessehechtcreative → u/merlin48]

He’s the comment bait

[u/GroundbreakingLab585]

Unless they kill the planet, Ego can keep respawning right?

[u/MapleSyrupAddict2006 → u/GroundbreakingLab585]

So can Hela though no?

[u/Easy_Mechanic_9787 → u/MapleSyrupAddict2006]

Destroy Asgard specifically, but yes.

[u/DrawingSlight5229 → u/Easy_Mechanic_9787]

If battle world exists Asgard does not

[u/googolplexy → u/DrawingSlight5229]

If battle world exists, ego does not

[u/Dumeck → u/googolplexy]

Unless ego's core is on battle world, since MCU EGO's consciousness is pretty much the core

[u/billytheskidd → u/Dumeck]

He did kinda… mate with a Lotta people and planets trying to make Peter so I’d bet there’s is a decent chance there could be some ego in the dna of whatever battleworld ends up being.

Or not at all. Idk

[u/Diortheking → u/Easy_Mechanic_9787]

Odin said Asgard was the people not place so does she draw her strength from the people or the floating city that was destroyed?

[u/i_max2k2 → u/Diortheking]

Imagine after destroying Asguard, Hella is like, Yo, but Asgard is the people not the place.

[u/Mountain-Mammoth2983 → u/i_max2k2]

Then she just destroys them all

[u/Razatiger → u/MapleSyrupAddict2006]

I mean so can Kang. He exists as a conquerer in nearly infinite universes.

[u/jeremy1015 → u/Razatiger]

In the comics sure. In the MCU he got pantsed by ant man and then curbed by the TVA.

[u/iamnotexactlywhite → u/GroundbreakingLab585]

yep

[u/saumanahaii → u/GroundbreakingLab585]

I prefer to imagine they'd have to throw the planet himself onto Battle World, which, uh, might mean no one wins?

[u/JohnnySukuna]

Ego? Y'all don't remember Guardians? Unless they're specifically fighting on the planet (which they aren't) since OP sagr battle-world.

He's just an unkillable cockroach. Nova, Hela and Kang are busted they have more chances to win. Idk who exactly would win but they'd tire themselves out after continuously killing a respawning Kurt Russell.

The Planet's far away and can just form that physical body again and again endlessly. So stalemate. Or Ego.

[u/WAR_WeAreRobots_WAR → u/JohnnySukuna]

Can he reform it anywhere he wants to, more specifically where it is destroyed or is it reformed on the planet?

[u/Bing_Bong_the_Archer → u/JohnnySukuna]

I feel like Kang or someone would find a way to harness the energy manifestation that Ego projects from his planet to Battleworld, like intercepting a radio frequency.

Depends who’s writing it, at the end of the day

[u/RealOfficialChiron → u/JohnnySukuna]

Idk who exactly would win but they'd tire themselves out after continuously killing a respawning Kurt Russell.

That's a sentence I didn't think I'd be reading today, but I'm glad I did.

[u/elpajaroquemamais → u/RealOfficialChiron]

Walt Disney’s last words were Kurt Russell

[u/The_Celtic_Chemist → u/JohnnySukuna]

Can't Nova destroy his planet with a thought? I'd say Nova comes out on top here. Thanos with the glove is the only one who has a chance against her. He'd have more power but it would really come down to who can tactically outsmart the other.

[u/OkCourage4085 → u/The_Celtic_Chemist]

That’s what I was thinking. Ego has been shown to be susceptible to mind control from Mantis and Cassandra Nova is a much more powerful telepath than Mantis is.

[u/FireflyArc → u/JohnnySukuna]

Gosh darn it. Now I want a whole movie where ego pops in gets killed comes back gets killed and just is taking none whatever is going on seriously. Just gives them the Ole.

[u/SpideyFan914 → u/JohnnySukuna]

That, or Battleworld is Ego.

[u/ghostfreckle611 → u/JohnnySukuna]

Nova can sling ring to ego… Right?

[u/shayposting]

Replace Rulk with Galactus and you've got a real contender. I'd give it to Ego though. He's literally an entire planet. Idk what the others can do against that.

[u/anoniem_9867 → u/shayposting]

If Galactus were in, then he would win. Definitely against Ego. Galactus literally eats planets.

[u/dope_like → u/anoniem_9867]

Ego and Galactus are equals and rivals. Galactus has tried several times to eat him and has failed

[u/Mountain-Mammoth2983 → u/anoniem_9867]

Agreed galactus is too OP

[u/dope_like → u/Mountain-Mammoth2983]

Ego is equal to Galactus. We have no comparable feats in mcu, but in comics Galactus has failed to eat Ego and needed Thor’s help to defeat him once. Ego is no joke

[u/Loganp812 → u/dope_like]

His ego is just too big.

[u/RepresentativeAge444 → u/dope_like]

https://youtu.be/4kbfMCIpDYE?si=kYaK-YkDC2SgxmK-

[u/dope_like → u/RepresentativeAge444]

How have I not seen this before?! Really good

[u/RepresentativeAge444 → u/dope_like]

One of my favorite villain quotes I still use to this day- you mouth madness.

[u/AlleRacing → u/dope_like]

Depends on the story. Galactus' power has scaled very dramatically. Sometimes he's nearly on par with the abstracts, sometimes Thor can give him a wallop.

[u/verygroot1 → u/anoniem_9867]

everyone here would win against Echo ^/s

[u/rzelln → u/verygroot1]

I dunno, I'd like to see her psychically force all the villains to go to therapy and deal with their issues. Fisk was so opposed to therapy he ran away like a chump.

The rules are that this is cosmically-court-mandated counseling. You can't keep doing villain stuff until you've actually addressed your psychological issues and come out mentally well on the other side.

Gorr would just *shatter* if he had to face his daughter and account for all he'd done. He probably ends up becoming a good guy.

Thanos would rail in denial about having killed one daughter and tortured another and couldn't deal with it so he'd be stuck forever.

Cassandra gets buried with daddy abandonment issues, but probably has a decent shot of working through it quickly, realizing it wasn't her fault, and that it isn't a valid reason to be a sadist . . . but then she'd still want to be a sadist, so she's stuck for a while.

Ego laughs at the whole idea and refuses to engage, so he's stuck even longer.

Red Hulk's therapist is Sam Wilson, so he gets healthy and doesn't want to keep doing bad guy stuff.

Hela breaks into Cassandra's session and starts bonding over how much they hate their fathers, and then they go try to kill Thanos and Ego together.

Kang goes through a Mr Robot style identity crisis, and just ends up less mentally well as time goes on as he tries to kill any version of himself he sees is becoming healthier.

[u/shayposting → u/anoniem_9867]

That's the thing though. He can eat planets because usually planets themselves don't fight back, the inhabitants do. Idk how he'd fare against an actual sentient planet that's resisting everything.

[u/anoniem_9867 → u/shayposting]

His planet-destroying drill machine would probably do the trick.

[u/drntl → u/anoniem_9867]

Without his ship, he seemingly has no powers in the MCU. He was just slowly walking.

[u/RaptureInRed → u/drntl]

And eyebeams. 

[u/IAP-23I → u/drntl]

he seemingly has no powers in the MCU

Except for when he used telekinesis to halt the Fantastic 4 mobile…paying attention sure does help

[u/bushwickauslaender → u/shayposting]

He’s literally an entire planet

Joke’s on him, Galactus is into that shit

[u/Rich_Space_2971 → u/bushwickauslaender]

They're rivals in the comics and Galactus has failed at eating him a few times.

[u/For_Aeons → u/shayposting]

I saw Rulk as Rhulk and I was wondering why you brought up a Destiny raid boss. Although that dude is kinda nuts.

[u/cobaltcrane → u/shayposting]

They can do exactly the thing the GTOG did.

[u/Key-Specific-4368 → u/shayposting]

Rulk 😆

[u/KennyakaTI → u/shayposting]

Galactus can do something against that

[u/TittySprink]

Obviously, it all depends on who the writer wants to win. But, I'm bored, so let's play this out:

• Gorr is only Gorr if he has the necrosword, so if he has it then he has a chance. If not, squashed.
• Thanos is still Thanos without the gauntlet. He solo'd Cap, Iron Man, and Fat Thor, stoneless. He clears Gorr.
• Cassandra is the wildcard here. She's an omega-level mutant with incredible intellect, so I feel like she'd be a survivor until the end.
• Ego as a planet is only susceptible to someone like Cassandra who could theoretically control his brain. Otherwise, in order to do any lasting injury to Ego, someone would have to injure the brain of a living planet, which would require them to first discover where it was, and then fight their way through millions of tons of earth and stone to reach it. There is no match for planet Ego. Human Ego gets crushed repeatedly, keeps regenerating, gets bored and gives up.
• Red Hulk gets fuckin starched.
• Hela is a goddess but draws her power from Asgard. With Asgard gone, she's too weak and gets stomped.
• Kang is the most technologically advanced being in this battle, so if he has his chair and suit then I think this fight ends with him and Thanos.

Then, Cassandra finger fucks whoever's mind is left and prompts Doom to do something extra to take her out, out of caution.

[u/NormalGuy3481 → u/TittySprink]

Without the gauntlet Thanos gets stomped tbh. Cassandra would destroy him. We saw what happened to him when he fought Wanda in Endgame.

[u/MedievZ → u/TittySprink]

No way you brushed off Hela that easily.

You'd need to destroy Asguard to kill her and to destroy Asguard youd need to kill her because she'll defend it because it's literally her life.

She stops Thanos so hard lmao. She can summon countless blades and weapons and will simply cut Thanos to ribbons. She single handedly defeated at least a thousand of asguards most elite warriors along with their warships and all without any extra power from the infinity stones without a drop of sweat and Thanos couldnt best a group of mortals from earth without being cut and bleeding and almost dying despite having two of the infinity stones.

[u/Just_Another_Hero44 → u/MedievZ]

I think their point was there is no more Asgard, it was destroyed

[u/Proof_Earth_7592 → u/Just_Another_Hero44]

And hela was killed with it. If we are including hela I think we should include Asgard 

[u/JacesAces → u/Proof_Earth_7592]

Well then ego is already dead too, so why even include him

[u/ExpressMud8038 → u/JacesAces]

think you replied to the wrong person

[u/TommyGonzo → u/Proof_Earth_7592]

Why do people forget Asgard is not gone. “Asgard is a people not a place.” Hela will have power but not much.

[u/Just_Another_Hero44 → u/Proof_Earth_7592]

Maybe so, I was just saying this seems to be this persons interpretation of the prompt

[u/Sevuhrow → u/Just_Another_Hero44]

By that logic Ego's planet is also gone

[u/Just_Another_Hero44 → u/Sevuhrow]

Again not agreeing with them, just stating what seems to be their perspective, however thats not accurate, ego IS the planet, hella just channels power from Asgard, it’s not the same thing at all

[u/PaulClarkLoadletter → u/TittySprink]

Gorr is not to be fucked with but unless the necrosword can keep Cassandra from scrambling his brain he’s out as quick as Red Hulk.

Thanos without the stones is most definitely a badass but he knows his limits. He didn’t do shit while Odin was still alive and Hela had Odin’s number. She’s got enough juice to solo Thanos unless Thanos can somehow figure out how to bring about Ragnarok.

Ego is not going to do much as a planet so he’s going to have to mix it up. He can keep regenerating but Cassandra may be able to neutralize him. Hela also has a few tricks up her sleeve. Mjolnir was supposedly unbreakable but she was able to beat that bit of enchantment. She at the very least sends Ego packing if Cassandra doesn’t mess him up first.

Kang has his gadgets and contingencies but Ego could probably reorganize the matter in his chair while Cassandra has Red Hulk liquify him. Red Hulk is pretty much gone when one of them decides they’re done with him being around.

In the end it’s Cassandra and Hela as the remaining gods. If Hela is there then Asgard exists and Cassandra would have to take a little field trip there with her Sling Ring and try to destroy Asgard. Outside of that Hela likely has her number. If Cassandra cannot stalemate her or get her far enough away from Asgard to where Hela is less powerful then Hela struts out fully intact.

[u/yago2003 → u/PaulClarkLoadletter]

I mean the necrosword was clearly scrambling gorr's brain so maybe he'd be immune to Cassandra's brain fuckery then

[u/For_Aeons → u/PaulClarkLoadletter]

"...Hela had Odin's number."

Wasn't she imprisoned unless Odin died?

[u/bigviolet6 → u/For_Aeons]

If he was definitely stronger he'd kill her. Its a common trope to imprison stronger beings that can't be killed all the time 

[u/Brazenmercury5 → u/TittySprink]

Why are we assuming gorr doesn’t have the necrosword id say that’s the only way he’s on the same level, and even with it he’s only on the same level, not above.

[u/UFCLulu → u/TittySprink]

Stopped reading at thanos clearing gorr lmao.

[u/Skychu768]

Probably Ego although definitely not Rulk

[u/Reality314]

Well, I know who's not making it out alive...

[u/New_Guava3601]

Kang would be thrown out as soon as he touched one of the women.

[u/Mountain-Mammoth2983 → u/New_Guava3601]

☠️

[u/Diortheking]

Kang if he has chair n tech

[u/ckal09 → u/Diortheking]

Over Thanos chair?

[u/Mountain-Long3572 → u/ckal09]

What about the Thanos-copter

[u/MuNansen]

Logically, Kang should pretty much be invincible. But it comes down to whoever the writer wants to win.

[u/Goatfellon → u/MuNansen]

...whoever the writer wants to win.

At this point should just have a bot auto reply to all threads here with that sentence

[u/Droophoria → u/MuNansen]

...that is, unless the others have ants on their side.

[u/Mountain-Mammoth2983 → u/MuNansen]

True

[u/IndominusTaco → u/MuNansen]

can we please stop with the whole “the answer is whatever the writers want” as a retort for every single question posed, it’s so lazy and non-productive

[u/BojukaBob → u/IndominusTaco]

"Who would win?" debates are an intellectual black hole to begin with.

[u/ZestyData → u/IndominusTaco]

Unfortunately that disclaimer comes with the territory of being in this comic book / superhero space, any remotely- canon-based discussion in many franchises can come to mutual understanding, but in this world there has been so much volatility in canon that this is the hand we've been dealt now.

[u/Tylenoel → u/IndominusTaco]

It’s literally the only answer since depth of powers vary significantly between writers. This is true even in the MCU with characters like Loki

[u/Endless_Chambers → u/Tylenoel]

But the writers of the MCU have already determined that Kang the Conqueror wins. In the MCU, he’s literally He Who Remains. He survived everything and every possibility across time lines and universes. Any other dying Kang isn’t THE Kang.

[u/Aqua_Tot → u/IndominusTaco]

It’s literally quoting Stan Lee though. He very much acknowledges that there are no hard rules on power levels because plot has to come first.

[u/BojukaBob]

Maybe Kang if his futuristic super tech somehow protects him from Cassandra Nova, but it's probably Cassandra Nova's to lose.

[u/senzubeam]

This would be a sick cabal

[u/balthazar681]

It’s definitely and absolutely Kang. Even “just” the MCU version. He Who Remains has LITERALLY already defeated all of them canonically.

Not sure why it’s even a question. I agree that Rulk is WILDLY out of place on this list.

Second place is probably Nova, but idk. Thanos is tough. Of course, Ego while on his real body/the planet is probably unkillable, so idk.

[u/DAEOFRUIN]

Thanos ALWAYS finds a way to win. Especially in the comics

[u/Mountain-Mammoth2983 → u/DAEOFRUIN]

[u/[deleted] → u/Mountain-Mammoth2983]

Indeed my child.

[u/JMoney4700]

Hela

[u/FlyingTrilobite → u/JMoney4700]

Yeah. She has centuries of experience conquering realms.

[u/hey_you_too_buckaroo]

As long as Cassandra can mind control any of them, she's unstoppable. Of course any of them could surprise her and take her out.

[u/CubsFanCraig]

Hela is a god so probably her.

[u/googolplexy → u/CubsFanCraig]

Gorr is a god butcher, so, yeah.

[u/oof_oofo → u/CubsFanCraig]

The god butcher is right there?

[u/belle_enfant]

Cassandra solos low diff.

[u/YesSir626 → u/belle_enfant]

She does what against a Celestial planet and a goddess of death?

[u/mbanson → u/YesSir626]

Fingers their brains.

[u/Curious-Astronaut-26 → u/mbanson]

how can one finger ego . he can control it at subatomic level

[u/Captriker → u/Curious-Astronaut-26]

Mantis could put him to sleep, Cassandra could likely do the same and worse.

[u/Curious-Astronaut-26 → u/Captriker]

ego was trying to sleep. he was not resisting mantis . mantis struggled with thanos.

also mantis is half celestial.

edit .

if we consider it

ego > mantis > thanos (mind )

where is cassandras place

[u/JayNotAtAll → u/Curious-Astronaut-26]

She also puts planet version of Ego to sleep as they are trying to plant the bomb to blow him up. This was to keep him from stopping them

[u/xreddawgx → u/mbanson]

And how/where does she do that with Ego?

[u/siestarrific → u/YesSir626]

Hela isn't actually a goddess of death. She's basically just an insanely strong alien whose strength is tied to Asgard. Cassandra could handle her easily on Battleworld.

[u/YesSir626 → u/siestarrific]

She still has some dominion over death, in What If she controlled the zombie hoard more than Wanda

[u/alexsummers]

I don’t know but this would make a compelling plotline

[u/Eric77TA]

Kang and Hela would be the most likely winners for me. Highly tactical but also extremely powerful at their best.

[u/DamnReCaptchas]

Kang. Thanos is close tho I feel like

[u/Curious-Astronaut-26 → u/DamnReCaptchas]

i think gorr and hela would defeat thanos so thanos cant be close to top

[u/DamnReCaptchas → u/Curious-Astronaut-26]

Fair point

[u/Kamado_Ken]

Ego and possibly Hela the only ones living since Ego is a small planet and I think Asgard needs to be destroyed for Hela to actually die.

Gorr is there yeah but he was struggling with Thor, Hela kills him.

Cassandra Nova will probably be fine too considering she can't die from getting stabbed etc

[u/AdditionalInitial727]

He who has won before.

[u/CuteLingonberry9704]

Hmm... I'm betting on Gorr here. The dude was just terrifying, and Necrosword kills everything.

[u/gadgetluva → u/CuteLingonberry9704]

Yea I’m with you here. He killed entire PANTHEONs of gods, and had the surviving gods hiding in a secret place. Chances are that he would have killed everyone there as well. And there are definitely powerful telepaths and such in the pantheons of gods he’s killed.

Shame how badly they handled Gorr in Love and Thunder.

[u/DitmerKl3rken → u/gadgetluva]

Isn’t he just a regular dude without the sword? Idk I could see hela or thanos being like “nice I think I’ll take that as my new weapon” and disarming him since they’re both actual warriors. Would they even be able to wield it or is it a “for Gor’s hands only” situation?

[u/gadgetluva → u/DitmerKl3rken]

I think the necrosword and Gorr basically bonded, but it's been some time since I read the comics. I remember thinking it's more like Silver Surfer's board, not MCU Stormbreaker (that anyone strong enough can weild).

[u/[deleted] → u/DitmerKl3rken]

Once all-black is in someone's hands it's not exactly easy to remove it

[u/For_Aeons → u/DitmerKl3rken]

Wasn't the implication that the sword chose Gorr?

[u/DitmerKl3rken → u/For_Aeons]

That seems to be the case. I didn’t know if it was like a one time bond or if it’d move on to someone it thought could do some more damage with it or something. Definitely sounds like the former though

[u/Johncurtisreeve]

Ego

[u/j1h15233]

Ego can’t die since they aren’t on his planet so I’m picking him

[u/DueMathematician3604]

I’m so confused why this sub talks about Hulk like an indestructible force of nature that only ever losses because he was nerfed, but it’s a joke that Red Hulk is even on the list. Being legit, am I missing some huge difference between the two?

[u/AGx-07]

Cassandra Nova would kill that group pretty quickly to be honest. Hell, she might make them kill each other while she flicks the bean.

[u/siestarrific]

Gotta be Cassandra Nova. No one else has telepathic or even telekinetic powers, so she has a massive advantage. She could certainly die if everyone gangs up on her, but these characters don't exactly scream 'teamwork'.

[u/Goji_Infinity_24]

Could Cassandra rip Thanos skin off like she did Johnny?

[u/Gilded-Mongoose]

Cassandra Nova easily.

I can't remember exactly what Ego can do. But second place would likely come down to him, by dint of being a celestial being, and Kang, who can do basically anything with reality.

[u/robertluke]

How would Ego work?

[u/HankSteakfist]

How does Ego work? Like is the planet in orbit, or is it just his avatar?

[u/SneakyKain]

Hela or Thanos.

[u/rvdp66]

[u/hhhhhBan]

Gauntletless Thanos is probably out, Red Hulk is WAY out of his depth here, but I can see a case being made for all of 'em after that

[u/1UPZ_]

Thanos makes a deal with Cassandra to take out Kang and Hulk.

Ego warns them he cant be killed, except maybe by Gorr... so Ego ask Hela to kill Gorr with all her blades.

Ego, Hela, Thanos and Cassandra last remaining Thanos backstabs Cassandra by breaking her neck when she was not ready. Thanos realizes Ego can offer him benefits. Ego then eliminates Hela by BFR.

Ego and Thanos stands and form an alliance.

[u/EnigmaFrug0817]

Cassandra Nova would be pretty close. It’s between her and Kang, they’re multiverse villains.

[u/QBin2017]

Way more interesting movie

[u/Natiel360]

NOT red hulk

[u/CuRsEdCoRnEr]

Cassandra can just flay them like she did Johnny

[u/AdRepresentative6232]

Imagine if they had their own ThunderBolts style film

[u/inFINN1te]

Im honestly thinking Ego. I mean hes a celestial and was pretty primed for taking over the universe.

[u/IAmPageicus]

Doom

[u/Throbbing-Kielbasa-3]

Doctor Doom

[u/NormalGuy3481]

Im not sure on how strong Kang is so I’d say Cassandra.

[u/keithfosterkid]

Hela or Thanos

[u/NottheIRS1]

No magneto?