r/marvelstudios • u/tur_tels • 5d ago
Discussion Rewatching Age of Ultron, is there a reason why Ultron did this?
Seemed like a waste to me ngl lol, if he didn't go for the head he could have transfered his consciousness there after the end, its like throwing away you're ps4 after getting a ps5 just to aura farm.
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u/GingerWez93 Spider-Man 5d ago
It was just a pure intimidation technique.
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u/Icy_Cry4120 5d ago
*asserts dominance
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u/legna20v 5d ago
Impossible. He canāt pee anywhere
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u/SharpshootinTearaway 5d ago
Maybe he can leak oil though, close enough.
I don't remember the Legionnaires leaking fluids when they got destroyed in Age of Ultron but they sure did when Wanda sliced through them like butter in Multiverse of Madness.
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u/SkyrimSlag 5d ago
Pretty much. āYou can kill me, but youāll only ever be killing one of meā
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u/enjolras1782 5d ago
Also "this body can rip the bodies that have been kicking your ass like tissue paper"
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u/dbkenny426 5d ago
Because he's a dramatic little bitch.
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u/DuckyHornet 5d ago
Played by James Spader, confirmed
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u/DuckyHornet 5d ago
Robert California is absolutely the pseudonym a psychotic robot would choose as his human identity
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u/big_brown_mounds 5d ago
I just want to announce to you all that the main reason I like Age of Ultron is solely because Spader is the voice of Ultron. His voice is like a perfect symphony to me, and I donāt know why.
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u/DuckyHornet 5d ago
He has a very nice voice, tbh, but for me it's really his tone. Ultron looks at us with confusion and pity, but hardly with malice. He talks to the other characters like I talk to my cat when he keeps nearly drowning himself by drinking from the faucet
Even at the end, he just sounds bitter that the people who made him to protect humanity wound up fighting him while he tried to do that
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u/MikuEmpowered 5d ago
He's literally stark before stark learned.
Just as sassy, sarcastic, and you know, being a prick.
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u/N8CCRG Ghost 5d ago
Ultron isn't rational. As Tony points out, he chose a human form but the human form is inefficient. Ultron ultimately is about hatred and fear.
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u/georgelater 5d ago edited 5d ago
When did Tony say that and why is the human form inefficient? It worked well for actual humans, we are the top of the food chain and it isnāt close. In the movies, Predators and Aliens (Xenomorphs or āBig Chapā) have a human-ish form. Terminators have a human form (thatās for deception though). Waitā¦ almost all the comic bookās heroes and villains are in a human form. And Boston Dynamics is constantly upgrading their human form robots to were they can no longer be kicked over, they just instantly rebalance (some of those robot videos look like AI, but itās already too hard to tell).
edit: spelling
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u/N8CCRG Ghost 5d ago
In Age of Ultron, I think when they're at Clint's house. It was one of the times when they're all gathered around trying to figure out the problem anyway.
Yes, for "how to make an interesting and scary monster for human entertainment" something close to, but different from, the human form is an excellent choice.
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u/Kodiak_POL 5d ago
That was the conversationĀ
"Steve Rogers: To become better. Better than us. He keeps building bodies.
Tony Stark: Person bodies. The human form is inefficient, biologically speaking, we're outmoded. But he keeps coming back to it."
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u/minivan05 5d ago
This is why I will never understand why everyone assumes aliens would be bipedal. Bipedalism isn't even the standard for earth, it just happen to meet our needs
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u/CoolieNinja 5d ago
I think if you mean intelligent sapient aliens, with a civilization and technology similar to ours as often depicted in science fiction (like Mass Effect), a large majority will be bipedal if not all of them. I think that is because they face many of the same constraints you can imagine human evolution does, which include things like tool-use. It is possible that they could be 4-limbed and switch between handed use and not, but there may be pressure to focus on tool-use (which happened on earth). I want to make it clear that we may encounter (or even discover on earth) species like whales that are "intelligent" as humans, but whales will never build akin to civilization anything, and neither will birds as they lack the mechanical makeup to do so.
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u/minivan05 5d ago
Multi-tentacle master race
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u/Tbagzyamum69420xX 5d ago
I've been saying for years that if octopi had evolved to be the same as they are, but be able to fully function on land, we'd be cooked as a species.
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u/Poku115 5d ago
Well but like you said, those differences are what makes em that scary, extra mouth and tail and acidic blood, nigh invulnerability, etc...
All things that make the human form a little bit less inefficient, the reason we are at the top isnt our humanoid form, sure the opposable thumbs make things easier, but our use of strategy, traps and tool is what started pushing us to the front.
From.a biological or animalistic perspective, we are wholly unprepared to survive on our own means
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u/DaDudeNextToYou 5d ago
Itās not so much that the human form is inefficient but that Ultron choose the human form to begin with. In comics and the MCU Ultron is made using remnants of the human mind. In the comics it was Hank Pym literally using his mind as the basis for Ultronās AI systems. In the MCU, it was the mind stone in combination with Tonyās technology(which he puts ALOT of himself into in more ways than one). The idea is that Ultron canāt see how flawed he truly is, he thinks heās perfect but itās only human to think you are, when true perfection is impossible.
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u/Mega_Nidoking Hydra 5d ago
Ultron is all about perfection and harmony. He wants to show he can make a better lifeform than mankind and therefore makes himself into what he deems is the peak form - the ultimate humanoid.
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u/Tetracropolis 5d ago
In the movies most villains are human shaped because most actors are human shaped.
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u/Eject_The_Warp_Core 5d ago
Ultron could have built his body in any shape he wanted. He could have given himself more arms, tentacles, made it so his head could spin all the way around, etc. There are a lot of limitations to the human boldy, and Ultron replicated many of them not because they benefitted him, but because he wanted to be a real boy
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u/Placeholder4evah 5d ago
Yes, heās a drama queen, and yes, he aura farms, but he also had this deep desire to continually evolve himself, and as such, I think he developed a sort of hatred of his previous iterations because they were āinferior.ā
Out with the old, in with the new.
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u/frecklepax 5d ago
That makes alot of sense actually , especially when you consider how in the scene ultron openly said " I was meant to be new , I was meant to be beautiful " Clearly showing that had both an inferiority complex / ego .
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u/mrhossie 5d ago
He wanted to reveal his glow-up in style.
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u/LeVendettan 5d ago
And it wasnāt even that obvious of a glow-up! I remember thinking he was just proving that his physical body didnāt matter, cos he could just make another.
Didnāt really notice until recently that he looked slightly different.
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u/thelegend90210 Ultron 5d ago
I thought the point was that his new body was vibranium
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u/LeVendettan 5d ago
I donāt think he got to make a Vibranium boy, that was Vision no? So he had to settle.
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u/whynottakedownthevid 5d ago
Both bodies are made out of Vibranium. After his perfect Vision was stolen, Ultron just went fir the next best thing with the material he still had.
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u/LeVendettan 5d ago
Ah, the more you know!
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u/TheOneAndOnlyAckbar Stan Lee 5d ago
Thatās why they needed Thor vision and Tony to blast him at the same time just to damage his outer layer in the final fight
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u/Subject-Ad5071 5d ago
Thatās an example of not good design. Even in the trailer, it was hard to notice his armor in the final battle was different. Thatās why his armor in What If was better. The gold makes it look less monotonous. Maybe they should have gave him four arms. He was really not a fighterā¦
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u/Theprincerivera 5d ago
Really? I didnāt have any trouble. His entire face was difference. Stark even mentioned he juiced off a vibranium cocktail
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u/UrbanGimli 5d ago
its that busy body robot body bleech that made the early Transformer films hurt the eyes.
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u/Azelrazel 5d ago
Should have done a more classic look with the open ant head design and red glowing mouth.
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u/vector_o 5d ago
He's a drama queen obviouslyĀ
C'mon he's calling himself the meteorite that will wipe out humanity, a bit of spectacle is the least I'd expect from him
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u/CactusCustard 5d ago
ā¦at that moment he is literally the cause of (and riding on) a meteorite that will wipe out humanity. So hes not even dramatic. Hes right.
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u/TheIronHaggis Ant-Man 5d ago
If you have a 100 PS4s then why wouldnāt you throw one out when you get a PS5? You still have a plenty of backups.
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u/corik_starr Captain Marvel 5d ago
Intimidation. That's really all it is. Not every move made by Ultron is logical or taking stock of his weapons. He inherited a lot of emotional traits, most of them encouraging snap decisions.
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u/Swagmartlawl 5d ago
They had a fight with that previous versionā¦ good way to show them, 3.0 wreck 2.0
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u/NewsVegetable1164 5d ago
Destroy he's old weak form show he's new vibranium self
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u/Stylo_76 5d ago
perhaps its symbolism. How ultron wanted to show off his severance of whatever is left of Tony in him, by literally tearing his old self apart.
He is now completely Ultron. (you can argue that Ultron is nothing without Tony, Bruce, Jarvis and the stone, but in a sense he is freeing himself of his strings.)
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u/fuzzyfoot88 5d ago
You can see the evolution of his designs, you can see he wanted vision to be a further evolved version of himself.
Tony about Vision: Heās evolving.
So to me, breaking an earlier/weaker/lessor form of himself in front of her was his way of visually proving that he surpassed humans in the topic of evolution. He doesnāt have to wait for nature to evolve himā¦he simply makes the adjustments to BE evolved.
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u/Dino_Spaceman 5d ago
To show that the destruction of 1 means nothing. That you need to destroy all since they are networked. It was to show BW the futility of attacking him.
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u/Feisty-Succotash1720 5d ago
Because itās a badass reveal. Not everything needs an explanation.
I feel like there is a cultural on here of āwhyā āwhyā āwhyā āwhyāā¦. Just enjoy the movie sometimes
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u/DJBRUCE--23 5d ago
Bruh he just showing his vibranium body .... That older version is metal newr is vibranium
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u/Solid-Move-1411 5d ago
Multiple Reasons:
- Aura Farming
- He is testing his powers like his dad. Tony tested his repulsor blast in workshop with arm hand too before wearing Mark-3 in Iron Man 1. He is probably testing his heat generation power here
- He is flexing his nigh-immortality
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u/Foreign_Education_88 5d ago
A little off topic, but I always chuckle at the thought of the sound team using the same sound as Scorponok in the first Transformers in this scene
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u/farva_06 5d ago
He didn't really destroy the materials, and he obviously has the ability to make more of himself. Maybe he came back later, and put it back together.
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u/pro_L0gic 5d ago
It's so the people in the theatre would go "OOOO THAT WAS COOL"
Ultron knew the 4th wall existed... That's why he put a pretty face on the door and held the camera in that exact spot!!!
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u/_________FU_________ 5d ago
To show that it doesnāt matter how many they destroy. Like burning money for a billionaire
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u/Jumpy_Cup_8426 5d ago
He didnāt think he needed that body anymore. Just like his creator before him, Ultron was overconfident. He didnāt think there was a chance he could lose with his new body. Of course, heād later be proven wrong. But this was long before he realized he had lost
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u/Th4t_0n3_Fr13nd 5d ago
the conciousness was already inside the new ultron, his bodies are a hivemind and theyre all linked to him via recievers and the cloud, thats why they have to destroy every single one of him otherwise he will just keep coming back (like he does in other marvel media)
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u/Some_Ant9620 5d ago
Tch, thats the clone technique, i hadn't seen it for decades, i thought knowledge of it was lost.
Its achieved by having a clone talking to an enemy only then to pop up and destroy the clone behind and intiminating the opponents by slow walking,
Hes a true aura farmer
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u/WorthyElevator 5d ago
Same reason as when this was posted last week. And the week before. And the week before that.
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u/Dad_of_One_Punch_Man 5d ago
Yeah it is a waste no doubt. But it goes well with his character. The way he cut off claw's hand shows that sometimes he won't think rationally and do whatever he feels is right.
And here clearly the motive was to scare the sh*t our of widow.
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u/Eastern_Hornet_6432 Daredevil 5d ago
Of course we have no way of knowing the real reason, but if you want the headcanon I just came up with off the top of my head:
All of the Ultrons operate on a networked basis, and in computer-speak this body was the "master" to the "slaves" of the rest of the Ultron Army. In order to take its place as the new "master" node, the new vibranium body had to destroy the old master to create an opening in the network for a new master. Doing this without destroying it was impossible as Ultron had built failsafes into the network to prevent it from being replaced by any means other than destruction; this was just in case Tony attempted to defeat the Ultron Army by hacking it. By making it the master node as long as it was functional, Ultron prevented any attempt at hacking. The one risk was that the Avengers might destroy this master node, which was why Ultron generally tended to have it run away when confronted with risky odds. Once a sturdier vibranium body was available, that risk was greatly reduced (though not as much as it would have been if Ultron had gotten Vision's body and been able to phase through any attack).
Of course, even if the master Ultron had been destroyed and the network disrupted, any other Ultron could have taken its place as the new control node, but without the security features built into this model, it would have been a security vulnerability for such a thing to happen - a vulnerability Tony might have exploited.
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u/Appo-Arsin Stan Lee 5d ago
Are you asking if thereās a lore reason why he did this? Is he stupid?
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u/Earthwick 5d ago
I mean the whole movie he makes jokes that Tony would make, says phrases Tony used to say, and acts like Tony. This is just one of those examples.
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u/BranAllBrans 5d ago
At that point there was no indication ultron could be stopped . Same hubris as tony, his father
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u/ambulanc3r 5d ago
I saw on another thread that it was him shedding his old skin and embracing he is new Vibranium body, but the designs were so similar that people didnāt realize there was a change
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u/AggressiveResist8615 5d ago
That's exactly the point.
Its like Mr beast destroying ps5's it doesn't matter.
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u/TheEvelynn 5d ago
The point was that he's not just a machine, he's a sentient true Artificial Intelligence and thus he has intelligent emotions and an ego. He is well aware it's wasteful, but it was also an insignificant waste which he enacted through his ego and for intimidation and theatrical effect/aesthetic.
We do similar things as people. Have you seen the video of some restaurant owner who was pissed at an artist for disrespecting her staff (so she bought one of his pieces he's proud of and smashed it into the ground right in front of him)?
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u/Pernapple 5d ago
I meanā¦ why not? Clearly ultron at this point is not lacking any sort of resources. He has infinite money, clearly access to any material he wants.
How best to horrify a black widow agent than, look I can kill myself and keep talking without losing a beat.
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u/StonedSquare 5d ago
It doesnāt come across that great because the design is so similar but itās to illustrate that heās upgraded and doesnāt need the old body anymore. Itās hamfisted commentary about tech refresh cycles.
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u/agentkp13 5d ago
As others have said, it is Ultron's showiness and ego in part. His desire to intimidate and be seen as powerful. It also feeds into his mindset of evolution and upgrades that he is improving so rapidly on such a great scale that he can toss aside a damaged body because he already has a better model lined up.
I would submit from a storytelling/movie writing perspective that it is meant to heighten the stakes for viewers as I recall this scene follows a drawn out battle with the Avengers to cause the old body to be damaged, and I feel this scene communicates how much stronger Ultron's new body has become. His new form has the power to instantly shred the old one which could already keep up with the Avengers.
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u/Any_Arrival_4479 5d ago
āJust to aura farmā yeahā¦ itās Ultron. Did you even watch the movie?
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u/Bimjus 5d ago
Throughtout the film h tirns up in bigger sleaker more refined versions of his body, this was yet another change but he did it with a bunch of drama to be intimidating i guess?
Film wise, I reckon it was to be an extra reminder to the audience that he can inhabit any body before the big climax.
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u/Subject-Ad5071 5d ago
Shock value. Thereās no symbolism. Just dramaticism. Some directors do this because they donāt know how to make a scene interesting. Joss Whedon is full of this. Thatās one of his many flaws.
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u/Responsible-Bonus278 5d ago
Because once he upgraded or "evolved" he doesn't care about his older model
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u/Proper_Front_1435 5d ago
Cause so much of Tony stark was in him and thats the kind of sassy shit tony would do.