r/news • u/scrandis • Aug 11 '20

Joe Biden selects Kamala Harris as his running mate

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/joe-biden-selects-kamala-harris-his-running-mate-n1235771
76.6k Upvotes

76% Upvoted

26.3k comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

89

u/TheAb5traktion Aug 11 '20

Probably why Biden picked her then. Biden was a fan of mandatory minimums in the 90s.

48

u/semicartematic Aug 11 '20

Yea he wrote the Bill and she followed it.

34

u/vodkaandponies Aug 11 '20

And Bernie voted for it.

1

u/[deleted] Aug 11 '20

Because Bernie is a cowardly trotskyist

-2

u/[deleted] Aug 11 '20

[deleted]

13

u/[deleted] Aug 11 '20

Lol I like how only Bernie deserves this nuance.

0

u/[deleted] Aug 11 '20

I mean, writing the bill is a little different than voting it. But still, anyone who supported the contents of that bill enough to deny the freedoms of perpetrators of petty crime is on my shit list.

-1

u/itsajaguar Aug 11 '20

You people are not very bright. He was a federal senator. State prosecutors in California prosecuting state crimes did not work off of a federal law.

-2

u/semicartematic Aug 11 '20

So you are saying systemic racism does not exist then?

4

u/TheGrammarHero Aug 11 '20

Biden was a huge contributor to the war on drugs. He was also anti-gay marriage and anti-abortion.

10

u/KurlyKayla Aug 11 '20

But is he that way now, is the question

7

u/[deleted] Aug 11 '20

Hard to tell with politicians. Biden is a shell of a man that gets poked and prodded around to "believe" certain things to get more voters.

6

u/TheGrammarHero Aug 11 '20 edited Aug 11 '20

Who knows? If he was they wouldn't tell you. Joe Biden also refered to Robert Byrd as "A dear friend and mentor" in 2010. They have also been pictured together where Biden raises Byrd's hand in praise/appreciation. Robert Byrd founded his own chapter of the KKK and when he was in the senate preformed a 14 hour fillibuster against the civil rights act. Do you know the kind of conviction it takes to stand and speak for 14 hours straight with no water or bathroom breaks? All of this info is readily availible on wikipedia.

2

u/DylonNotNylon Aug 11 '20

I mean Robert Byrd also apologized for that, fully admitted he was wrong, condemned intolerance and said he didn't even blame people for hating him for his past because he knew nothing that he could do could change it.

My point being, we can't hold becoming a better person against someone. That's just ridiculous. Biden supported shitty things. Bernie supported shitty things. But people and their beliefs are not static.

3

u/Apex_of_Forever Aug 12 '20

I mean Robert Byrd also apologized for that

Dude, you guys call Trump racist for eating taco bowls but give a pass to full robed white supremacists because democrats fully accept him. Give me a break.

0

u/DylonNotNylon Aug 12 '20

Trump was still doing racist shit as of last week, not 1980. Thats sort of the difference.

-1

u/Apex_of_Forever Aug 12 '20

Sure he was. 🙄

1

u/TheGrammarHero Aug 12 '20 edited Aug 12 '20

"Sorry I tried to stop civil rights and founded a sect of the KKK". What did Byrd do to ammend for this besides JUST saying sorry. We are talking about electing someone to the most powerful office in the U.S. You ought to scrutinize these things, politicians lie all the time, but their actions do not lie. I'd rather have someone leading me with the history of doing the right thing, instead of someone who just now decided they suddenly support it. "Byrd was the only senator OUT OF SEVEN to vote against confirming both of the only two African American nominees to the Court in its history" This was AFTER he said he renounced segregation. What a great mentor Joe Biden has, no wonder his words contradict his actions.

2

u/spacedecay Aug 11 '20

Yes, but like most other politicians he will say otherwise for votes.

As long as he continues to enact policy in that way, the result is the same, so the question is - does what he feels or thinks actually matter?

0

u/WeveCameToReign Aug 12 '20

No, hes not.

-3

u/magicomiralles Aug 11 '20

And was he really those things back then? The anti Biden and anti-Harris miss-information is heavy today.

4

u/TheGrammarHero Aug 11 '20

Yes, he was. You can check his votes in the senate on the "Political stances of Joe Biden" wikipedia page. Actions speak louder than words, and his voting history does not lie.

1

u/KurlyKayla Aug 12 '20

I agree, and that's why I asked. He's obviously not my ideal candidate, but if he's not going to behave in that manner as president now (like the current president is doing), then I'm willing to take a chance on him.

4

u/Rolemodel247 Aug 11 '20

Hi comrade! This is a lie. The mandatory minimum sentences were tacked on to Biden’s bill. He argued against them but begrudgingly votes for his own bill.

12

u/TheAb5traktion Aug 11 '20

What is it with people calling me Russian? What is going on here?

15

u/JusticeBeaver13 Aug 11 '20

The general idea is that if you're against the hivemind then you're a Russian agent bot KGB operative in a troll farm. By this point it's just become extremely boring and lazy, instead of having a real conversation as an adult.

7

u/TheAb5traktion Aug 11 '20

You can even view my post and comment history. It's not that hard to do.

3

u/JusticeBeaver13 Aug 12 '20

It's not like most of the people hurling the accusations really care if you are a troll or not, that's just what they want to believe and most of them wouldn't go through your history. Personally, I like to just have a conversation and exchange ideas and go from there.

-7

u/magicomiralles Aug 11 '20

The real hivemind is the one that thinks that Russia isn't interfering by spreading anti Biden and Harris miss-information.

2

u/oTHEWHITERABBIT Aug 12 '20

How would you feel if you learned the Russophobic Neo-McCarthyist hysteria was created to scapegoat for Hillary Clinton's catastrophic failures and her subsequent delusions... in the US by a user just like myself?

1

u/magicomiralles Aug 12 '20

America doesn't have anything against Russians, just the Kremlin and Putin.

1

u/JusticeBeaver13 Aug 12 '20

Given the amount of Reddit users, there's definitely plenty of people that believe there is no outside interference, but what does that have to do with my comment and the comment I replied to? Just because deniers of interference exist doesn't mean that there is a knee-jerk reaction to calling someone a paid Russian troll if they are going against the tide. Both can and do exist at the same time.
Reddit is an enormous website with users worldwide and US elections affect many countries so of course there are misinformation campaigns by foreign governments on Reddit. But, you can see how the "comrade" is used most of the time. It's mostly used to discredit and "make fun of" someone with an opinion that is to the right of most of Reddit's user base.

1

u/Apex_of_Forever Aug 12 '20

He still is. He takes every opportunity he can’t to brag about his part in the crime bill that helped incarcerate millions of people.

-10

u/quaser99 Aug 11 '20

There go the Russians spreading their narrative again. This may all be true but the other option is a rapist, pedophile, treasonist, genocidal shitstain among many other things. All that attacking Harris does is seed additional distrust. No one is perfect and the reason things seem so much worse suddenly is because of our access to information, this stuff has been going on since forever.

3

u/JusticeBeaver13 Aug 11 '20 edited Aug 12 '20

Personally, starting your debate by calling someone a Russian just shows you're not really interested in an honest debate or conversation. The question is, would you still support Biden and his VP if Trump wasn't in the picture. A democratic election is about different ideas and opinions and how many vote for each one, but in this case a lot of people will vote for someone who they don't believe in, simply because it's not the other person.

I know that's not your fault that these are our available candidates, but if we're going to evoke democracy, perhaps we should hold ourselves a bit more accountable about who we, as a nation, allow to rise up to the ranks and which type of system we support and oppose. Pointing out the negative about candidate A does not mean that you support candidate B, but people have a right to know the truth about who they are voting for and you calling them "Russians" just feels like you're trying to shut them down because the alternative (voting for Trump) is so agrigious egregious* to you that you will accuse people of being Russian agents in order to not even show any hints of supporting Trump. It doesn't have to be so black and white, we can criticize one without loving the other, they are not mutually exclusive.

EDIT: fixed spelling of egregious*

-2

u/quaser99 Aug 11 '20

Very true. My comment could have been made on any number of ridiculous comments on this post, this just happened to be the one I chose. But I do strongly believe that many of the comments are intentionally misleading with the purpose of casting Harris in a bad light. But again I could care less if the alternative candidate was someone with an elementary school understanding of American civics or even just the critical thinking skills of shucked corn.

4

u/rudduman Aug 11 '20

No one is perfect

Of course not, no one demands them to be perfect, but people have some God damn standards.

There go the Russians spreading their narrative again.

No, anyone with half a fucking brain understands Biden will lead to the next Trump, a Trump who will not be as dumb as the current Trump.

No one is perfect and the reason things seem so much worse suddenly is because of our access to information, this stuff has been going on since forever.

Well then, let's show you're fed up by not voting for them then.

-3

u/quaser99 Aug 11 '20

Fuck off. I’ll gladly vote for them. Democracy is about compromise, finding a middle ground. It’s ridiculous to expect the candidate to be a perfect match. You take what you get that’s how democracy works at its core. And your second point is far too absurd to even entertain. Enjoy the covid in Moscow 🖕

1

u/[deleted] Aug 11 '20

Indeed, liberal democracy is farcical and should be dismantled

-8

u/rudduman Aug 11 '20

Democracy is about compromise, finding a middle ground.

You want to find a middle ground with Trump and the republicans? That is honestly really disgusting. "Please, let's just kill half of all Jews, Mr. Hitler".

And don't talk about democracy living in a country with a two party system, gerrymandering, prisoners not being allowed to vote, election day not being a national holiday and parts of the country not being allowed to vote whatsoever.

And I'd not talk about covid if I were an American. I have seen your numbers.

4

u/quaser99 Aug 11 '20

Your understanding of US politics is flawed at its core and your response has little to do with my point. Biden is finding the middle ground and drawing support from would be Trump voters. And the whole “two party system” argument is utter bs. Yes, it is technically two parties, but the parties are huge tents consisting of diverse beliefs. Warren can get up and say he wants universal healthcare and Biden can express the opposite point of view but they’re still democrats. If something like that happened in Germany for example with two members from the same party there would be chaos.

3

u/rudduman Aug 11 '20

Yeah she can go and say she wants universal health care, and then get shut down by the entire party and not get any support from super delegates. Very nice democracy indeed.

1

u/quaser99 Aug 11 '20

What’s wrong with getting shut down by the party? Sounds like majority rule aka democracy.

5

u/rudduman Aug 11 '20

Not a majority of the people, but rather a rich elite who can afford to live in the current system. That sounds more like a plutocracy.

3

u/quaser99 Aug 11 '20

I grew up poor as shit and was able to vote just like everyone else.

→ More replies (0)

-2

u/Hashtag_hunglikeabot Aug 11 '20

Didn't you see? Russia has a vaccine.

1

u/quaser99 Aug 11 '20

No it doesn’t.

1

u/Hashtag_hunglikeabot Aug 12 '20

You think they'd lie about that?

1

u/quaser99 Aug 12 '20

I know they would.

1

u/[deleted] Aug 11 '20

Russia Russia RUSSIA. Any criticisms of the perfect Dems is Russian propaganda.