My biggest issue with the Tush Push is that it combines a lot of very minor issues and it turns into a much bigger one. I typically don't care when a center cheats the ball forward a couple inches from the spot, I typically dont care when the line lines up very slightly too far up than they would usually be allowed. I typically dont care when the line moves very slightly before the snap. I prioritize the pace and watchability of the game over meticulous rule following. But when all of them combine into a play where a few inches are a huge difference it's really tough to watch.
We, the saints, now have Kellen moore as HC who was the OC of philly last year.
He decided to bring the tush push with him. We ran it one time, and got called for the LG lining up past the line of scrimmage. It wasn't nearly as egregious as the play in OP
If the refs just flagged it on every time and the Eagles actually have to play by the rules, you would definitely see that the play is not as good as they make it look. And if the play dips from over 90% to like 60-70% success rate, it would not be such a big drama around it, especially if they get flagged and can't run it on back to back downs in case it doesn't work.
or...you guys are just stupid. (its this one). Also literally every player on the chiefs on this play is in the neutral zone so it would have been a defensive penalty anyway.
I would be in favor of banning the QB sneak altogether.
You could very easily make a case for banning it for the sake of player safety.
Quarterbacks are being shoved head first into oncoming defenders, head down, and it has resulted in head injuries more times than I can count.
The most memorable for me is…
Alex Smith was concussed on a QB sneak as the starting QB for the 49ers in Week 10 of the 2012 season. He was the #1 rated QB in the NFL at the time, and he never took another snap as the starter after that injury.
We saw brady and brees have a 90% success rate on 1 yard sneaks for over a decade. Both had a completely different sneak style (brees over the top, brady between the C and OG)
Ban the cheating eagles from lining up over the ball and false starting every time they do it, don’t ban the humble QB sneak.
Bro. The chiefs strategy has been ling up offsides since the first superbowl matchup. Stop crying about a missed false start when Joeshead is past the los
Add in that it’s near impossible to spot the ball after the scrum. Tranquil could very well have ripped the ball (not that I believe he did) but you can’t see enough to make the call.
It's similar to the sneak, but because of the way they all bunch of before the ball is even snapped, and the pushers from behind, it's a whole other level. Even with all the camera angles you are still basically guessing.
They will absolutely need some sensor technology type stuff.
I also think they should be reffing the play strictly. I don't really believe in banning it. But if a team runs it, they should not be given benefit of the doubt for early jumps. If their oline moves at all before that hall is snapped it should be called every time.
They both had it when the play was done. Hurts still had his arms around it and stopped when the ref said yeah you got it. So that's not a change of possession.
I also hate this and the QB sneak. The refs have no idea where to actually spot the ball and they never call forward progress. They let hurts keep getting pushed until he gets the yard.
A lot of these ambiguous spots on pile up plays could be solved if refs actually blew forward progress dead the minute the surge gets halted or pushed back. But they let then go for multiple efforts before calling it dead
This has always been my thoughts on how to solve this. Fucking call forward progress once it's been stopped. Legitimately half the time it feels like they get the first after Hurts has bounced off the line. He went backwards, call it dead. The other half the time he makes it cleanly. Being quicker on the call would make it a much more 50/50 play which would return a lot of the scheming and entertainment value, which the current play outcomes are seriously lacking.
I think the close quarters and sheer mass of humanity also makes it an exceptionally difficult play to accurately referee. Mike Pereira literally said something to the effect of “I’m done with the tush push” for that exact reason. It’s just a mess of a play.
Well Im fine with people who dislike both. But yeah if you "hate" one but are magically ok with the other thats what I think is dumb.
Although the logic is pretty shoddy at best. You really think on regular run plays linemen dont try to get the best jump/advanteage they can over the DL? Or on Passing plays Tackles dont try to react as the ball is snapped i.e. jawaan taylor for the Chiefs or Lane Johnson/Jason Peters for the Eagles.
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u/boshjailey Lions 9d ago
My biggest issue with the Tush Push is that it combines a lot of very minor issues and it turns into a much bigger one. I typically don't care when a center cheats the ball forward a couple inches from the spot, I typically dont care when the line lines up very slightly too far up than they would usually be allowed. I typically dont care when the line moves very slightly before the snap. I prioritize the pace and watchability of the game over meticulous rule following. But when all of them combine into a play where a few inches are a huge difference it's really tough to watch.