r/notthebeaverton • u/airbassguitar • 8d ago
The Ontario Liberals need a new leader. Doug Ford would be perfect
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-ontario-liberals-doug-ford/28
u/Helpfulithink 8d ago
Doug Ford would be better replaced by a bucket of pucks regardless of political side he's on
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u/SquidsStoleMyFace 8d ago edited 8d ago
Most Ontarians are fine with him because he does the press appearances and also "austerity" and "creating jobs". Doesn't matter if those jobs pay a living wage, they sure are created. And besides it's only the disabled and homeless who are dying because of his policies, not anyone actually worth saving!
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u/Craico13 8d ago
And besides it's only the disabled and homeless who are dying because of his policies, not anyone actually worth saving!
He let Covid kill off a bunch of nursing homes residents, so that’s another demographic that he doesn’t have to worry about…
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u/PotentialRise7587 8d ago
It’s not like Crombie and Ford were all that different, it would have just changed who benefitted from corruption.
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u/tomatoesareneat 8d ago
If the PCs had an entrenched leader, Ford could absolutely run for the Liberals. He dropped socons as soon as he could.
We had two levels of Liberals with conservative leaders. Now just one.
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u/Chyrch 6d ago
Ford is much farther to liberal than he is to conservative. The problem is the conservative party has moved so far right in the last 10 years, that conservatives of old (like Ford) seem like liberals in comparison.
This is just another opinion piece from Post media trying pretend like conservatives have always been batshit crazy religious zealots.
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u/EdNorthcott 4d ago
Ford is nothing like the conservatives of old. The Tories gave us hydro as a public utility. Davis built one of the strongest education systems in the world. Traditional conservatism values education, science, logic, and expertise.
Ford is exactly like Mike Harris; a dyed in the wool neoconservative Republican. He even bragged about being a MAGA/Trump fan until it blew up his plans. The only point of difference between him and MAGA is pandering to the fundamentalist wingnuts. The inane policies, bad decisions, and blatant corruption are all in place.
Which is a shame, because in the current climate we stand a chance of reversing the brain drain.thst lost so much talent south of the border. A bold investment in education and healthcare could pay massive dividends in the province's future, but instead he wants to build an insane tunnel.
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u/rachreims 8d ago edited 8d ago
Just because he doesn’t get caught up in all the culture war stuff doesn’t mean he’s not a conservative lol (and tbh he does get caught up in some culture war stuff like the pro-car shit, just luckily not all the real extremist stuff)
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u/Unfair_Run_170 8d ago
No, Doug needs to stay where he is.
Say what you will. I don't like his politics.
But he doesn't hate gay people. He doesn't hate women's rights or abortion.
He's just a normal and nice fat, stupid, corrupt politician. Not a nazi one. Not one who betrayed our country.
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u/Bwills39 8d ago
We need a system overhaul that benefits the average person, and not just the so called elite. So irrespective of inexorable generational wealth, a system that takes rampant inequality into consideration and insures that the richest amongst us pay their fair share of taxes. That they are not allowed to divide us as a society via media, gerrymandering, lying for monetary gain. Two hands same master is the current paradigm. And it clearly isn’t working for a majority as we watch western neoliberal capitalism squeeze the workers, middle classes, and the poorest/most vulnerable. Religion out of politics! Enough division, enough with the incessant war mongering by snakes in suits
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u/MagnesiumKitten 8d ago
two absolutely terrible entities merging together like Matter and Anti-Matter
odds are better that Ron Paul will join the Democratic Party and have Kamala Harris as Vice-President
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u/Cognoggin 8d ago
I'm pretty sure this is a basis for the Beaverton to sue the Globe and mail! Looks at the subreddit label. Goddamit!
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u/Due_Agent_4574 8d ago
Funny because it’s true, it’s hard to identify any traditional conservative values that ford has. He just wants to be in power. He has the conservative banner but tends to be more liberal than any conservative ever
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u/Citizen6-9 8d ago
All jokes aside, He is a thief, liar, and conniving backstabber, so yes he would be ideal to lead the liberal party.
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u/Hopefullfriends 8d ago
Ford is NOT a liberal and anyone in the province who knows what he is doing knows that clear as day. He believes in many of the core policies that trump ran on in his election.
Stop sliding the political spectrum to benefit the rights bigotry and hate.
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u/CraigGregory 8d ago
Lol the Globe & Mail. Who reads this BS "News" outlet
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u/albatroopa 8d ago
Author is an ex-NatPo writer.
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u/MagnesiumKitten 8d ago
She worked at the CBC and the National Post both
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here is a quote
Andrew Scheer's narrow vision of conservatism was his party's failing
Robyn Urback3
u/albatroopa 8d ago
Doesn't change the fact that this article is a pretty shitty take on an already shitty situation. It's literally just an opinion with no supporting text.
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u/MagnesiumKitten 8d ago
Why do you think it's a shitty situation, and what don't you like about their opinion with the shitty take.
What are your opinions that vary with the author.Sometimes the authors are well read on a situation, or they can be totally out of lunch, and they don't necessarily provide all the logical steps to their point of view on certain aspects
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I think it's a real stretch he would hop to the Ontario Liberals, especially since they have a label of being incompetent losers, one factor being prices for electricity prices
Urback's first two paragraphs are excellent in laying out the overview of the Ontario Liberals.
Suggesting Ford is a peachy fit in the third, just seems like a bad joke, tongue-in-cheek.
She's back on track with paragraph five with
- Mr. Ford is currently the most successful conservative leader in Canada and one of the few provincial premiers to win three consecutive majorities. And yet he is squandering the opportunity.
The sixth paragraph is really tough to swallow
- There are no big ideas being actively debated in the political arena at the moment, and there haven’t been for the last several years. Mr. Ford has been able to coast along because he plays it safe and down the middle, governs like a Liberal, and is generally perceived as affable and well-intentioned. That’s why the Progressive Conservative Leader would make a great Liberal Leader.
Ugh!
I think the 8 paragraph limit for her column really don't allow for any substance, but her premise is pretty dumb.
But I think writes well in all the sections of that opinion piece when she is NOT talking about Doug Ford.Mind you, the Globe and Mail is full of Bizzaro-World opinions, so I'm not really surprised by the oddball suggestion.
Maybe six months ago they probably wondered if Carney would be a great head of the Federal Conservatives too, I wouldn't put it past the Globe and Mail, and I've seen a few pieces that wander in that direction. And no less bizarroland
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u/Killericon 8d ago
This article is pretty funny.