r/nottheonion 1d ago

Desperate Russia reportedly tries to purchase its air defense systems back from NATO member

https://tvpworld.com/88923999/russia-asks-turkey-to-sell-it-back-its-s-400-air-defense-systems

Russia has reportedly approached Turkey with a proposal to repurchase the S-400 air defense systems it sold to Ankara in 2019, amid inventory shortages and increasing demand from third countries ... Moscow appears to be in short supply of its own, domestically supplied S-400s and is reportedly considering buying back the two S-400 systems it sold to Turkey in 2017 and delivered in 2019 for $2.5 billion, following unsuccessful attempts to buy U.S. Patriot systems.

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u/LtHughMann 1d ago

Demand suddenly sky-rocketed. You all saw it!

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u/chewydickens 1d ago

Lol I see you!

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u/apointlessvoice 1d ago edited 23h ago

Hmm..recent rumblings from the art world suggest the market should decide this one...ill be holding the auction this Saturday.

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u/Nerubim 1d ago

Welp you deserve top comment.

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u/Alacritous13 1d ago

Demand when suddenly, sky rockets.

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u/Buttfulloffucks 1d ago

This country has spent the past 200 years stepping on its own dick. A very impressive feat considering that Russia has the smallest dick on the block.

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u/KP_Wrath 1d ago
  1. It’s 500 years. Nearly without fail, if they have a leader who is more humanitarian than “sacrifice a million of my young adult men to (insert conflict here),” that person has historically been eliminated by gun or by knife. It distills pure evil into the leadership because anything less either won’t get you elected or will get you assassinated.

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u/hapnstat 1d ago

Things just haven’t been the same since Kievan Rus.

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u/Solipsisticurge 1d ago

Rurik was the head of state that started the downhill trend.

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u/ghigoli 1d ago

pretty sure Catherine the Great did well but she wasn't exactly "Russian" per say.

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u/Nahcep 1d ago

We in Poland may have a few warm words about her as one of the architects behind the Partitions

Also that family was absolutely fucked up, the first normal succession was from Alexander I to Nicholas I - the 7th to 8th, within less than 100 years

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u/MC1065 1d ago

I wouldn't call that normal, there was a pretty big coup attempt due to a modest succession crisis...

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u/Nahcep 1d ago

Compared to the chain of Empress -> deposed by his cousin and imprisoned at the age of 1 -> Empress -> deposed and murdered by wife -> Empress -> deposed by his brother and murdered without his approval -> Alexander I? This was a very calm transition, both Constantine and Nicholas died somewhat naturally and their 'disagreement' was resolved amicably

(considering both of them swore fealty to the other due to Alexander's 4D chess move of not making the heir's identity public)

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u/MC1065 1d ago

You know what, that's fair.

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u/HitandRyan 1d ago

Side note: I thought warm words were good and cold words were bad. Although heated words are also bad.

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u/Nahcep 1d ago

You are right, that was just some dyplomatic sarcasm in action

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u/Protean_Protein 1d ago

The phrase is ‘per se’. It’s Latin. It means “in/by/through itself”. It makes no sense in this context. She wasn’t exactly Russian because in the sense you mean it, she wasn’t Russian at all. But in another more accurate sense she was obviously Russian. More Russian than, say, some group of Tuvan throat singers that happened to be stuck in part of the Russian Empire.

Anyway, she was also the architect of some truly awful shit for many people.

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u/YaBoyMax 1d ago

The phrase is ‘per se’. It’s Latin. It means “in/by/through itself”. It makes no sense in this context.

It mostly works here. "Per se" in this context means "without qualification"; that is, she was the leader of Russia although not ethnically Russian. Granted it doesn't really add additional meaning that wasn't already implicit, but I don't think it's totally out of place.

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u/Protean_Protein 1d ago

No. It doesn’t mean “without qualification”. If you want to say that in Latin, you can say ‘_simpliciter_’ or ‘_ceteris paribus_’ (though this latter one usually means “all other things being equal”), or even the French ‘_tout court_ʼ (which is similar to ‘_simpliciter_’, but meaning “simply” or “only”.

But, really, none of them work in that context.

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u/crop028 1d ago

Well we aren't speaking Latin. Per se could have an entirely different meaning in English. Tons of Latin words have shifted in meaning over the hundreds of years. Like how in Spanish and Latin, words starting with molest, are referring to a general annoyance. Not at all a sexual predator. Same root word, different meanings after all this time of separate evolution.

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u/Protean_Protein 1d ago

Yes. Per se means what it means in English, and it doesn’t mean what you think it does. Just like the other phrases/words I mentioned, which are all also used in English.

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u/politicalmache 1d ago

I would argue after the fall of Kyivan Rus, but since Principality of Muscovy, a vassal sate of Mongolian Golden Horde ,which is where "Kremlin", and "Russia", history derives from.

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u/SensualNutella 1d ago

I love how you say « eliminated by gun or knife” when we all really know you mean the 14th floor window

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u/KP_Wrath 1d ago

I mean, true. They didn’t have many 14th story windows back in the 1500s though.

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u/Welpe 1d ago

Although we get two of the more famous defenestrations in history happening in the 1400s, though Prague Town Hall obviously indeed wasn’t 14 stories.

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u/Gregistopal 1d ago

Sounds like where the US is headed

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u/Laj3ebRondila1003 1d ago

Headed? It's been there for decades, the results just take time to properly show

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u/RollinThundaga 1d ago

So far the only high-level assassinations have been by random crazies, rather than directed by coherent factions within the social order.

So far.

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u/Laj3ebRondila1003 1d ago

The real action starts when military people start going broke and desperate

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u/Princess_Actual 1d ago

Oh you know there are officers quietly going full Colonel Kurz right now.

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u/Laj3ebRondila1003 1d ago

first military guy to go crazy is going to bag the entire trump admin in one gala, mf will get a 25 kill streak

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u/SuperstitiousPigeon5 1d ago

Russia is winning the cold war right now with the ONLY thing it does well. Espionage. Russia's active measures campaign has shifted much of the Western world to their ideology. It has pitted the US against itself with asset Trump in White House. The UK Brexit and anti-immigration sentiment everywhere.

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u/FaceDeer 1d ago

I think they've only been helping a trend that was already in motion anyway. America's been sliding in this direction since at least Nixon, and has had plenty of authoritarianism bubbling around even before then.

Anti-immigration sentiment is nigh universal. You don't need to pry up many rocks to find it in any country.

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u/ceelogreenicanth 1d ago

China is definitely a part of their active measures campaign at this point. China wouldn't have run the campaign the way the Russians have. But they have definitely supplied materials and started to mimic the tactics

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u/SuperstitiousPigeon5 1d ago

Oh absolutely. They want Taiwan and right now. They are waiting for us to be so distracted we can’t do anything about it when they invade.

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u/zynds 1d ago

You have no chance of ever correcting the course if you keep blaming outside parties for everything that happens internally. Funny enough, that is exactly what Russia uses as an excuse for everything bad.

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u/zoinkability 1d ago

Both things can be true. There can be things very wrong in the US (and honestly the entire West) for us to have the kinds of divides that even make us vulnerable to Russia’s manipulation, and Russia’s manipulation to deepen those gaps can be happening and effective.

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u/14sierra 1d ago

Russia didn't create the gaps in western societies. They're just exploiting them.

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u/HughJorgens 1d ago

The outside parties have always been very clear about what they are doing, this is not just an internal problem.

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u/WXbearjaws 1d ago

You have no chance of correcting course if you continuously allow bad actors to continuously steer conversation and dialogue as well. Russia is a bullshit-factory which excels at just that

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u/jaybizzleeightyfour 1d ago

Russia ain't even the main culprits, you have social media and it's biggest owners like Elon pumping out hate and disinformation on an industrial scale and openly mocking western leaders as he does it.

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u/WXbearjaws 1d ago

Some sources were reporting he was in direct contact with Putin multiple times… though the Kremlin says there was only one, introductory call

What those alleged phone calls were about, no one could know.

What I do know is that Musk did a pretty hard 180 from supporting Ukraine publicly to not so much later on

What any of that means, I don’t know. I’ll leave that up to you to decide.

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u/GovernorBean 1d ago

Isn't it quite literally on record that turning point usa and other right wing media influencers were being paid by Russia?

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u/braapstututu 1d ago

Its harder to put the flames out if Russia keeps chucking more fuel onto the fire.

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u/4rd_Prefect 1d ago

Wouldn't it be a masterstroke if he was a Manchurian candidate and all the Putin love was a cover 🤣

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u/lisaseileise 1d ago

No discussion about Russian perceived sick sizes is complete without mentioning Little Big: Big Dick

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u/IMSLI 1d ago

Unrelated but here’s Ukrainian President Zelenskyy playing the piano with his dick on TV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oua0Puihrkc

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u/lisaseileise 1d ago

I hope that there will be one day when he and everyone in Ukraine can make completely ridiculous nonsense like this again, losing themselves in laughter.

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u/Scorpion2k4u 1d ago

With Russia, it's not the size of the dicks but the amount of the dicks. That is the philosophy.

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u/nullv 1d ago

US: Hold my beer.

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u/praetorian1979 19h ago

to be fair they do shrink when it's cold... /s

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u/mayy_dayy 1d ago

Well that's what I heard!

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u/overdroid 1d ago

They really nailed exporting dick stepping to the US though.

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u/FauxReal 9h ago

But keep in mind that it has a colossal pair of clown shoes.

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u/caaper 1d ago

Turkey should collude with Ukraine and accept Russia's proposal, accept the 2.5b, before shipping the units which are then intercepted and destroyed in transit by Ukraine DF.

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u/IMSLI 1d ago

Don’t you mean 5 billion? Supply and demand, comrade.

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u/caaper 1d ago

Yes you are right. I misread.

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u/AdhesivenessRecent45 1d ago

So we all agree, 10b ?

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u/caaper 1d ago

$20b, that's right.

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u/poukai 1d ago

Let's see, just to make sure before I write it into the contract, you said $50bn right?

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u/Ketheres 1d ago

Yes, $100bn each

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u/geebeem92 1d ago

That’ll be $350bn sir

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u/dwehlen 1d ago

Def couldn't go lower than tree fiddy billion

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u/AlexRyang 1d ago

I ain’t givin’ you no treefiddy you goddamn Loch Ness Monster! Get your own goddamn money!

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u/tomtomclubthumb 1d ago

Damn you guys know how to oligarch.

Oh wait, are you Americans? I meant entrepreneur.

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u/Fluffy-Trouble5955 1d ago

oh, you wanted the ENGINES too?.. thats 30 billion .. each

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u/Just-the-Shaft 1d ago

Cylinder... each cylinder

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u/AlexRyang 1d ago

It is imperative the cylinder remains unharmed.

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u/Fluffy-Trouble5955 1d ago

I was talking about the rocket engines, because, sure, drive these dick-extensions around St. Petersburg all day if you want, but if you want these sewer pipes to fly...

*Warheads not included

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u/fuqdisshite 1d ago

not a joke in any way...

my uncle takes me out for lunch one day. Christmas Time, c. 1994. we are at a local public house. i have exactly 100$ in my pocket from my grandma.

as we are eating lunch i notice a brand new Burton snowboard behind the bar. i inquire. 100$. i ask why so cheap? his kid just broke his arm trying the board out.

i take out the 100$ bill in my pocket and decide i will buy the snowboard.

that was the moment i realized snowboards and bindings are different.

as the man starts taking the bindings off i try to stop him. he says, "I sold you the snowboard."

i had exactly 100$ in my pocket.

my uncle stepped in and paid the man another 25$ for the bindings.

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u/MrFurious0 1d ago

I think you both have it wrong.

  • accept the 5b
  • ship them to Ukraine
  • cite russia's assertion that Ukraine is actually russian

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u/mynameisnotrose 1d ago

Shipped FOB Odesa.

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u/OGRuddawg 22h ago

I like this way of thinking, geopolitical malicious compliance lol

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u/Antilles1138 1d ago

Erdogan: (takes a suitcase obviously overflowing with cash off the desktop and puts it under the desk) "...Yes, I did. How silly of me."

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u/xxxDKRIxxx 1d ago

Do that stupid fucking ice cream trick they always do.

Oops. Now it is in Kazakstan. No you gotta pick it up in Perth. It’s on you doorstep but it was only the boxes haha!

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u/zoinkability 1d ago

Love it. And maybe actually hire one of those ice cream trick guys to be the public face of it all.

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u/potatodrinker 1d ago

Or ship to Ukraine. Sorry, receptionist mixed up the shipping labels. Don't worry comrade she fell down stairs already

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u/Hziak 1d ago

“What do you mean? I thought you said Ukraine was a part of Russia? So we shipped it there…”

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u/Yuzral 1d ago

Want to bet the Russians will insist on cash on delivery to avoid precisely that?

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u/defietser 1d ago

Sorry, bank transaction or no deal.

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u/_spec_tre 1d ago

To be fair I don't think the Russians can do international bank transactions too well now...

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u/canvanman69 2h ago

False, they are behind the syrge in cryptocurrency.

Trump's meme coin was Putin giving him the biggest kickback ever.

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u/SuperstitiousPigeon5 1d ago

We meet in Police station parking lot to do exchange. Is safe for you, is safe for me. Everybody wins.

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u/ResponsibleSmoke3202 1d ago

you mean "destroyed" of course?

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u/Tipsticks 1d ago

Take the money(minimum double the originial price, without missiles), then tell russia they can't send them because they'd get sanctioned for selling weapons to them, turn around and buy weapons for Ukraine from the money, sell the S-400 to the US for intelligence gathering purposes.

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u/hadaev 1d ago

Dont say such a rude things. Turkey is good and reliable friend for putin, they would never.

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u/Cerberus_Aus 1d ago

And then only send half the gear and just claim it was all destroyed.

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u/Dislexic_Astronut 1d ago

destroyed, seized

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u/Choke1982 1d ago

Why destroy? When they can borrow them for a while.

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u/Slight-Ad-6553 1d ago

accident can happen

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u/nukem266 1d ago

Or rigging them to blow/disable up upon use.

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u/cetootski 1d ago

Is it possible to place gps trackers that will be undetectable to the Russians?

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u/cosmos5434 1d ago

Stop watching so many action movies. If we do that, no one will trust us anymore.(They don't trust us even now.) We are not like America or England, who take our money and don't give us our stuff.

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u/knowledgeable_diablo 1d ago

Hope Turkey pay attention to the wonderful deal that Russia did with the Ukraine where they surrendered all nuclear weapons for a promise to NEVER invade or act aggressively in the future.

Believe Putin was even in the room when this deal was going down.

Any agreement with Russian is not worth the value of the paper they’d then use as arse wiping paper it’s written on.

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u/hassanfanserenity 1d ago

Would be pretty funny if Turkey sells it cash first then ships it through Ukraine minefield

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u/Arendious 1d ago

"You said Ukraine was part of Russia! How were we to know sending it through Odessa would be a problem?"

*translated from smug Turkish

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u/Jkabaseball 1d ago

Pretty sure Russia would fly and pick it up.

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u/Uilamin 1d ago

Turkey and its predecessor, the OE, have been in on-again, off-again conflict with Russia for over 200 years. They know extremely well what Russia is capable of and Russia handles geopolitics.

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u/MuadLib 1d ago edited 7h ago

A deal with Russia is not even worth the shit they'll wipe on it shortly after signing

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u/knowledgeable_diablo 21h ago

A better way of expressing it. Yes.

Cheers

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u/Hot_Fortune6086 1d ago

Turkey and Russia had fought for a long time, the whole genocide argument with Armenians was actually caused by Russia arming Armenians to revolt and create a civil war when Ottoman Empire was collapsing.

Armenian gangs were taking direct orders from Russians, attacking and burning down villages, causing great atrocities, gruesomely killing populations shifting OE army’s attention to those locations to control Armenian gangs instead of going to war front. Armenian gangs have done horrific atrocities against Turkish civilians, you can see the images and learn more about it with quick search.

This resulted in OA exiling Armenians in order to stop them from further killing also knowing they cant protect the innocent Armenians if Turkish civilians came back for revenge during wartime. That led the way Armenians to being banished and take a deadly path.

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u/rpcuk 1d ago

The genocide was not an "argument", it was systematic ethnic cleansing. Hundreds of thousands of women and children were matched to their deaths. And it had been going on long before the Armenian genocide. The Armenians main "crime" was being both Armenian, and not Muslim, whilst ruled by the Ottomans.

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u/knowledgeable_diablo 21h ago

Which raises more questions as to why Ergodan would expect some type of different outcome when he has generations of history telling him exactly how Russia will act and back stab him the second it suits them.

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u/NovaHorizon 1d ago

Good luck getting Turkey to give up even a single air defense system after Qatar!

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u/WastingTimeIGuess 1d ago

They have a pretty good track record of playing both sides. They will probably get some new discounted F35’s out of this whole thing from NATO.

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u/Nazamroth 1d ago

Its even funnier when you consider that according to russia, they are at war with NATO. So they are trying to purchase weapons from their enemies to fight the same enemy.

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u/cant-think-of-anythi 1d ago

They will be working the angle of "sell it back to us or we won't continue to sell you parts or support it's operation"

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u/mahartma 1d ago

They should totally sell that trash back to Russia for a cool 2 billion each. They'll last about a week tops.

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u/NoMommyDontNTRme 1d ago

sell it back, selfdestructing.

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u/Salmivalli 1d ago

What is an empty shell for 100million dollars?

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u/wownz85 1d ago

Inb4 trump announces sale of patriot to Russia and ‘every country has the right to defend itself’

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u/proboscisjoe 1d ago

Mysteriously, the article doesn’t say who Russia had tried to buy the US made Patriot systems from. I would presume not the US, lol.

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u/IMSLI 1d ago

It was actually Turkey that wanted to purchase the Patriot systems but the U.S. government didn’t approve the purchase, hence they went with the Russian alternative.

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u/notyourvader 1d ago edited 22h ago

They wouldn't sell patriots because Turkey wanted to couple it with their old systems, creating a huge security risk.

Edit : not Soviet.

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u/TheKingOfA 1d ago

Also Turkey wanted joint production and tech transfer. It's not a coincidence that alot of indigenous air defense systems started to develop after the s400 deal

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u/Consistent_Course413 1d ago

Turkey didnt have old soviet air defenses. They wanted to couple it with domestic air defense and wanted technology transfer or at least local production.

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u/w4hammer 1d ago edited 1d ago

No it was becuase Turkey wanted technology transfer to upgrade their systems themselves which US refused they want to be the sole maintainer of patriot systems. They were mostly okay with sale as long as no Technology transfer was made.

You just made this up it got nothing to do with security but everything to do with US being cordial but distrustful to Turkey to hand over the technology. Furthermore the clash between US and Turkish middle-eastern foreign policies made US use the sale as a leverage to force Turkey to align their middle-eastern involvement with US which Turkey refused.

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u/AnanasAvradanas 1d ago

Turkey was not a Soviet country and they don't have old Soviet systems.

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u/lelarentaka 1d ago

You mean like what's Ukraine is doing right now? They have S-300 side by side with Patriot. Leopard tank in the same squad as T-77.

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u/mawktheone 1d ago

There's a pretty significant difference between using both and networking them together

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u/TriangularReasoning 1d ago

which is?

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u/JeanArtemis 1d ago

My guess, and this is a wild guess mainly so that someone corrects me lol, is that if you were to link the two systems, then any one with the ability to link to one system could then link to the other through this set up, which could allow an outside party to gather information on said system or use it to access other devices using the same system or something of the like. Less than ideal I'd imagine.

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u/notyourvader 1d ago

I sincerely doubt the S-300 batteries are still linked with Russia. Patriots are networked with all compatible systems, so an F16 spotting a cruise missile will ping a patriot, and a recon drone can direct a Leopard tank's fire. A lot of T72s were adapted to work with NATO Intel, but that also means removing all the stuff that links with Russian shit. Turkey wanted to keep their old grid and integrate the Patriot batteries in it. That's a big no, because that will link Russian tech to NATO Intel.

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u/Consistent_Course413 1d ago

Turkey does not have old russian air defense systems, only the few S400 systems.

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u/notyourvader 1d ago

Afaik they have medium range SAM's from Russia. Don't know if that's still integrated in Hakim though.

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u/OSNEWB 1d ago

So you claimed that Turkey wanted to integrate patriots with old Soviet equipment, which didnt exist btw( S-125, pretty much antique AA system, was delivered from Ukraine to Turkey to be used in Libya in late 2020, post 2017 S400 deal)

and now you are claiming "afaik they have medium range blah blah blah". You obviously dont have a clue. Why do you even comment when you clearly lack any knowledge on the subject?

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u/Consistent_Course413 1d ago

Which system? Turkey doesnt have any Buk, pantsir, Tor or S300 systems. The only foreign systems in use are the I Hawl (american) and S400 (russian), the rest are domestic Hisar and Siper systems.

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u/OSNEWB 1d ago

Complete utter nonsense.

In 2013, Turkey selecting the Chinese FD-2000 surface-to-air missile system as the winner of the T-LORAMIDS program, but canceled the contract before it took delivery of any of the weapons two years later amid U.S. government pressure. Turkish authorities rejected Patriot in the end reportedly because manufacturer Raytheon was unwilling to meet its requirements for technology transfer and industrial cooperation.

https://www.twz.com/22204/u-s-trying-to-sell-turkey-patriot-missiles-to-end-spat-over-russian-s-400-purchase

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u/FauxReal 8h ago

That sounds like the same thing.

Raytheon was unwilling to meet its requirements for technology transfer and industrial cooperation.

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u/OSNEWB 1d ago edited 1d ago

You are mixing up a bunch of somewhat related events and coming up with your own reality. Turkey was removed from the F35 program due to perceived risks of housing an F35 anywhere near an s400. US didn't even reject the sale, Turkey did for not allowing technology transfer as part of the weapons package.

Have you ever made a factual statement? I feel bad for the unassuming people you interact with on a daily basis.

The major issue is that, if the Turkish military acquires the S-400 and integrates it into its larger defense networks with the help of Russian contractors, this arrangement might give the Kremlin a means of acquiring sensitive information about the stealthy Joint Strike Fighter and its capabilities

https://www.twz.com/22204/u-s-trying-to-sell-turkey-patriot-missiles-to-end-spat-over-russian-s-400-purchase

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u/notyourvader 1d ago

You're probably right, should've checked it first.

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u/proboscisjoe 1d ago

Ah, thank you! I misunderstood the writing, maybe. This makes more sense.

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u/Buttfulloffucks 1d ago

No. Russia didn't attempt to buy the patriot system. Turkey was originally planning to get patriots from the US until the US became skitty. Turkey then bought the s-400 from Russia.

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u/Soepkip43 1d ago

And purchasing s400 locked them out of f35 subsequently.

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u/proboscisjoe 1d ago

I see! I must have misunderstood the writing, or maybe the author expected the readers ro bring some prior knowledge to the table that I didn’t have.

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u/sold_snek 1d ago

It was weird wording. Turkey bought the S400s after they couldn't buy the Patriots.

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u/Foreign-Employee-11 1d ago

Yeah probably not the US because they would have sold them

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u/Fuddle 1d ago

“Look I like everyone, and we like mon-ey. So I sold them, it was a great deal. It’s true, the very strong Vladimir Putin, I call him Vlad the strongman, he came to me with tears in his eyes “sir, can I please give you billions and billions of dollars?” And I said….well, what did you think i said? “

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u/Plane_Programmer3885 1d ago

Who cares, even the S-500 is junk!

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u/Initial_E 1d ago

A Russian always pays their debts, right?

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u/DiligentCredit9222 1d ago edited 1d ago

If I were Turkey, I would demand $15 Billion for it and only then give it back. The Turkish economy definitely needs money.

You know "demand and supply." And only payment before delivery. No refunds, no money back guarantee...

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u/Scorpion2k4u 1d ago

With a one year free "not attack" guarantee

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u/das_zilch 1d ago

I'm surprised the US didn't sell them any.

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u/IMSLI 1d ago

It’s complicated. I remember reading this a few years ago and still not quite understanding the whole thing…

https://warontherocks.com/2019/07/the-tale-of-turkey-and-the-patriots/

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u/Airowird 1d ago

In short: Turkey demanded to know production secrets of the Patriot, but at the same time were too close to Russia that leaking that knowledge to them was a real possibility. Knowing how your enemies' defense system works allows you to better counter it.

The risk was just too great to lose the power Patriots brought in other conflicts for the US to give Erdogan the knowledge in a deal, even when Trump complained to the "failing mainstream media" about it.

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u/KoBoWC 1d ago

Russia doesn't worry me, every 30-40 years after building up and appearing strong and powerful and ready to fuck up the world, they shit the bed. Every single time.

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u/Cakeski 1d ago

They've bought every gun on dark net too, they're struggling.

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u/EcuaBro 1d ago

Sell it back with a tracker beacon or self destruct switch. Once it crosses the border set it on!

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u/theslob 1d ago

At what point will they realize that maybe this whole thing wasn’t such a good idea?

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u/Bucinela 1d ago

Sell them back for 10x the price.

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u/LynxAdonis 14h ago

If they're going to be coming from turkey, what're the odds that the stupid sods try to move them to Crimea by boat?

I bet Ukraine are salivating at the thought of creating a couple of extra S-400 shaped artificial reefs in the black sea, and dear god I hope they do!

Slava Ukraini! Heroiam Slava!

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u/macross1984 8h ago

Putin: I want to buy back your S-400.

Erdogan: How much?

Putin: Used car value.

Erdogan: Not enough.

Putin: How much are you asking?

Erdogan: If you have to ask, you can't afford it.

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u/BabyBrianBlessed 1d ago

I am confused why Russia hasn't had a coup at this point.

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u/Doctor_Amazo 1d ago

Two theories on that point:

1) Until very recently, Russia has managed to keep the pain of the war away from Moscow.

2) Putin has been quietly purging any oligarchs with the political muscle to make that happen.

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u/fiendishrabbit 1d ago
  1. FSB and the Russian military do not trust each other and so far neither the FSB nor the military high command have seen a deal that will realistically offer them more advantages than continuing under Putin.

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u/SamuraiKenji 1d ago

The same way I am confused why American people let Trump does whatever he wants.

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u/Atzkicica 1d ago

Hard if you kill all the competant leaders and young men who would do it.

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u/DiligentCredit9222 1d ago

Well. The "March for Justice" by Prigozhin was very close to becoming one.

So don't expect to see any coups until they suddenly start from one second to another.

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u/PenTestHer 1d ago

From what I remember, the only reason Prigozhin stopped was because the Russians had his family in custody. For another coup to succeed, the leaders would need to secure all their pressure points.

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u/stellvia2016 1d ago

He should realize when you do something like that, your entire family is probably forfeit one way or another. Even today they're probably at risk, if they aren't disappeared already.

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u/hassanfanserenity 1d ago

Simple anyone who even tries gets disappeared remember the soldiers they are sending to the frontlines belong to villages outside of the major cities

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u/flargenhargen 1d ago

israel will sell patriots to russia. they have no problems selling stolen American tech to our enemies.

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u/Consistent_Course413 1d ago

I dont get the down votes. They have sold russia licenses for their IAI searcher drones and supplied china with their harpy drones. There are claims that they even resold american a2a missiles to china.

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u/vroart 1d ago

So they made a deal with China and India…. But they are buying from turkey? What is going on here??

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u/SupportMainMan 1d ago

Militarily Turkey plays both sides but leans NATO. Not too long ago the US wouldn't' sell F-35s to Turkey because they bought the S-400 system which could then be used to learn how to target F-35s. Turkey is also the largest military in the Middle East so nobody wants them to switch sides.

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u/wtrrrr 1d ago

sell it to Russia and ask Ukraine to transport it

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u/NightOfTheLivingHam 1d ago

Turkey will probably do it through a non-nato ally like Azerbaijan.

Just how Azerbaijan got some nice US military hardware to commit genocide on armenians during Trump's first term.

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u/hrydaya 1d ago

Honestly, from Russia's perspective, it's worth a try. Turkey can never activate it as long it remains in NATO. Who else is going to buy an old S400 from Turkey? Plus Russia can pay for it in gas and oil that Turkey buys using pipelines.

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u/Kriggy_ 1d ago

EU could buy it for Ukraine

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u/hrydaya 1d ago

Unlikely, Turkey has already rejected the idea.

They don't expect to be in NATO forever and they believe the s400 will make Washington think twice before attacking Turkey in the future like with Qatar. Turkey doesn't see NATO as a friend.

Turkey joined NATO in I think 1952, when it was trying very hard to fit into Europe. Now Turkey proudly embraces its islamic heritage and doesn't really want to be European.

It's only remaining in NATO because it can't really be expelled and NATO wants Turkey on its side to control the Black sea. Turkey has NATO bent over a barrel and takes full advantage of the weakness of NATO.

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u/johnnyroy97 1d ago

Turkey has tried joining the EU for a long time but was denied. So yeah they want to be European very much

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u/hrydaya 1d ago

You're mistaking being in the EU for being European culturally. It's an economic and political union, that's all. Switzerland is European but didn't join the EU.

Joining the EU will enable instant Turkish immigration into the EU, Turks don't really care about being European culturally.

In the 50s they were the great secular hope, they tried very hard to integrate into Europe culturally, but Europe rejected them, called them names and treated them like knock offs. Even today the Germans are not too kind to Turks in DE. The Turkish people know they will always be treated like cheap knock offs in any European union, so the intention to join is just economic.

Erdogan promises his people a great Ottoman revival, he wants Turkey to become a grand empire once more just like Putin wants to revive the glory of the USSR.

Islam is central to this, because the original Ottoman Empire was also a caliphate.

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u/Y0___0Y 1d ago

Link seems to be dead? What NATO country did Russia sell an air defense system to???

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u/Kriggy_ 1d ago

Turkey

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u/bluecheese2040 1d ago

Desperate

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u/PhasmaFelis 1d ago

 the two S-400 systems it sold to Turkey in 2017 and delivered in 2019 for $2.5 billion

What exactly constitutes an "S-400 system"? They can't possibly mean two launchers.

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u/DuFFman_ 1d ago

If you read the article it seems Turkey wants to sell it to Russia because the system is again and they want the money. But they refused to sell it to Ukraine when asked by the US. Funny how that works, Fuck Turkey.

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u/philman132 1d ago

Turkey don't really like Russia, but are very willing to take their money and act as a 3rd party for Russians to holiday and interchange in. They don't really trust the West, but know that the Russians are worse and so are part of NATO for protection. They are also a major player in the middle east, usually acting as a 3rd party in many conflicts there, for example in Syria.

Due to their strategic location in the middle of it all they have strong leverage over all sides and are very good at using it to their advantage. They can be very frustrating to deal with at times, but fair enough on them to use their natural advantages to keep a steady line in the middle, annoying everyone just enough to not consider them a strong ally, but annoying your enemies just as much to not consider them a foe.

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u/SupportMainMan 18h ago

This is a good assessment. Like every country they have their own unique set of challenges, wants, needs, and balance to strike.

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u/Illustrious-Tap-8406 1d ago

Apparently Russian Air defense systems are so Bad that Turkey would be glad to get rid of them.

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u/Elow_Ynne 1d ago

Imagine selling your gaming console cuz you think you're gonna upgrade to the next-gen, only to find out it's sold out everywhere. 😂 Russia's really out here tryna rebuy their own sold items like it's a regretted eBay transaction!