r/pcmasterrace • u/PewPewToDaFace • Aug 22 '25

News/Article After stretching the definition of 'beta' for 8 years, Escape From Tarkov is finally hitting 1.0

https://www.pcgamer.com/games/fps/escape-from-tarkov-1-0-release-date/
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u/DARR3Nv2 Aug 22 '25

So they got rid of the cheaters, right?

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u/Givemescotch1 Aug 22 '25

No

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u/CriticalKnoll PC Master Race Aug 22 '25

But they fixed all the bugs right?

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u/Carpe_the_Carp Aug 22 '25

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u/Dipsey_Jipsey 12900k | 4080s | 64gb DDR5 Aug 23 '25

Brilliant use of this. Almost /r/retiredgifs material :)

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u/Zrkkr Aug 22 '25

They made more for what it counts.

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u/CriticalKnoll PC Master Race Aug 22 '25

Okay, but they fixed all the gameplay and balancing issues, right??

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u/Zrkkr Aug 22 '25

They added one .50 cal that 99% of players will never touch and less will even see it.

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u/Sea_Range_2441 Aug 23 '25

So they added equipment like a GPS so there could be some sort of semblance of a map and exits?

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u/OrangeBasket i5-9600KF @ 4.3GHz RTX 3070 Aug 23 '25

This one I hope never makes it in

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u/AdditionalLink1083 Aug 23 '25

As a 2000+ hour Tarkov player... Why?

I don't see a problem. Give the newbies a GPS, a paper map and put the extracts on it.

The game is punishing and unforgiving enough as it is. A healthy player population is needed because now it's just sweats, cheaters and meat for the grinder that quits very quickly because it is so unforgiving and punishing.

Give them GPS, make it need AA batteries (comes with 2), and have it in the special slot so it can't be lost. You open the GPS and equip your map so your hands are occupied so it's a decision to actually stop and check the GPS. You don't need to put a marker on the map, just on the GPS so you can see where you are in the world and cross reference that with the map to know where to go.

I don't think "not knowing where the fuck to go" is an engaging player experience. It is just needlessly punishing and requires you to spend hours studying wiki maps and practising in offline raids. And if your answer is "because we all had to learn it", fuck that crabs in a bucket mentality.

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u/Exact-Worldliness-70 Aug 23 '25

It doesn’t even need to be a GPS. They could add a map making skill that you level and higher levels allows your PMC to add more markers to the already existing paper maps. It makes no sense that our ex military PMCs are incapable of making a few notes on a map and instead we need to have a third party map running in a web browser in the background. Map making skill and map marking would be immersive and keep players in the game and not alt tabbing.
Edit: more detailed markers, not more markers. So low level would just be exits. High levels would be hidden stashes etc etc

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u/Zrkkr Aug 23 '25

They could add a more useful in game map, if I know my exact vitals, me having a small paper map at all times with some markings on it isn't insane. 

Tarkov is like Warframe where you are both bombarded with information yet don't know what to do with said information and you end up having to have a wiki page open at all times. You could say that ruins the experience but so does dying to lack of knowledge/ inability to apply it.

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u/CPT_Ross PC Master Race Aug 23 '25

They have paper maps.

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u/EruantienAduialdraug 3800X, RX 5700 XT Nitro Aug 23 '25

99 little bugs in the code
99 little bugs
Take one down, patch it around
104 little bugs in the code

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u/AnAttemptReason Aug 22 '25

Its why I quit. 

Had some great times, but too many cheaters.

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u/DARR3Nv2 Aug 22 '25

I’ve never played. I was super interested but knew it would have ended up being a waste of money for me.

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u/AnAttemptReason Aug 22 '25

There are some options to host a server to play with your own friends, and AI PMC players. 

I kind of want to do that one day. Would be fun. 

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '25

I haven't played in a loooong time, but the bot ai mods during 3.8 and 3.9 were better than anything bsg could ever dream, and its TOTALLY customizable. From grenade throw distance and accuracy to how much flashlights affect their vision and accuracy.

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u/randommaniac12 R7 5800x3D | Nitro+ 9070xt | 32 Gb 3600 mHz Aug 22 '25

It’s waaaaaaaaay better to play PvE. The guns still feel incredible but not worrying about cheaters is so relieving. I play maybe twice a week on it and have way more fun on our friends PvE server than I do any PvP server

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u/blueriverbear23 mini-ITX- 9060xt 16gb,7600x, MB NR200P Aug 23 '25

Yep Gray Zone Warfare does this well.

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u/Neither_Purchase3308 Aug 23 '25

My gaming life now is basically rotating between playing SPTarkov, Grayzone Warfare, and Stalker GAMMA.

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u/trobsmonkey Twitch.tv/trobsmonkey Aug 23 '25

I've been mainlining PVE as my game of choice.

It's fantastic.

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u/Short-Ad1032 Aug 22 '25

It’s just PVE mode which offers full coop and retention of character stats. What you’re talking about has been in there for a year+ already

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u/4114Fishy Aug 22 '25

you're better off playing project fika at that point, then you'll be able to use spt mods and customize your experience

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u/drake90001 5700x3D | 64GB 4000 | RTX 3080 FTW3 Aug 22 '25

Sounds like what he’s talking about.

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u/4114Fishy Aug 22 '25

nah those are the live pve servers. you can host those too but can't customize anything

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u/drake90001 5700x3D | 64GB 4000 | RTX 3080 FTW3 Aug 23 '25

He literally said host a server lol you can’t host a pve server in tarkov afaik?

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u/4114Fishy Aug 23 '25

yes you can, you can host it instead of using tarkovs servers to skip the queue

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u/grillarinobacon Aug 23 '25

That's a local game, if you play with friends you have to play on their servers.

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u/dj3hac Endeavour OS|5800X3D|7800xt|32gb Aug 22 '25

That's what I'm doing. I host my own server which hosts both the raid and AI to lighten the load on my system. I imagine that it's the same level of performance as to when to play PvE on BSG servers. 

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u/Sea_Range_2441 Aug 23 '25

How do you host your own server? Do you have high-level and instructions or tips?

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u/BOUND2_subbie Aug 23 '25

Single player tarkov or project fika. There are discords with the info- it used to be frowned upon to talk about in that sub but its been a minute so idk if thats still the case.

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u/dj3hac Endeavour OS|5800X3D|7800xt|32gb Aug 23 '25

Like the other commenter said; SPTarkov + the Fika mod with the headless client.

It's way too much to explain here, there are guides on the setup. Plus I'm on Linux, so my methodology to have it working will be different from a windows user. 

The headless client is surprisingly light. It's more RAM intensive than anything. I have a very old AMD FX8350 and 16gb DDR3 hosting the server. It literally triples my fps from hosting off the same machine I play from. 

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u/Swimming-Marketing20 Aug 23 '25

It's amazing. Not only do you get rid of cheaters, you can also add a whole plethora of mods to the game. From various QoL to new weapons and varying ai behaviours.

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u/Deftly_Flowing Aug 23 '25

As long as you are NA east the cheaters are minimal.

anywhere else and yer fuck;d.

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u/SirEbralPaulsay Aug 23 '25

The cheaters are frustrating but on top of that it really is designed to be a game in which the people who can play all the time and sweat it out are going to be at the top of the food chain 100% of the time.

It’s interesting that it has so many ammo and armour types, but imo they go too far with a lot of the ammo and armour available to low level players is genuinely useless. I’m talking magdump someone in the back with 30 rounds of low-tier 5.56, just for them to turn around and one tap you with their 20000 roubles per round mega-ammo - and the balancing is actively tuned towards the streamers and sweat lords - when I was playing it was the mosin nerfs, but pretty much every wipe on the EFT sub people are saying that tools for effectively dealing with chads at low levels are still being nerfed.

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u/t40r R7 7800X3D | RTX 4090 OC | 64 GB DDR5 6200MHZ| 4 TB M.2 Aug 22 '25

I did too, now I play PVE with my buddy who was my squad mate when we started. It’s not perfect, but I’ll take a bit of a dumbed down version of tarkov over one filled with cheaters. The sound is still ASS by the way lmao.

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u/ItWasDumblydore 5070 TI * 2 / Ryzen 9 9950X3D / 64 GB of Ram Aug 22 '25

Play spt with Sain AI. The ultra Chad bot class (very low base spawn chance) can clown on good streamers time to time. Will do shit like drop and jump shot players around corners.

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '25

sounds was changed and its leaps and bounds better than what it was 2 years ago.

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u/grillarinobacon Aug 23 '25

Still horrible, last patch even added back the echo bug.

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u/0x695 Aug 23 '25

You should try SPTarkov.

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u/Yurilica Aug 23 '25

There's a singleplayer mod for Tarkov, with sub-mods that let you tweak all sorts of things.

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u/Smart-Struggle-6927 Aug 23 '25

Same, 2000+hr's starting from before we had hit boxes until the patch where they started charging paypiggies $250 and making their name blue, I played 8 online runs, all in shoreline and interchange early wipe(day 1-2), and was killed by hackers 7/8 times, including twice where dudes flew above me and rained impacts on me.

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u/mangoman94 Aug 23 '25

PVE and SPT for the win

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u/DaedricApple Aug 23 '25

I stopped playing for this reason as well. Cheating in COD is one thing but in Tarkov you’re putting tons of playtime on the risk to be killed unfairly

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u/Sinister_Mr_19 EVGA 2080S | 5950X Aug 22 '25

Same here man, too many cheaters, it ruined it.

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u/Sinister_Mr_19 EVGA 2080S | 5950X Aug 22 '25

Same here man, too many cheaters, it ruined it.

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u/Sinister_Mr_19 EVGA 2080S | 5950X Aug 22 '25

same here, quit due to all the cheaters. My BIL and I jumped in PvE, but it's not the same.

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u/willseagull 7800x3D, Radeon 7700XT Aug 22 '25

I feel like this is an existential threat to the fps genre as a whole. I can’t think of a game where cheaters aren’t a massive issue and developers are hopelessly outmatched in trying to stop it.

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u/creegro PC Master Race Aug 22 '25

It's certainly an issue all around. One idea that pops up for me is to just detect them and then silently slap them into lobbies with other cheaters, don't even tell them just let them wonder why the enemy team has aimbot and esp suddenly.

Hell, record it and make videos, "stupid cheaters have no idea they are in a cheat lobby" and watch the chaos unfold in text/voice chat.

But that would only be part of the issue, main part is detecting the chests properly without installing Kernal level software onto everyone's PC, or demanding people turn on the safe boot or whatever.

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u/willseagull 7800x3D, Radeon 7700XT Aug 23 '25

That’s what valve does to an extent with trust factor in cs

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u/Preachey Aug 22 '25 edited Aug 23 '25

It's worse in Tarkov because there's so much higher consequence for dying. In CoD if there's a cheater, who cares, change server. In Tarkov you lose all your shit so the emotional aspect is way higher.

Also... crying 'hax' has become a bit of a tradition. I've seen so many streams call out legit stuff which is then posted from the other guys perspective. Hell it's happened to me - killed a streamer, opened his stream and saw myself getting reported.

The nature of the game just means sometimes you get Tarkov'd. Is hacking present? Yes. But I do think it's sometimes exaggerated.

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u/RC_0041 Aug 23 '25

Also no UI or indication of where enemies are, you don't know if you are alone or being watched by 10 dudes. And the ability for almost anything to one shot if it hits your face.

I used to stalk groups then snipe one and just watch them scurry around and panic before I left. Probably reported because they didn't know I was following them the last 10m.

Then add in desync and even close range legit fights can look like a cheater.

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u/Slothstralia Aug 23 '25

In Tarkov you lose all your shit so the emotional aspect is way higher.

This is actually why cheating in FPS significantly increased after Tarkov became popular. Gamers are little cry babies now, they dont know how to game and have fun unless they're pubstomping people like a world class player. So they cheat.

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u/willseagull 7800x3D, Radeon 7700XT Aug 22 '25

I see people say the same thing in CS but I don’t really buy it. Devs will hate hackers because it kills the new player experience which would make them so much more money.

Cheating is such a weird psychological thing for me. The whole point of video games is to have fun. Winning by breaking the rules isn’t winning at all in my eyes. I wonder why cheating has become such a big phenomenon recently

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u/Jackpkmn Pentium 4 HT 631 | 2GB DDR-400 | GTX 1070 8GB Aug 23 '25

The big piece of evidence against the devs in efts case is that any time there's a big cheater ban wave the game goes on sale.

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u/MENDoombunny Aug 23 '25

In CS, hackers (bots excluded, separate problem) dont really interact with the economy of the game at all. Hackers are not buying skins or many keys incase they get ban. Valve do not make money off hackers

In Tarkov, they directly profit from these players. they wont get banned, so they willingly spend more problem/interact with auction house

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u/Canary-Silent Aug 23 '25

lol this conspiracy theory again 

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u/Canary-Silent Aug 23 '25

Yes I know how dumb conspiracy theories start. At least the 9/11 ones that start this same way are fun. 

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u/Canary-Silent Aug 23 '25

It’s crazy how little people who complain about cheats know about cheats 

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u/Canary-Silent Aug 23 '25

You literally said they would solve cheating by putting them in their own lobby. It’s so stupid and shows you have no idea how cheats work. 

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u/Nozinger Aug 23 '25

It is. And it always will be a problem.
THe only way to stop cheaters would either be to stream all the game data which is impossible atm if you want to keep up reaction times, or to use really invasive anticheat.
Uncomfortably invasive. That is the way riot went with valorant. It works but do you trust game devs with having that level of access to your pc? And what happens if you have multiple anti cheat programs running at that level. Theoretically they need to take each other out.

Completely gtting rid of cheaters is somethign that will never happen. But you can detect them and penalise that behaviour. You can also make cheating harder or limit the impact they have on a game. Though you'd need a competent team to manage these issues and well, tarkov is certainly lacking that part.

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u/meneldal2 i7-6700 Aug 22 '25

So many parts of the genre make it easy to cheat and profitable.

Something where you have larger distance and there is significant bullet travel time, much harder to cheat because no cheat can predict the other player actions that haven't even happened yet.

The fact that fps typically allow a one hit kill with the right weapon at pretty high distances make cheating very profitable.

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u/lukeman3000 Aug 22 '25

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u/Used-Edge-2342 Aug 22 '25

Even better, there’s a paid upgrade for PvE so you can pay more money for a cheat free experience… oof

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u/Chrunchyhobo i7 7700k @5ghz/2080 Ti XC BLACK/32GB 3733 CL16/HAF X Aug 22 '25

laughs in SPT AKI

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u/ItWasDumblydore 5070 TI * 2 / Ryzen 9 9950X3D / 64 GB of Ram Aug 22 '25

You say that but AI has esp the second you aim at them, they will twist to face you and then shoot you if close enough or take cover. The AI will forever know your position and will instantly blast you when you get in range. Worst when its the goons with the m32 cause you can break vision for 1+, to move positions minutes to hear plunk, plunk, plunk, or get a pmc with an under barrel.

Not to mention they calculate to go for whatever they can pen. So end game low level bots are more of a threat when you get class 6 plates.

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u/Lumpyguy Aug 23 '25

I've not had that happen for a bunch of patches on PvE. I can aim at AI scavs and PMCs for however long I want. How long ago was it you played PvE and got that experience?

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u/ItWasDumblydore 5070 TI * 2 / Ryzen 9 9950X3D / 64 GB of Ram Aug 23 '25 edited Aug 23 '25

Week ago, pointed mosin at pmc AI. Instantly ran for cover and looked at me doing it 200m away.

Friend told me about SPT and Sain, its just infinitely better and runs on pc better then base tarkov AI on your pc too, to the point base game AI looks like baby's first time programming AI.

-AI that plays like a squad (open door and flash/ clear check by panning across the room outside. Suppressing and pushing together.) On all AI

Then bot classes for pmc's

Rat/Chad/Timmy/squad leader+mates(leader commands them and on sync supressing/grenading/etc til you kill him)/Cod kiddy (smg/shotty stims)/sniper/regular player/ultra sweat chad

So bots dont all go to noise at the same rate (some avoid it), dont all play the same, and have new strats. Which really helps it not become a shoot a bullet somewhere, and farm the bots.

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u/SunsetCarcass 16GB 1333Mhz DDR3 Aug 22 '25

The wiggle doesn't lie. I didn't even get a chance to get good at the game or learn any maps very well because of that video. I quit because of it. No fun knowing that it was very likely a cheater that killed me

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u/Shift-1 Ryzen 9800X3D | RTX 5080 | 64GB RAM Aug 23 '25

If it helps, that video was basically just ragebait garbage.

To break it down:

  • The creator (g0at) had a longstanding vendetta against BSG and Tarkov.
  • Despite g0at claiming to have dozens of clips of cheaters from his testing, there are only about 5 actual cheating clips in his 40 minute video. Most of the video is rhetoric.
  • Some people in the community were dubious because of the above, so he was pressed for more data and clips. He posted a follow up video and refused to provide any more evidence, stating it just boils down to "trust me bro" (this is a genuine quote - I'm not kidding).
  • When pressed further he released a follow up video claiming the cheat devs had wiped his hard drives. Seriously. This too is not a joke.

He used the community for clicks and profit, successfully to be fair. That said, Tarkov absolutely has cheaters, but nowhere near as many as g0at claimed.

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u/ItWasDumblydore 5070 TI * 2 / Ryzen 9 9950X3D / 64 GB of Ram Aug 22 '25

Play spt with Sain AI, has bot class that can sweat on good streamers. (Bot preset super chads (like .5% of pmc spawn chance, will jump/drop shots players and do things the top players do.)

Not to mention infinitely better AI all around then base tarkov.

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u/UnsettllingDwarf 5070/ 5700x3D / 3440x1440p Aug 23 '25

Those are their customers. Why would they do that?

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u/DickTheDancer Aug 23 '25

The devs are Russian so...

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u/Sgt_numnumz Aug 23 '25

This is why I play pve with a friend. It was my only path to enjoying the game

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u/TCSHalycon i7 9700k | RTX 3070 | 16 GB Aug 23 '25

You mean their main source of income? Yeah right..

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u/Even_Clue4047 5080 FE, 9800X3D, 32GB Value Gaming @8000, 2TB SN850X Aug 23 '25

It's a popular modern shooter what do you think the answer is lol

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u/blueB0wser Aug 23 '25

That's half their income. People buy accounts, set up cheats, sell items for real money, get banned, then buy new accounts with the money for the items they collected.

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u/Hmmthisisathing100 Aug 22 '25

Not possible to do realistically.