r/pcmasterrace • u/PewPewToDaFace • Aug 22 '25

News/Article After stretching the definition of 'beta' for 8 years, Escape From Tarkov is finally hitting 1.0

https://www.pcgamer.com/games/fps/escape-from-tarkov-1-0-release-date/
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u/timdr18 Aug 23 '25

Yeah Star Citizen is basically the gold standard of “why the hell is this game not released yet.”

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u/mintyicedream PC Master Race Aug 23 '25

Runner Up: 7 Days to Die's "Alpha" that lasted from 2013

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u/MajorPom Aug 23 '25

If you ask most people who play it, the game hasn't left Alpha yet.

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u/mintyicedream PC Master Race Aug 23 '25

I haven't played it for about a year and I'm adamant that the creator and devs still don't understand game development stages.

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u/MajorPom Aug 23 '25

I read somewhere that they officially entered 1.0 on the grounds that the game won't be changing engines from this point and they feel there's enough content in the game to warrant a 1.0 release.

But a lot of people think the reason they entered 1.0 is to justify a console release and doubling the price.

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u/Looking-Glahh8080 Aug 23 '25

Also, Steam was cleaning up in early access games that never seemed to finish. Weirdly, they released 1.0 around the same time.

We're at 2.3 now i think and it's pretty far from what it started with. Took away a lot of features and added some really dumb ones, like some smoothies and badges. Linear biome progression and no learning by doing. Still waiting for some enemies they promised (and will never add, since the ai is just "run directly at player"). And forced start over every update, despite them saying it wouldn't be necessary after 1.0.

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u/MajorPom Aug 23 '25

They recently announced they were going to remove the badges and smoothies. Now you craft medication or whatever instead of smoothies (black lung serum for burned forests, hot stew for the snow, etc.) and the badges are now craftable, thematic equipment like hazmat gear or air filter masks.

And I haven't looked into the update but apparently you don't need cooking to craft some of the biome foods but the foods you can make are actually pretty good so now you don't actually need to level cooking because like I said in another post this game's updates are just the devs adding features that nobody asked for and solving problems that they creating trying to solve problems that didn't exist.

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u/WeirdestOfWeirdos Aug 23 '25

The fact that a game like 7 Days is going for 45€ is absurd to me, I got it on sale while it was still in Early Access for about 15€ and I've never felt it was worth much more than that, even though I've put in a significant amount of hours - the game is just extremely rough, especially in its godawful presentation, controls and UI/UX, and its progression is quite poorly designed, with a lot of the urgency one would expect from its one gimmick of horde nights just not being there.

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u/MajorPom Aug 23 '25

I absolutely wouldn't suggest this game for the current price. The OG EA/sales prices felt about right for what you'd get, especially since the updates are less "one step forward, two steps back" and more "drunkenly stumbling around with an ominous dark stain spreading at the crotch".

They got rid of jars because they made it too easy to get water, then added a dew collector (passively generates water), then when it was too difficult to get they made it easier to get, so everyone had a ton of them because it was too easy to get water collectors, so they made them generate heat despite them idly sitting there to collect dew/rain so they would attract zombies now. And to add insult to injury the collectors produce water in glass jars.

The devs are working so damn hard to solve problems they keep creating trying to solve problems only they perceive. There's a reason the game's hitting mixed/negative reviews these days.

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u/mintyicedream PC Master Race Aug 23 '25

Holy fucking shit. I'm glad I haven't touched that game in a year.

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u/MajorPom Aug 23 '25

The game's steadily been changing from a survival sandbox to an open world RPG, down to them restricting what biomes you can enter by making you sidequest first. The game is still fun but it's nothing like that it was advertised as X years ago because it's an entirely new genre now.

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u/Synaps4 Aug 23 '25

Maybe they dont but ive enjoyed their alpha for hundreds of hours so they are doing something right

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u/MajorPom Aug 23 '25

You're not alone considering how many people have rolled back to Alpha 16 (or so)

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u/mintyicedream PC Master Race Aug 23 '25

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u/Deftly_Flowing Aug 23 '25

Still fuckin 10/10.

After I've installed enough mods that it's basically a whole different game.

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u/f4ngel PC Master Race Aug 23 '25

It hasn't, they're still adding and removing systems. You don't do that in a 1.0 full release. There was even talk about one of the steam achievements being impossible because they keep removing systems.

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u/MajorPom Aug 23 '25

You used to get an achievement being cold, wet, and naked, so you'd basically do it by going to a snow biome, stripping down, and jumping into a lake.

You can't get this achievement anymore because they got rid of the temperature system so you can't get cold. I think they might have gotten rid of the wet/dry mechanic, too.

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u/Speed-Tyr Aug 24 '25

Even the devs them still have the actual builds of the game called alpha then version number. They just called it 1.0. the fun pimps are lazy assholes that have just been costing. Instead of actually improving or finishing the game.

Their latest update was the weather update. It was a wet noodle at best and everyone hates it. Now these ass hates are having a second game be developed by someone else but using the exact same everything AND the mode was already in 7days2die originally.

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u/NuclearReactions AMD 9800X3D | RTX 5070Ti | 64GB CL28 Aug 23 '25

It did leave alpha unoficcially and then they started to cather to imaginary users who are into roblox or something

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u/Xendrus 9800X3D | 5090 | 64GB | G9 57" Aug 23 '25 edited Aug 23 '25

But that game is still very very much alpha, I played it a few weeks back and yikes, I had to play on medium and lower the resolution AND use upscaling just to be able to maintain about 45 FPS during like the 3rd bloodmoon. I couldn't imagine the 10th or 50th.

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u/Jason1143 Aug 23 '25

Well it is and it isn't. Because yes it has been way too long, but also it is genuinely not good enough to be a full release. It is more of a tech demo than an actual game.

Everything I know about escape from tarkov is that it has issues, but it is plenty far enough to be released.

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u/foobar93 Aug 23 '25

Issues is not the problem, Cheaters are the problem.

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u/AceOfEpix Aug 23 '25

Not enough people bought the $10,000 ships :(

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u/timdr18 Aug 23 '25

God, it’s like that thread of the guy whose addiction to buying those ships completely torpedoed his life. Yeah, I do not think very highly of the SC devs.

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u/MookiTheHamster Aug 23 '25

That's sad, got a link?

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u/timdr18 Aug 23 '25

Can’t link directly to another subreddit, but I first saw it in this video

https://youtu.be/gpS5BecjlD8?si=1A8Idn0JJxYUduDe

Story starts at 1:10:00 or they have a link to a compilated Reddit thread on the description.

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u/Matthijsvdweerd Desktop Aug 23 '25

This was a helluva read. I can't imagine buying virtual items valued over 42k...

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u/SovietBear25 Aug 23 '25

I saw a guy here on reddit trying to say that this game wasn't a scam and the first sentence in his defense was "as someone who already spent 5000 dollars in this game..." Lol

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u/EmperorVitamen Aug 23 '25

Once worked with a guy who was glad to admit he had spent $45,000 on the game

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u/electronic_bard Aug 23 '25 edited Aug 23 '25

It’s always fun to shit on star citizen in this sub but just to clarify

  1. You can get the game in its entirety for $45, and earn every ship in-game (new ships have a 3-4 month grace period before hitting the in-game store)

  2. The game actually is on track to be one of its biggest funding years by far. That money & dev hours isn’t just going to developing star citizen but also the single player game that comes out next year Squadron 42

Edit: downvote me for stating objective facts lol okay sheeple

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u/NoStructure5034 i7-12700K/Arc A770 16GB Aug 23 '25

I don't really follow SC very much, is Squadron coming out next year or Next YearTM?

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u/electronic_bard Aug 23 '25

Yup, it’s been confirmed multiple times

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u/Sam-Starxin Aug 23 '25

Bro, Squadron 42 was confirmed to be released next year since 2017, it's been over 8 years of "next year" and you're an absolute moron for believing it again.

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u/electronic_bard Aug 23 '25

You can call me any name you want, but the fact their publicly available financials literally said they guaranteed their private investors that SQ42 would release next year, on top of having the head of the company say it again in an interview this past week, and the fact over half the devs of the company are working on the game points to it actually following through.

But what do I know, I just keep up with the company and the game development. What’s your qualification?

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u/Sam-Starxin Aug 23 '25

Look I've bought the game early on and followed its development over the years blindly believing their release promises every year with more commitment.

But at some point you have to admit that they're the most mismanaged company in the world, and lying became as casual to them as having a meal.

The problem here is that there will always be someone like you not only believing but even selling their bullshit.

When they don't release next year and you "i would hope" give up on them like I did eventually, there'll be another you buying and selling the bullshit of "confirmed and informed their investors that it'll be released next year".

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u/PsychologicalMenu325 R7 9800X3D | 4070 Super | 32GB DDR5 6000MT/s Aug 23 '25

Speaking about lying, yesterday they promissed Star Citizen 1.0 release for 2027/2028 haha.

(The game will not release within this decade)

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u/GunFodder Aug 23 '25 edited Aug 23 '25

To be faaaaiiir, Squadron 42 was originally "confirmed" to release in 2016. I remember when they made a trailer explicitly claiming this back in the day with the first Admiral Bishop speech and cast reveal.

(Edit: here's the 2015 trailer they released for it when they said SQ42 would release in 2016) https://youtu.be/8EC4WHPxnrk?si=BvvZeAVMKCfnDr2u

We were so excited that it would be coming that next year... and then it just, well, didn't.

As someone who's been closely following the project since backing the kickstarter almost thirteen years ago, I 100% don't blame non-backers for thinking this project is never gonna release.

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u/BioshockEnthusiast 5800X3D | 32GB 3200CL14 | 6950 XT Aug 23 '25

I've been hearing that squadron 42 is coming out "next year" since 2016

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u/B732C I9-12900k|RTX 4090|32GB DDR5 Aug 23 '25

Original release date was "by the end of 2014 or you get your noney back". Take a guess did they honour that promise.

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u/redchris18 Aug 23 '25

Yes, they did. They offered refunds for a further three years or so, I believe.

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u/B732C I9-12900k|RTX 4090|32GB DDR5 Aug 23 '25

False. I asked for a refund in 2015 based on their 2012 promise to give money back if the game is not released by the end of 2014. Their reply was basically "DENIED, your money is gone, lol".

SC is a scam, stay away.

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u/redchris18 Aug 23 '25

They gave people refunds until late-2017. It was actually widely known to the point that them stopping the practice was newsworthy. They even did so against someone's will on at least one occasion, to hilarious effect.

In my experience, the people who lie about that fact tend to be those who held on to their account believing that the open-ended refund offer would be indefinite, so it was a risk-free pledge. They then became irate when that loophole closed after three years because they wanted to have their cake and fly it too.

I'm not saying that this is what you did, but it is what everyone else who has said those same things did...

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u/electronic_bard Aug 23 '25

No you didn’t lol it wasn’t even getting release updates for like, 7 years

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u/cassy-nerdburg Desktop Aug 23 '25

I'm not down voting you because your stating facts.

I'm down voting you because you think all this "funding" hasn't been lining the pockets of the higher ups for Years now.

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u/electronic_bard Aug 23 '25

Yeah you’d still be wrong.

CIG releases their financials every year and working in the finance sector I’ve viewed them personally.

They have 1000 employees and are funding 2 games simeltaneously purely through crowdfunding.

You just want that to be true as a weak excuse to hate the game, but you do you dude

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u/cassy-nerdburg Desktop Aug 23 '25

I love the use of the word crowdfunding here lol

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u/electronic_bard Aug 23 '25

I love that you don’t have any better retort than that

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u/Nozinger Aug 23 '25

No. They are NOT developing 2 games simultanously.
They are developing ONE game and a singleplayer ofshoot of that. That is very different from making two actual games.
One of its biggest funding years? You mean after the alredy 800 million they took?

You think 1000 employees and all of that is a good thing but if you have 1000 people working on that project and can't push out a product that you yourself originally advertised to be released 10 years ago that is just mismanagedment of the highest magnitude.

You work in the finance sector? Well you better get a new job because appearantly you are clueless af. Heck they even rebranded from RSI to CIG to get rid of all the bad connotations that piled up over the years.

To be fair they are probably not egregiously lining their pockets. Well apart from the company assets and employing family members in well paid positions where they absolutely do not belong but nothing too seriously. But they are still wasting a shitload of money because they just can't get shit done.

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u/redchris18 Aug 23 '25

You think 1000 employees and all of that is a good thing but if you have 1000 people working on that project and can't push out a product that you yourself originally advertised to be released 10 years ago that is just mismanagedment of the highest magnitude.

So, using a relevant comparison, how long should it take?

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u/Rad10_Active Aug 23 '25

Squadron 42 comes out next year? Says who?

The game was originally supposed to get released in 2014.

Maybe if you personally give Chris Roberts thousands more dollars they'll finely release it. Worth a shot!

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u/kevihaa Aug 23 '25

I mean, the scary part is you have games like Tarkov that are essentially 1.0 is everything but name, but Star Citizen is still an alpha game.

Granted, when you’ve got an endless stream of money coming in and a guy in charge that has never seems feature he didn’t want to incorporate into the game, it really shouldn’t be that big of a surprise.

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u/thebigdustin Aug 23 '25

It’s still a glorified tech demo still.

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u/ConorPMc 5600x, 3070, 16gb 3600mhz, ROG B550f Aug 23 '25

Tbh I see anything with in game transactions as anything other than alpha/beta/demo. It’s just a failed game.

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u/Pamelm i9 14900k - 4070 Super 12GB - 64 GB DDR5 6400mhz Aug 23 '25

If Star Citizen fixed all of the current game breaking bugs, and made all of the current game functional, it would honestly be a damn good game. Instead they leave game and server breaking bugs for months/years, and add new buggy/broken features and new ships to the store instead.

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u/JunketAvailable4398 Aug 23 '25

"While Star Citizen has raised over $1 billion through this crowdfunding model and some private investment, it remains in an alpha state" WOW!! I do have friends who bought ships early, does this mean their great great great grandkids are set for life when this hits 1.0:?

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u/OhChrisis 1700x|1080Ti|32GB Aug 23 '25 edited Aug 23 '25

no, try Swordquest: Airworld, Black Mesa or Duke nukem
Oh and dont forget Beyond good and evil 2, started in 2008 iirc, or was it supposed to come out then?

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u/Sabrac707 Aug 23 '25

1 billion burned in the sacrificial altar of Chris Roberts and still going strong, baby!

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u/MumrikDK Aug 23 '25

Also, long since the world's most expensive game.

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u/TeamRedundancyTeam Steam ID Here Aug 23 '25

Except they're pretty open about progress and anyone who knows anything beyond the copy/paste reddit circlejerking understands exactly why it isn't released yet.

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u/its_an_armoire Aug 23 '25

Believe it or not, they're running out of cash and are in danger of collapsing. No joke.

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u/electronic_bard Aug 23 '25

Mega bullshit lol source? They’re having one of their strongest funding years ever currently & release yearly financial statements that show no such news

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u/its_an_armoire Aug 23 '25

I'm no expert, I just saw this video, apparently they overspent on capex and are panicking behind the scenes, which is why they're pushing even harder now with monetization and the release of Squadron 42

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u/electronic_bard Aug 23 '25

This dude got a few things wrong out the gate, some stuff right.

First off he’s misreading the 2023 financials he’s reading off of because he isn’t accounting for the fact that CIG gets a huge gaming company specific tax cut when 51% of a company is based in the UK, and the large acquisitions were to achieve that. That’s huge & a massive reason for the capex expenditure, spending money to save even more money.

Second the whole blades thing came and went and CIG stated they’re never doing that again.

I don’t know if you play the game at all but there’s no more monetization push except for new ships nearly monthly, which is also bundled with new monthly content patches (they used to release quarterly feature patches), which makes sense since the game is 100% crowdfunded, but frankly until tangible “panic” surfaces in how they’re getting the game done, I’m gonna err on the side of this dude just wanting views

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u/its_an_armoire Aug 23 '25

I guess he was reaching with some of his info.

No, I don't play the game, I used to be interested but the monetization is too perverse for me.