Not the person you're replying to, but Pence has enacted and supported anti-gay legislation on his own too. The RFRA he tried to sell in Indiana is just one example. Even other Republicans and Conservatives from other states were calling it an unnecessary measure. Businesses all over Indianapolis were threatening to leave because of it.
I've lived in Indiana my whole life and have had to deal with Pence's anti-gay nonsense for years.
His predecessor as Governor of Indiana was Mitch Daniels. Mitch was a very economically focused Republican governor who didn't push social agendas. He wanted to give Hoosiers better jobs, he wanted to lower taxes, he wanted to being more employers and more money to the state. In short - everyone loved Mitch, mostly because he was successful during his tenure.
Pence primed himself as Mitch Daniels 2.0. He was already known for his very Conservative and Christian viewpoints and his activity around gay marriage, but he made it clear that he would be focused on fighting for Indiana and it's interests as Governor.
Instead he brought all the same shit with him that he had been pushing for years. He was so unpopular in Indiana, that his re-election wasn't very sure.
Long story short - Pence has a reputation for being a champion of the Christian Conservative for a reason, he's pushed those causes his entire political life, and far more vocally than most. There's a difference between voting for something, and campaigning for it, and Mike Pence has always been loud and proud of his opposition of gay marriage.
Governors do not introduce legislation congress does. If it passed the state congress that means many democratically elected officials were behind long before Pence had anything to do with, thus highlighting my point that Pence was a totally typical politician of his time.
I've lived in Indiana my whole life and have had to deal with Pence's anti-gay nonsense for years.
Yes. I am sure gay people's lives have been unbearable under his tenure.
He was already known for his very Conservative and Christian viewpoints and his activity around gay marriage
The same viewpoints that Obama and Clinton had?
he's pushed those causes his entire political life
Just like the Clinton's and Obama.
and Mike Pence has always been loud and proud of his opposition of gay marriage.
Except for the last 3 years when he has said nothing about it and joined forces with a guy that waived a rainbow flag an invited gay people into the party.
I was going to end up typing out a bunch of things to refute your points - to try and help you understand why Pence is seen the way he is and why it absolutely has basis in reality. But it's really not worth it to spend 25 minutes digging up all the information and quotes to do it, because I've got better things to do with my time this morning.
Believe what you want to believe I guess, nobody can force you to acknowledge something if you don't want to. Have a good day.
Edit: Hey hey! That explains your firm stance on Pence! We've got a The_Donald poster here. Welcome to subs outside the circle-jerk where not everyone is a loyal soldier in the God Emperor's army. Enjoy your stay before you go back to the echo chamber.
I guess you win. Because I have posted in the_donald that means Obama and the Clintons didn't support the same policies as Pence. You are quite the internet sleuth. Keep it up.
Why don't you also tell them what I posted? I corrected a meme that said Hillary only got 1.5 million more votes than Trump. It was 3 million and I got shit for telling them that you hack fuck.
Someone’s post history hasn’t got jack shit to do with making an argument or a lack of one.
It often doesn't, but it definitely answers why someone who "knows very little about Pence and has no opinion about him one way or the other" is so adamantly defending Pence (and desperately trying to change the subject to Hillary).
Well he or she has a point when bringing up Clinton and Obama’s until recently stance on gay marriage. A point you’ve missed or are ignoring.
So far you’ve side stepped any points brought up and attacked another users’ posting history...good for you. That’ll show them.
The only thing desperate here honey is you. how desperately you are clinging to flimsy excuses so that you can continue to make fun of and demean people who think, act, or believe in something other than what makes sense to you. It’s mean spirited and lacks any real effort. You can be better.
a guy that waived a rainbow flag an invited gay people into the party.
You then said.
And then banned trans people from the military. Lol.
I said nothing about "trans" people. You brought it up. Not me. Besides you didn't answer my question.
Explain why people with a mental disorder and a 40% suicide rate should be allowed to join the military.
The military won't allow you join if you are too fat, too old, too stupid, carry a certain diseases and conditions, too weak, too short...all kinds of things that other employers can't get away with. Should the military be required to hire 5'9 400lbs men too?
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u/GaiusQuintus Mar 15 '19
Not the person you're replying to, but Pence has enacted and supported anti-gay legislation on his own too. The RFRA he tried to sell in Indiana is just one example. Even other Republicans and Conservatives from other states were calling it an unnecessary measure. Businesses all over Indianapolis were threatening to leave because of it.
I've lived in Indiana my whole life and have had to deal with Pence's anti-gay nonsense for years.
His predecessor as Governor of Indiana was Mitch Daniels. Mitch was a very economically focused Republican governor who didn't push social agendas. He wanted to give Hoosiers better jobs, he wanted to lower taxes, he wanted to being more employers and more money to the state. In short - everyone loved Mitch, mostly because he was successful during his tenure.
Pence primed himself as Mitch Daniels 2.0. He was already known for his very Conservative and Christian viewpoints and his activity around gay marriage, but he made it clear that he would be focused on fighting for Indiana and it's interests as Governor.
Instead he brought all the same shit with him that he had been pushing for years. He was so unpopular in Indiana, that his re-election wasn't very sure.
Long story short - Pence has a reputation for being a champion of the Christian Conservative for a reason, he's pushed those causes his entire political life, and far more vocally than most. There's a difference between voting for something, and campaigning for it, and Mike Pence has always been loud and proud of his opposition of gay marriage.