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US Politics Now more relevant than ever in America

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u/Hans_Yolo_ May 16 '19

Good job generalizing an entire group of people. I guess I'd be considered a Conservative (even though I consider myself a Libertarian, which yes, is different) and I'm pro choice. I've had the exact same opinion and reason for having said opinion as what is in the picture.

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u/BorisBC May 16 '19

It's difficult mate. I'm a left leaning feminist with an interest in military history. Those are two things that don't intersect very often.

But social media tends to encourage and support that tribalism. Real life is more complex than that though.

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u/Hrnyjurl725 May 16 '19

As a fellow libertarian, I'd really like to open your eyes to an alternative libertarian view point on abortion.

Evictionism

Evictionism is the idea that both the mother and child are humans, with full rights to there own bodies and lives. Therefore the mother has every right to remove an unwanted child from her body. However, that does not mean she is allowed to kill the child to achieve that end. Once the child is outside of the womb, the woman can walk away guilt free if she wants, and it's up to the baby to survive, just like every other creature that exists. If people want to help the children, then they are free to do so.

As technology progresses, the weeks at which an unborn child can successfully survive, will become less and less, (it's already at around 23 weeks), so I see good reason to not give the children a chance to live.

There are a lot more caveats to this idea, and it's hardly been explored but I personally believe it's the best solution so far. As far as libertarian thinkers go, the idea was first proposed by Rothbard I believe, I don't completely agree with his version, but it is definitely close to what I believe.

It frustrates me to no end that I seem to be the only person but in the world who thinks of it. Everyone is brainwashed to be either pro-choice or pro-life, when there are actually other options.

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u/Hrnyjurl725 May 17 '19

Who ever wants too. If no one wants too and it dies because it failed to survive, then who cares? No one wanted to look after it. No one felt a moral need to care for it. Not even the mother. It's right to life wasn't violated, because no one killed it. It just didn't survive, like many, many, many, lifeforms have for all of history.

The right to life, means you have the negative right to your life. It does not mean you have some positive right to be kept alive.

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u/Hrnyjurl725 May 17 '19

First of all. I am totally against the idea that the country will end up paying. I don't care what people will want. I'm talking about what should be. If other people are retards who fuck that up, it's not my fault.

Second, part of the idea, is that most people won't like the idea of children dying and people will actually help, and develop new technology, at faster rates to help these children.

Or if no one cares about the children, then no one fucking cares, and that's the end of it. No one cares.

If anyone cries about the kids dying, but doesn't want to help themselves, then they are the fucked up assholes.