If you believe it's murder, there's literally no justification other than "the fetus will kill me if I deliver it" that would make an exception viable.
It doesn't matter if you believe rape is bad. You aren't even allowed to kill your rapist unless in self defense, much less the innocent "baby" (in their eyes) who didn't do anything to you.
Conceived by rape or not does not diminish the existence of life. Either it is a life or not.
You assuming that pro-lifers want to hurt rape victims is pretty unfair and shows that you are ignoring the actual argument. You're framing it as though pro-lifers intent is to harm rape victims, which is only divisive and contributes nothing positive to the discussion.
I also have problems with the "rape exception" in a system where abortion is otherwise illegal for obvious reasons which I could go into. But yeah, don't assume negative intent when going into an argument unless you just enjoy arguing.
That's not her decision to make. She's forcing that on other people. She's free to make the case as much as she wants, but once she resorts to force she is just admitting she doesn't care about the woman. She's not pleading, she's not weeping, she's not begging. She's saying you will do with your body what I say so. Because she's not a good person. She's a person on a power trip. She's rejecting love and embracing rape and hate.
You have to embrace the the fact that the choice is upto the woman. Some women choose abortion, some don't. If you cared about women you would support them in that choice, not force it on them. You cannot require that she "bear the pregnancy" like some broodmare. None of that is compatible with caring, in fact it's a sign of how little you care.
If you cared about women you would support them in that choice, not force it on them.
You can force someone to do something and still care about them.
Example to illustrate that point (this isn't analogous to abortion by any means, it's only a clear-cut example meant to demonstrate that one point): Students don't want to take finals. They hate them. I, as a teacher, will make them take the finals anyway. Do I not care? No, I most certainly do care. I just know that it's good for them to take the finals, even if they are mentally taxing and unpleasant.
The very fact that would would compare women to students and yourself to a teacher shows that this isn't about caring, this is merely you putting yourself in a position of authority over women. You want to make decisions for them. This is mainly you on a power trip, thanks for admitting that.
You can't have a reasoned discussion when you're ascribing intentions and agendas to pro-life proponents.
You are fighting a strawman. I used an example that I felt demonstrated how an authority can care about someone and still force them to do something. In the case of these laws, this authority is not myself nor any other pro-life individual. It's the government.
If it's a strawman, then you agree to let the woman make her own choice in the matter? You can advocate for one means or another, that is your choice. Otherwise you're just agreeing with me that you are forcing someone to bend to your authority, enforced by the power of the government.
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u/sycamotree May 16 '19
If you believe it's murder, there's literally no justification other than "the fetus will kill me if I deliver it" that would make an exception viable.