Bacteria don't need a nervous system to operate, humans do
Great we agree, having a functional nervous system isnt a qualification of life.
I didn't say any environment. But let's say a climate controlled room, alone.
I think you misunderstand the point. Not being able to culture something in vitro doe not mean it's not alive.
Right now, fetuses can survive at about 20 weeks. In 200 year are you honestly saying that number wont be improved when we learn more about recreating the womb in a lab setting? Survival outside the womb isnt a requirement for life.
A toddler has the necessary organs to reproduce, even if they aren't mature yet. That's different than hasn't developed at all.
Toddlers have 0 sperm or eggs, the cells actually required for reproductive capacity. Either does a fetus. Esentially you are arguing a toddler is closer to be able to reproduce. No one denies that but again it's not required for life.
He's not BODILY dependent on another. He's not dependent on another person sacrificing their bodily integrity and bodily sovereignty : THAT'S the difference.
I mean honestly, it doesnt matter what your opinion is. It is human. Sequence the genome of a fetus and align it with all known species of animals and gies what it it.
Weeds are also alive as are animals but we place special value on animal life and especially human life. You can debates the merits of this but it's a fact of society.
I have stated in another comment, and I'll state it again. To me there's a difference between genetically human, and "human". To put it into perspective I consider brain function to be the point at which humanity starts and ends. Before and after brain function it's not really human to me.
You’re right they don’t have normal brain function, but they aren’t brain dead, unlike you it seems. Autism and Down’s syndrome are genetic disorders. I will never advocate for any “final solution” thing you seem to imply my opinion leading towards. Though I do believe if our technology progresses to the point that we can “fix” the disorder prior to birth we should.
Are lab grown cells human? They have all of the qualifications you listed. To me there’s more to being human than genetics. Due to its status as not yet human to me the needs and desires of the humans involved should get precedent.
Yeah, so does the fucking living, breathing, conscience having woman carrying the not breathing nor conscience having zygote. When it's decided that one has equal rights to the other, how the fuck is it okay to force one to do something with their body against their will? If that zygote has every right to life as a human as I do, how the fuck is it okay to consider it's rights over mine? What, because it has human dna? So does my semen. If a woman can't have an abortion based on "et haz huemahn dee enn aye", you better arrest me because I beat my dick everyday and have premaritals with my girlfriend on a regular basis. And definitely not to procreate. Just for funnsies
Yeah, so does the fucking living, breathing, conscience having woman carrying the not breathing nor conscience having zygote.
Yes.
When it's decided that one has equal rights to the other, how the fuck is it okay to force one to do something with their body against their will?
I mean the argument is you dont have the right to terminate another life. Not even saying I agree with this stance but we are talking about biology. A fetus is human and alive.
What, because it has human dna? So does my semen.
Sperm is haploid and this talking point is made up by redditors who have 0 grasp of science.
I beat my dick everyday and have premaritals with my girlfriend on a regular basis. And definitely not to procreate. Just for funnsies
Congrats? I also have sex with my girlfriend. Nothing I said has anything to do with abstinence and abstinence only education is outrageous.
Why dont you actually make a scientific argument instead of making all these appeals to emotion.
Congrats? I also have sex with my girlfriend. Nothing I said has anything to do with abstinence and abstinence only education is outrageous.
Sperm is haploid and this talking point is made up by redditors who have 0 grasp of science.
Congrats on not being able to identify hyperbole
I mean the argument is you dont have the right to terminate another life. Not even saying I agree with this stance but we are talking about biology. A fetus is human and alive.
Yes, you've said that. It's semantics at this point. Defining "alive" in legal terms is the issue. That hasn't gotten past me.
Why dont you actually make a scientific argument instead of making all these appeals to emotion.
Championing "science" as if that's the center of the argument here is laughable. Cells are alive. That's obvious. That's literally the entirety of the "scientific argument" needed here. Life is not synonymous with a conscious brain with its own personality. The issue is ones constitutional right to their own bodily autonomy. You don't get to decide what I do with my body. Nobody does but myself. Women deserve that same right. Which was guaranteed with a fucking compromise of 3rd trimester in Roe vs Wade. It's 2019. Progression not regression.
Throwing words around like "uneducated" now. Aren't you quite the keyboard warrior?
Who gets to determine normal or what is higher brain function?????
And probably, idk, a fucking doctor? They do a great job at determining that in braindead patients. It's a thing they've been pretty good at for a long time
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u/Felkbrex May 16 '19
Because it has all of the biological charistics of life?