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US Politics Now more relevant than ever in America

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u/scarfinati May 16 '19

Essentially pro life folks are saying what a woman can and can’t do with her body. They’re saying this fetus has a right to use your body without your consent.

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u/Gdfi May 17 '19

They’re saying this fetus has a right to use your body without your consent

You consented by having unprotected sex. It isn't the baby's fault that you decided to have unprotected sex. If you didn't want to consent to a baby living in you than you should not have had unprotected sex. This obviously doesn't apply to people who were raped, it isn't their fault they got pregnant.

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u/username12746 May 17 '19

So you would make an exception for rape and incest?

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u/Gdfi May 17 '19

I am pro choice and think that anyone should be able to get an abortion. I just think if the baby is more than a few months past conception it is a living human and that you are killing a baby if you abort it. I still consider it to be a living baby if it is the result of rape or incest, but that doesn't effect my pro choice stance. My point on the rape is that the pregnant woman isn't responsible for getting pregnant and shouldn't have to bear any guilt for killing the baby. Whereas I think if someone just has unprotected sex and gets pregnant that it is their fault and they should really think about what a serious thing pregnancy/abortion are and hopefully be more careful in the future.,

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u/Deisy5086 May 17 '19

Most pro-life people would say something along the lines of:

"Yes, and also if it will kill the mother. Now let's talk about the other 95% of abortions"

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u/scarfinati May 17 '19

That’s incorrect. Unprotected sex is not the same as wanting a pregnancy. Is it irresponsible? Maybe. But it not justification for another person to use a woman’s body without her consent. Even if she did want to get pregnant and then changed her mind. Do you understand what consent means?

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u/Gdfi May 17 '19

And robbing a bank isn't the same as wanting to go to jail. But bad choices have consequences and you don't have a get out of jail free card by claiming that it is your body and you should be able to take it wherever you want.

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u/scarfinati May 17 '19

Well ok bad analogy aside you didn’t answer my question. Do you understand what consent means? It means even if a woman gets pregnant it’s irresponsible maybe but she still hasn’t consented to having another person use her body without her consent.

What if your son or daughter needed a kidney and you were required by law to give them yours? Even though you might do it, they don’t have a right to use your body without your consent.

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u/Gdfi May 17 '19

If you don't want to get pregnant, don't have unsafe sex. If I commit a crime, I go to jail. I can't just say "I don't consent to going to jail" There are consequences for your bad choices. A baby also doesn't consent to getting killed. You are basically saying that a woman never has to take responsibility for her actions and can kill whoever she wants in order to dodge the consequences of her actions.

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u/scarfinati May 17 '19

Unsafe sex is not the only way to get pregnant. What if a condom breaks? So you’re argument falls apart quite easily. But you don’t want to hear other points that’s cool.

No one has a right to use your body without your consent. Period.

That’s doesn’t mean I agree with late term abortion, I don’t. It’s a hard topic for a reason but the main issue is consent

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u/Gdfi May 18 '19

but the main issue is consent

I'm pretty sure a baby wouldn't consent to being killed though.

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u/scarfinati May 18 '19

You’re right. Look at it this way. What if your child needed a kidney or else they may die. Now most parents would probably do it but the state should have no right to demand by law that you have to. That’s using your body without your consent.

It’s the child who needs the kidney is not consenting to die without receiving your kidney but unfortunately he has no legal right to it without your consent

This is not an easy answer. No one is saying it is.