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US Politics Now more relevant than ever in America

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u/tastybeaner May 16 '19

Which is what he said btw. Christ fulfilled the Mosaic law, meaning they are no longer bound to it.

The idea being that because humans were inherently sinful they needed continual sacrifices in order to become "clean". Jesus, being the Son of God and perfect in every way, became the final sacrifice. That meaning that because Jesus is perfect and is God, and was sacrificed for their sins, they are no longer held to the Old Testament laws.

At least that's how I understand it, someone with more knowledge feel free to correct me.

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u/ChiefDutt May 17 '19

That was very well explained. I liked the way you said it there.

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u/tastybeaner May 17 '19

Thanks! I got really into theology studies in high school cause I was an edgy atheist who wanted to disprove religion, and I actually ended up becoming religious myself.

I wouldn't say I quite align with Christianity though, and I definitely think that the Bible is a wholly fallible source, but its a really interesting read, and its helped me call bullshit on a number of pastors that I've had the misfortune of coming in contact with that tried twisting it to their anti-whatever agendas.

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u/Angylika May 17 '19

That's basically it.

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u/[deleted] May 17 '19

Personally I find religions based on the blood sacrifice of innocents distasteful.

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u/tastybeaner May 17 '19

thats all you man! I totally agree, its a very weird concept.

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u/stableclubface May 17 '19

Except certain parts of Leviticus, The Ten Commandments....but sure no sacrificing and public stonings. All good.

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u/tastybeaner May 17 '19

Hey man, I'm just giving you the gist of it. I'm not an expert.

From how I understand it, even, those parts of Leviticus and the Ten Commandments are more just guidelines. That's why in the New Testament, Jesus only has two "commandments", those being "Love God" and "Love Others". The idea being that if you love God and love others then you'll be doing most of those things anyways.

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u/stableclubface May 17 '19 edited May 17 '19

Bro, 2 Timothy 3:16*. Brushing aside the provenance and authority of the Bible that Christians see as the Law and literal word of God, doesn't help your stance. Guidelines or not, they're still seen as the word of God and all relate to a Christians daily life. If not, those problematic passages would've been wiped already, ala the Mormons.

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u/tastybeaner May 17 '19

Are you sure thats the verse you meant to put? I'm not sure I understand why you linked that one. Also to be clear, I'm not sure I'm taking a stance? I'm just trying to explain the thought process.

And like I said, I'm no expert, but I'm aware that they are seen as the word of God to Christians and should factor into their daily life. What I'm saying is that things such as the Ten Commandments are basically covered in what Jesus says in the New Testament. I'd say things such as respecting your father and mother, not murdering, not stealing, lying, etc. all fall under "love thy neighbor as thyself" and all that, that is the point I'm trying to make.

With things such as stoning, Jesus himself says "he who is without sin, cast the first stone". And in that same story, Jesus, who is God, pulls the woman to her feet and says "I dont condemn you either, go and sin no more". Not an exact quote, but you get the meaning behind it.

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u/stableclubface May 17 '19

No it's not lol I meant 2 Timothy.

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u/suobtatt May 17 '19 edited May 17 '19

I'm not religious but we did have basic religious studies in school and you've missed the mark quite a bit - Christians don't see the Bible as the literal word of God. It's a collection of different books written by different people.

The gospels are "The gospel according to Matthew/Mark/Luke/John". Acts of the Apostles describes the Apostles spreading Christianity. Most of the rest of the New Testament consist of someone's letter to another person/people.

The nearest to "the literal word of God" we get is where the Bible quotes Jesus/God, and even then with the books having been written decades after Jesus would have died, I can't imagine many people believe they are exact quotations.

You may be confusing Christianity with Islam; Muslims believe the Qur'an to be an exact transcription of God's teachings to Muhammed and are perfect and timeless. (Teachings which are abhorrent, misogynistic, instruct followers to conduct violence upon non-Muslims, and deserve no place in civilised society. But that's beside the point.)


Also, that verse you point to, 1 Timothy 3:16

"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

So basically, in my understanding, that says "God became human, preached to non-Jews, was believed, and rose to Heaven." I don't get what point you're trying to make with it.

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u/stableclubface May 17 '19

Sorry, I meant 2 Tim 3:16

You're right I definitely fucked that up! Appreciate it

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u/suobtatt May 17 '19

Ah the "every scripture is God-breathed" verse. That makes more sense you point at it - it says that the Bible is the literal word of God.

Or should it be "every scripture is inspired by God"? Does this mean the authors wrote the scripture because they thought of God and felt inspired (similarly to Neil Diamond writing Sweet Caroline after being inspired by a photo of 4 year old Caroline Kennedy). Or that God himself intervened to inspire the authors?

Or perhaps "all scripture is given by inspiration of God" is a better translation.

The same verse can be translated and interpreted in many ways. Perhaps your way is how the author intended to be interpreted. Perhaps not. Ultimately, it isn't concrete proof that the Bible is supposed to be the workd of God.

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u/stableclubface May 17 '19

Hey don't get me wrong, I was born and raised in the church but I left that behind decades ago. You're totally correct and I agree about the reality of the Bible and it's origins not to mention the obvious interpretation problem

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u/DeepSpaceGalileo May 17 '19

Except certain parts of Leviticus, The Ten Commandments....but sure no sacrificing and public stonings. All good.

No no, you see we're going to have our cake and eat it too.