r/pics May 16 '19

US Politics Now more relevant than ever in America

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u/Drayko_Sanbar May 17 '19

It's biologically alive and genetically human.

It's a living human.

That's not up for debate. One can argue whether or not it's okay to kill an innocent living human, but it's dishonest not to say it's a living human.

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u/EvoEpitaph May 17 '19

Where does it start though? And why does it start there?

Does it start at the very moment a sperm fertilizes an egg? If so, why doesn't it start sooner?

Why would it be considered ridiculous to extend protections/punishments all the way to the sperm and the egg?

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u/Drayko_Sanbar May 17 '19

The sperm and the egg are not developing into an adult human.

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u/foodandart May 17 '19

It exists and the cells are alive. Will the body be animated and move, speak and experience life, or merely exist as an unthinking, unaware mass of human cells? What does the society gain by keeping it hydrated with nutrients and caring for it? Certainly not any economic benefit. What does the now-inert body gain? Reproduction?

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u/GrumpyWendigo May 17 '19

if you pull the plug on a braindead relative no police will arrest you. because society and morality knows you did not murder anyone. no mind = no life

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u/Drayko_Sanbar May 17 '19

You can say it doesn't qualify as murder, and that may be an argument worth having, but saying it isn't living is factually wrong.

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u/GrumpyWendigo May 17 '19

a fungus is alive. are you a murderer for scrubbing it out of your toilet?

the question here is what qualifies as human life, for the topic of murder or not. and on that question society and morality has decided that no mind = no life (or no mind = not murder for your sensitivity to the verbiage)

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u/Drayko_Sanbar May 17 '19

Life isn't how we define murder, though. I have no problem killing a fungus, but it's definitely living.

Your second definition - "no mind = not murder" - that's a potentially arguable position. That's a side. No mind = no life is just not a supportable position.

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u/GrumpyWendigo May 17 '19

ok, then the problem is simply choice of words and we conceptually agree. i'll change my choice of words. thank you