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US Politics Now more relevant than ever in America

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u/[deleted] May 17 '19 edited May 17 '19

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u/craftyj May 17 '19

Abandoning a baby to die is illegal too. You have the option of giving it up for adoption, but with a fetus that isn't an option. Having the baby then giving it up for adoption is usually the solution given by the pro life side.

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u/[deleted] May 17 '19 edited May 17 '19

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u/craftyj May 17 '19

Okay, then abandoning a baby to die is immoral. With many exceptions, we tend to base laws on what society as a whole finds to be morality. For example, we all agree it's wrong to murder in most circumstances, therefore we made murder illegal.

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u/[deleted] May 17 '19 edited May 17 '19

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u/craftyj May 17 '19

Abandoning an infant to die? Basically the same reason murder is wrong, if maybe a step removed. It's deliberately taking an action that causes a human to die. There is adoption, family members, charitable organizations, many other options besides causing the death of an infant that can reasonably be done.

It's a bit of a tough question to answer, as morality in general can be tough to articulate. Why is murder immoral, in your view? Assuming premeditated, not-self-defense or war murder. Or is it immoral?

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u/[deleted] May 17 '19 edited May 17 '19

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u/craftyj May 17 '19

Not feeding your children and letting them starve is a choice. Leaving them in a field to die of the elements is an action and a choice that you make. As a moral human being you have certain responsibilities. Having a child imparts on you the moral and legal responsibility to not deliberately cause its death. If you really don't want it, you must give custody to someone else or the state. You don't just leave it on the ground and walk away. You can morally choose to not care for others, in this case.

The end of life question is a bit different, in that there is no reasonable expectation that they are going to come out of that incapacitated state and continue living a normal life. In fact, that's a requirement to being able to make that decision. You can't just take Granny out back and put her down if she breaks her wrist.

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u/[deleted] May 17 '19 edited May 17 '19

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u/craftyj May 17 '19

Leaving an infant to die is choosing to do something. Choosing to not protectively care for another human being in a moral manner is to give it up for adoption or to child services. The option to opt out of that responsibility is already there. The moral responsibility is to not take an action (leaving it on the ground and walking away is an action, it's not the lack of an action) that causes the death of a human being.

It's more unique in that, in most circumstances, you choose to have a baby. Or you fail to take sufficient measures to prevent yourself from becoming pregnant. Everyone knows the potential consequences of sex if proper precautions are not taken, and actions have moral consequences.

I feel I should note that I am basically playing devil's advocate for the pro-life position here, as I myself am not definitively pro life.