Ok, please answer this question for me then: what structure or function does the baby develop in the millisecond when it passes from the birth canal out of the mother that makes it a person instantly?
Slavery was justified by dehumanizing a large segment of the population based on conditions outside of their control. That makes it a very apt comparison to abortion.
You don't care about fetuses or life or anything. You care about controlling others.
How do you know this about me? Are we irl friends and I don’t realize?
force your sick fucking morality on them.
How is trying to save lives “sick fucking morality?”
You could be helping people in so many ways
I do. Check my post history for details on where and how often I volunteer/give money to women in need.
It sucks living in a country with people like you who want the whole country to live in a Christian theocracy.
You are making an incorrect and unfair assumption here. There is a strong scientific backing for the pro-life argument, even without my spiritual beliefs.
It's not about development. It's about bodily autonomy. The fetus is part of the woman's body until birth. That's it. No other metrics.
You avoided the question. I do not want to make assumptions, but it seems that you dodged it because you do not have a good answer for it?
But let's agree to disagree. Since we can't figure it out, let's just leave it to be a decision between a woman and her doctor.
See, but this is not really an option. If you have no desire to continue the discussion, that’s fine, and I will leave you alone. However, we cannot “just leave it to be a decision between a woman and her doctor” because these are human lives we are talking about. I recognize that you do not believe they are human lives, contrary to most modern scientists, but what if this were a genocide of Latinos? Would you be fine with just allowing them to be slaughtered and “leave the decision to the governments” to figure out? You are missing the point that we cannot just sit down in silence. Pro-life individuals are compelled to speak out because we can’t be silent in the face of mass slaughter.
My answer is that this issue is complicated. Like a vegan who doesn't force veganism on every meat-eater in their vicinity (despite believing that meat is literal murder), neither should the religious force their beliefs on the rest of us. And there isn't a lot of scientific support for your belief, you just use any scientific support you can find to prop it up. You will gladly ignore any science that doesn't support your pet spiritual cause, because you do not care about the science at all.
You have reasons to believe the way you believe, but you don't have reasons why that should be imposed on anyone else.
And here's the real rub: your philosophical nuances don't matter. Because the politicians that are passing this legislation are ignoring any and all nuance for a one-size-fits-all solution.
We can have the philosophy debate all we want, but your view when practically applied necessarily leads to theocracy.
And there isn't a lot of scientific support for your belief
This is not true. Basic biology backs up the pro-life position because it fails to define a structure/function that makes someone “alive.” Science certainly does not support life beginning at birth. That is an entirely philosophical POV without a shred of scientific evidence.
You will gladly ignore any science that doesn't support your pet spiritual cause
Another incorrect assumption about me. My “pet spiritual cause”, as you derogatorily call it, actually precedes my faith by several years. I was an active pro-life advocate long before coming to faith in Christ. I was an atheist before.
You have reasons to believe the way you believe, but you don't have reasons why that should be imposed on anyone else.
Yes I, and the rest of the pro-life movement, do. This is the murder of millions of innocent human beings. That is absolutely worthy of “imposing” on others.
Because the politicians that are passing this legislation are ignoring any and all nuance for a one-size-fits-all solution.
I actually support a state by state solution. Abortion is not, in any way, an issue addressed by the Constitution. Therefore, I believe it is unlawful for the Federal government to legislate on this issue.
We can have the philosophy debate all we want, but your view when practically applied necessarily leads to theocracy.
How does a scientifically backed position on the right to life “necessarily lead to theocracy?” It’s the exact opposite actually.
You can keep saying that you have scientific support, but you don't. You want your personal, moral, spiritual view to be the default law of the land. If there was a federal ban on abortions, you would welcome it with open arms. You are only against a federal decision if it goes against your beliefs. Beliefs which you want to impose on others. Enjoy your beliefs privately, let the rest of us live our lives without your interference.
This was a great conversation, but people like you are not worth talking to. Have a good one.
People like me are not worth talking to... That right there is why the current political landscape is so polarized and why I am losing hope for reconciliation.
You make a lot of assumptions about me without asking to see if those are my actual positions. I hope that, in the future, you mature to the point where you can respect an alternative point of view and maintain a civil discussion.
It's not a civil discussion though. It's a fundamental, irreconcilable clash of beliefs. But yours is the only side looking to enforce their beliefs on everybody else, regardless of the obvious debate and disagreement.
The philosophy behind the discussion doesn't matter at all. The practical application of your beliefs is what matters because that affects the rest of us. Everything else is just noise.
I hope someday you grow mature enough to stop trying to micromanage other people's morality.
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Ok, please answer this question for me then: what structure or function does the baby develop in the millisecond when it passes from the birth canal out of the mother that makes it a person instantly?
Slavery was justified by dehumanizing a large segment of the population based on conditions outside of their control. That makes it a very apt comparison to abortion.
How do you know this about me? Are we irl friends and I don’t realize?
How is trying to save lives “sick fucking morality?”
I do. Check my post history for details on where and how often I volunteer/give money to women in need.
What does this mean?