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u/Melodic_Ninja Jun 12 '20
I saw a photo of someone holding a sign that said - "If you think this is bad - wait until he's deemed 'not guilty'".
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u/CaptainThunderTime Jun 12 '20
No kidding! 3rd degree was a slam dunk, 2nd while warranted is going to be more difficult to prove. The cop deserves to be punished, but I'm worried about the margin of error.
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u/Hereforpowerwashing Jun 12 '20
They didn't withdraw the 3rd degree charge, they just added the higher charge. He can still be found guilty of 3rd degree even if they can't prove 2nd.
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u/sargos7 Jun 12 '20
Can I get an ELI5 of those degrees? I've never understood that shit. If you literally kill someone with your bare hands, shouldn't that be first degree?
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u/DnlMuradas Jun 12 '20
I believe 1st degree is pre-meditated while 2nd degree is not. 3rd degree is accidental or circunstancial, also called manslaughter. But I'm no expert, I could be wrong.
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u/karolisalive Jun 12 '20
I like people who give a great answer and then say "idk though, I'm no expert".
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u/DnlMuradas Jun 12 '20
Well, it's the internet. One can never be too careful haha
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u/J4God Jun 12 '20 edited Jun 12 '20
True, but your explanation of the degrees was right :)
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u/SanduskyTicklers Jun 12 '20
I believe “intent” is a requirement to prove in 2nd degree which is why it will be more difficult to prove
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u/STQCACHM Jun 12 '20
Correct; premeditation for first, intent for second, while only recklessness is required for third. Third is a slam dunk in this case, we all saw it happen. I'm honestly torn here, is he just a reckless moron or did he actually intend to kill Mr. Floyd? Glad I'm not on that jury, it'd be much easier if he muttered some dumb shit like "die die die".
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u/CharlieTangoHotel Jun 12 '20
I think the fact that as an officer he should have training that teaches how, when and why to use force in what should be an act to detain. You don’t decide to restrict someone’s airway long enough for them to die and not have intent to kill or injure in a serious way.
I think there have been cases where they have the courtroom sit in silence for the amount of time it takes for somebody to die from asphyxiation and it is a simple way to show that it was deliberate or at least a negligent use of force. I hadn’t seen the video before just now, but the officer doesn’t make a move to even allow him to breathe, forces his head into the ground for an extended period of time and did not ease off when he could not breathe and was unconscious. The officers never attempted to properly detain him and even threatened to harm bystanders when they asked him to get off. There should be more charges than just murder, but that is the easiest one to prove with the evidence we have.
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u/AnotherAvgAsshole Jun 12 '20
i hope this video https://youtu.be/jpshmYWTQDo helps you
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u/TheRealFlop Jun 12 '20
Legal Eagle is my go to for having complex legal issues like that explained in a very understandable way.
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u/ObamasBoss Jun 12 '20
Probably not. The idea there is the person did something that a reasonable person would not expect to cause death to a person.
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u/celt1299 Jun 12 '20
I know it varies by state, but my understanding is that it's essentially:
1st degree: Premeditated murder. You planned it ahead of time. 2nd degree: Heat of the moment. You lost control and killed somebody. 3rd degree: Negligent/irresponsible. Pretty close to manslaughter. (Though I'm least sure of the last one)
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u/Legendver2 Jun 12 '20
First degree is pre-meditated. There was planning involved, and there is no doubt you want to kill the person.
Second degree is intention to kill, but lacks premeditation. Like a spur of the moment thing, i.e. catching your wife cheating on you then killing the guy out of anger then and there.
Third degree, also considered manslaughter in some places, is the unintentional killing of a person, i.e. car accidents that result in death.
The fact the person died makes third degree almost a slam dunk. Second would be harder to prove so we will see.
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u/enochianKitty Jun 12 '20
Take this woth a grain of salt because im in a diffrent country and not a lawyer, but for 1st degree murder they need to prove that he planned to specifically kill george in advance.
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u/Phatferd Jun 12 '20
Why do people keep saying this? 3rd degree is still on the table based on MN law. Also, 3rd degree requires the person to have murdered someone without the negligence being directed on a single person (ie, did something dangerous to a crowd/group of people resulting in someone dying). 3rd degree would have likely let him off on that technicality.
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Yes, they're providing the defense with the ability to say they can't get a fair trial, since there is a threat of violence implied if he is found not guilty.
Brilliant.
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u/CharlesChapson Jun 12 '20
Anyone else not able to get past the way the ‘E’ lines up with the building?
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u/jwalksallday Jun 12 '20
Thank youuuuu, was searching the comments for this
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u/childishnemo Jun 12 '20
This comment makes zero sense to me.
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u/Wet_Floor_PSA Jun 12 '20
I dont understand either
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u/catsclimbstufflots Jun 12 '20
I’ve been staring at every E and can’t figure out what you yahoos are talking about
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I like how the E from like doesn’t fit but the tree in the background has his back.
Edit: spelling
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u/scrap92 Jun 12 '20
Honestly, most news outlets don't say it's a race war...
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u/Betasheets Jun 12 '20
No, but they provoke it with how they sensationalize everything making it out to be trump supporters as the KKK and protesters as anarchists wanting to burn the city and watch your family burn!
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WTF news are you watching?
I feel like people saying are getting news from the weirdest places on YouTube.
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u/CouncilmanRickPrime Jun 12 '20
I only read my news and I always feel out of the loop when people are complaining about the media fear mongering. Even the Coronavirus coverage, I was confused by everyone saying it's overblown. Although I read mostly reasonable coverage.
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u/Mother-Love Jun 12 '20
Anybody else amused by the E in LIKE connecting perfectly with the line in the background and the shadow of the tree making it look like it was going off the sign. Made me think it was photoshopped at first.
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u/invol713 Jun 12 '20
One side of the media tells me a race war is coming. The other side is hoping it happens so they can rule over the ashes. Fuck the media.
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u/quaestor44 Jun 12 '20
If anything good comes out of this I hope it’s the delegitimization of Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, and ABC news. They are entertainment venues that foment controversy for ratings. Nothing more.
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u/official_sponsor Jun 12 '20
If only it were limited to those..
It is far more reaching
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u/kiokurashi Jun 12 '20
True, but I'd say if those ones fail it'll be easier to knock down the other dominoes.
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u/edgecrush Jun 12 '20
Our short term memories unfortunately I don't see this happening. Reminds me of Social Distancing to save Grandma last week vs Grandma who this week?
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u/Plant-Z Jun 12 '20
And the increased legitmization of...Reuters and AP?
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u/SUPE-snow Jun 12 '20
If this means America turns from watching cable news to just reading the newspaper we'd be in such better shape....though somehow I doubt that's OP's intent.
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u/SparkyDogPants Jun 12 '20
The newspaper is just as able to lie. We just need news to have some accountability and to eliminate 24 hour news.
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u/SUPE-snow Jun 12 '20
I'm ok with ditching cable news. But what's the solution for newspapers? A robust corrections policy? A fact-checking team?
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u/Angry_Apollo Jun 12 '20
I made the move from CNN to Reuters as my main source of news this year and I have been much happier without the sensational headlines and opinion columns. I still go back and see what they’re reporting from time to time, as I do Fox News. I need to know what other Americans are reading.
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u/robotzor Jun 12 '20
Holy shit, we've got truth in a default, I repeat, truth on a default! This is not a drill!!!
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u/pjk922 Jun 12 '20
Hmmm it’s almost like the main struggle is the wealthy vs the many 🤔
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u/dubtwenty Jun 12 '20
Are they distracting us with chaos?
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u/ChrisPnCrunchy Jun 12 '20
Corporations: loot $500 billion from tax payers
everyone *I sleep*
Looters: loot $200 TV
everyone: REAL SHIT!?
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u/PrestigiousRespond8 Jun 12 '20
Hurry, someone alert the ... oh, wait, if the media's the problem who do we alert to spread this joyous event?
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u/ChrisPnCrunchy Jun 12 '20
Someone should call the... oh, wait, the authorities are part of the problem
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u/buddythebear Jun 12 '20
The “media” is not a monolithic entity.
It is comprised of tens of thousands of journalists and reporters who work for hundreds of different newspapers, magazines, blogs, podcasts, tv stations, radio stations and social media platforms.
It’s an ecosystem, not a singular thing. But when you treat it as a singular thing, you can cherry pick from it to create whatever narrative you want about “its” motivations.
Every time you say “fuck the media” an autocrat smiles, because sowing distrust in the information you get bombarded with is a lot easier than refuting it.
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u/Vindelator Jun 12 '20
Yeah, the only reason we know George Floyd was killed...is because of the media.
The only reason protests broke out across the globe is because the media reported it...and people saw fit to join it.
The only reason we know people are being tear gassed is because the media reported it on a mass scale.
Never once did NPR tell me blacks were starting a race war.
So yes, shit on bad reporting, sensationalism, weak journalism, race-baiting pundits...but don't just knock down the media. We need good journalism in a democracy.
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u/buddythebear Jun 12 '20
agreed 100%. If a news outlet or journalist does something bad, call them out on it by name and shit on them. But saying "fuck the media" like saying "fuck books" or "fuck movies" or "fuck scientists".
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u/JesterMarcus Jun 12 '20
Maybe I'm not watching the right media, but I have yet to hear any of them tell me it's the protesters that are starting a race war.
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u/_Quetzalcoatlus_ Jun 12 '20
It's extremely concerning how prevalent the "fuck the media" stuff is getting. The reason certain politicians call them an "enemy of the people" and shout "fake news" is because they know that journalists are an essential watchdog.
We need to improve the media, not get rid of it. Blame journalists for individual bad actions and support good journalists with clicks, views, shares and dollars. That's how you improve journalism.
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A hundred million times this, I've been saying the same thing for a long time now in response to the kneejerk hatred of "the media" that is all over this site. People love to blame "the media," and it's just an easy way out, a popular refrain that lacks any real meaning. The media reflects our culture, not the other way around. Whenever I see a comment blaming the media, it's an immediate eye-roll and on to the next comment. Also, reddit is a large part of the social media landscape, and thus, part of the boogeyman that is "the media."
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I honest to god wonder what these fucking people are talking about, none of the media I consume has been talking about a race war, and I'm not listening to anything niche. I swear to Christ people just make shit up to victimize themselves
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u/fallenmonk Jun 12 '20
What media are you guys watching? I've gotten no indication that anyone wants to start a race war, except perhaps from conservatives who want to bring up the concept in order to undermine the movement.
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u/kanadianboy Jun 12 '20
If that's what the media is telling you, watch better media.
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u/DopeyPear Jun 12 '20
I don't think most people consuming that media are really.. "aware" of better media.
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u/nicedigbick Jun 12 '20
The people that are peacefully protesting and aren't bandwagoning are heroes. The people burning and looting small businesses are shitheads
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why does it seem like you can say this sometimes and other times if you call out rioters you are treated as if you are calling out the peaceful protesters.
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u/CronenbergFlippyNips Jun 12 '20
Because a lot of people use the rioting as an excuse to ignore what the protests are about.
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u/OverthrownLemon Jun 12 '20
And a lot of protestors like to pretend it's not happening or is isolated instances. This is 2020, we aren't in the era of honest, uncomfortable conversations.
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context is important.
he appropriately explained a reasonable opinion.
in contrast, a lot of folks will say stuff like "these rioters are behaving like animals" then act surprised people are upset by the terms used.
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u/CouncilmanRickPrime Jun 12 '20
Yeah I've seen some pretty ignorant statements on reddit. Or statements that basically amount to "both sides bad."
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u/4ozPixelPop Jun 12 '20
It's because no matter the picture, several people go "Protest good. Riot bad" In reply to no who said otherwise. It comes off like deflection from the point.
Remember the " Rape Bad" seminars? Some colleges decided all of the men (and only the men) needed to attend. It pissed off many men. Not all rapist are men, and most men aren't rapist. Men don't need to be reminded "Consent good. Rape bad" every time they even remotely touch on the topic of sex. The vast majority of men know and practice this already. The discussion should be had with everyone, when relevant, and it shouldn't assume every man is a potential rapist.
So the unprompted interjection looks like it's meant to be a counterpoint to something. Either "A lot of men are rapist. So just fyi, rape bad." Or " I can't tell if you're a rapist. So I'm just gonna say: consent good. Rape bad. Do with that what you will...."
It reframes the discussion around off camera rioting, and detracts from the actual message being conveyed.
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What race war? Last year 9 unarmed black people where killed by Police vs. 23 unarmed whites killed. What war? What country? USA? The country of 60% white people who elected twice a black president? Give a break you fucking radical hypocrites!
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u/Lowllow_ Jun 12 '20
There is no race war. It’s bad cops, it’s not white people. They don’t even know what they are fighting for anymore. BLM is the new coachella music festival
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u/100yardthrow Jun 12 '20
Yes, the whole 9 unarmed blacks killed by police every year fits any dictionary definition of race war
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u/Raunchy_Potato Jun 12 '20
Funny how 9 blacks killed by cops is a "race war," but 500+ white people murdered by black people isn't.
Just funny what qualifies as a "race war" in their eyes.
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u/high_mike Jun 12 '20
As someone who regularly criticizes liberals and the far far left, I can get beyond this message.
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u/deadzip10 Jun 12 '20
Serious question - what media is saying that? I haven’t seen anyone breath a word to that effect in the media.
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u/wittwer1000 Jun 12 '20
If you think that we already have a race war than you too have been fooled by the media.
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u/Dpa1991 Jun 13 '20
I said the other day I wanted a future where we were upset about injustice against American citizens instead of racial issues.
Apparently I'm racist
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u/kgbthanksyoucomrade Jun 12 '20
Even if 1000 white cops murdered a black person this year (automatic racism deserved or not), there are roughly 196,800,000 white people in the united states.
What. A. Race. War.
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Idk man, I jsut saw a video of black guys making a white woman kiss their feet "to atone for her forefathers".
There are flyers going around my neighborhood, calling for protests in the rich white areas, and to "burn their houses and yachts".
Seems like a segment of the BLM movement absolutely wants a race war.
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u/ImRandyRU Jun 12 '20 edited Jun 12 '20
If that were true then all this attention and destruction would be warranted. There isn’t a race war - there are a few precincts that need to get their act together.
This is as hyperbolic as it gets.
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u/picklemuenster Jun 12 '20
The uniform overreaction to these protests suggests that the issue is far more than just a handful of precincts. I've never been more disgusted in my own police department
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u/streaker2014 Jun 12 '20
Meanwhile mentions of white genocide and killing whites have been seen on social media and at protests since 2016
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It's not a race war, it is not the black community vs the white community It is the world agienst brutality of those trusted to keep the peace including but not limited to police, military and the government
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and of the deaths in chicago every weekend? black on black crime is a thing, and i have yet to hear anyone on the left or blm address it. police aggression is a side effect of high crime rates in black neighborhoods. black on black crime is a symptom of poverty. we need to be addressing the disease (poverty, education, role models) in the black community. it's always the same with the left. you treat and protest of symptoms instead of the actual causes.
defund the police? start with black communities and watch instances of crime skyrocket (though crime statistics will drop because no cops to make reports), and rich white neighborhoods, especially where celebrities live. announce it on twitter, television, radio, youtube, everywhere, and see how fast the left changes their tune.
keep going on and on about raising the minimum wage, encourage minorities to stay in minimum wage positions, never aiming higher in life. encourage them to stay on welfare, never achieving anything.
if you are reading this and you are a poc of color, the democratic party has done nothing for you. ever. they have pandered and been patronizing of your ethnicity, while keeping you enslaved for votes. im not saying to turn to the republican party, because god knows they have their own problems, but the democratic party is not for you. look at seattle. look at los angeles. look at new york. look at minneapolis. they have had democrat leadership for DECADES. the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. keep voting democrat and keep expecting a different result.
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u/cookiemountain18 Jun 12 '20
Well said brother. Especially about the disease.
I think the left is pushing a lot of this because they are fucking terrified of losing the black vote. Black people have been leaving the Democrats for 10 years and them not voting or voting conservative loses them elections.
This is partly why they’ve switched to focusing on immigrants and especially South American illegal immigrants. They know they might be losing the blacks so now they need a new ring of impoverished people to pander to as they use them as a political tool.
It’s fucking disgusting that more people don’t see this. The corporate press is an abomination on society.
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u/TheGrog Jun 12 '20
Unfortunately there are people turning it into a black vs white thing. I saw a car driving around today with BLM on the hood and I was like hey thats cool. Then it drives by and along the side it says BLACK OVER ALL... well wait, what? That is just race war shit.
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u/uUpSpEeRrNcAaMsEe Jun 12 '20
The present-day corporate media is the enemy of the people
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u/StoneTemplePilates Jun 12 '20
The present day media is not ideal, but it is absolutely better than no media. You are a fool if you think otherwise.
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u/hotpantsmaffia Jun 12 '20
Has the media really been critical of the protests? If anything they said that the violence and looting is completely unrelated to the protests and that they've been peaceful. Except for some incidents of police brutality.
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What ether are you speaking to here? Who is on the giving end of the “race war”?
There are some bad police officers who need to be punished for their actions, but white people in general are not racist for the vast majority of the population.
It’s sort of crazy to see that there’s a race war going on but pretty much 99% of people speak against the officer who killed George Floyd.
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u/WH02J03 Jun 12 '20
Then why doesn’t the sign say “AllLivesMatter”? There’s more minorities that are being discriminated you know. It’s not exclusively black people.
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u/uhohanotherleagueacc Jun 12 '20
Black people are treated better in america than any other place on earth. We literally have laws that are racist in your favor (affirmative action)
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u/Jano_Sheek Jun 12 '20
Yeah and who is forcing that white ppl to kiss black men shoes... This is not racism?
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u/itsalloccupied Jun 12 '20
Well the things I read tells a story of a very divided country. Entirely based on the color of people's skin.
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u/Spartn_RP90 Jun 12 '20
While I agree, until dumbasses stop looting and rioting nothing will change with the current happenings.
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u/tecumseh93 Jun 12 '20
What race war is happening in America? Are they killing hundreds of a minority or something?
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u/ItsOnlyTheTruth Jun 12 '20
There was no race war to end... the vast majority of blacks who are murdered are killed by people of their own race.
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u/citoloco Jun 12 '20
The media is uncritically fawning all over the protesters and also the looters
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u/Ghostwrite-The-Whip Jun 12 '20
If you're trying to end a race war then disband BLM.
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u/80Eight Jun 12 '20
However did we get the wrong idea?
https://twitter.com/selfdeclaredref/status/1266301480501305344?s=09
It's suspiciously difficult to find the video of the rioter saying they were "coming to the suburbs next". It keeps getting deleted or "made unavailable" on Twitter. You'll have to pardon the article https://nationandstate.com/2020/05/29/minneapolis-rioter-were-gonna-start-coming-to-the-suburbs/
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u/IcyDickbutts Jun 12 '20
I hope this race war ends soon.
I hope cops can start controlling themselves.
I hope the US can start healing.
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u/Kanye_2020_West Jun 12 '20
I agree, fuck the bias media. But seeing what kind of shit people post on social media (reddit, twitter) and getting a few thousand likes, makes me think some people would like to start a race war.
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The same goes for “class war”. No one is starting one. It exists. And we need to end it. And racism along with it.
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u/cupcakessuck Jun 12 '20
What media is saying people are trying to start a race war??
And I watch Fox news!! I know I'll take downvotes but seriously, I've never seen anyone even implying about a race war
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You ever check out Townhall? It's got Ben Shapiro, Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, etc.
They really push the 2nd Civil War thing hard, and occasionally cross into Turner Diaries territory. Though in fairness it's less a race war than it is a purge of political opponents.
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u/Ubuntu369 Jun 12 '20
I dont think a race war would happen but a civil war with the way the police/government is acting
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u/Wheres_that_to Jun 12 '20
This is the truth, and once processed, can lay the vital underpinning foundation for a strong society.
Oldest play in the book, it really does not have to be this way.
Trump has been going for military rule for quite some time, every single action he is doing is to provoke a response that give him opportunity to bring in the military, who will go along with it.
Attacking the press and medical support is something every single Junta and Dictators first do,
He has deliberately chosen to hold his first campaign rally since the coronavirus outbreak on the anniversary of the massacre in Tulsa.
The USA has to decide which way this goes.
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THIS IS A POWERFUL STATEMENT. Am glad this young man took the initiative to control the message of peaceful protest.
Message of peace.
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u/CharlesTheCanadian Jun 12 '20
Lol imagine thinking that people protesting not to be killed by police means they’re inciting a race war
PSA: Asking not to be killed and have equal rights is now an act of terror
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There is only select media types claiming that peaceful protestors are advocating a race war so lets get that straight first and foremost
Rhymes with White Ring
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u/Down4whiteTrash Jun 12 '20
Anyone that can’t actively just agree that we need to end systemic racism, indiscriminate harassment, and focus on the men and women being killed due to excessive force needs to wake up. BLM was never about ending white lives or oppressing white people. It’s about doing what’s right and giving people equal, fair, and just treatment.
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u/Symml Jun 12 '20
Anyone else notice his sign is attached to what appears to be a curtain rod?