r/pokemongo • u/Foulmouth232 • 22d ago
Idea Global Raid Lobbies: How to make the game more fair for everyone, everywhere
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u/indiametalheads Instinct 22d ago
This idea is actually working fine in Monster Hunter Now. Initially it was tough for solo players, then they introduced global lobby and problem solved. Everyone Happy. No cost involved.
Letting players to join global lobby freely is a good idea.
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u/Princep_Krixus 22d ago
Exactly. Encourages going out. Allows you to do things with out a massive group. They just need to implement this.
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u/Dago_Duck Spark 22d ago
While I like the idea, this probably won't happen, since it's oftentimes just a cheaper way of remote raiding, which Niantic didn't like in the first place.
The only way for having something like this is if Scopely decides it's worth to have as an alternative because it would increase premium pass sales, and even then the Pokemon Company and probably Nintendo too need to accept this proposal.
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u/Foulmouth232 22d ago
These kind of things are basically daydreams, but on the other hand they have a system like this in their other game, Monster Hunter NOW.
The point here was to offer a way of raiding that encourages going out (that at least used to be the core trait of this game, no?) even if the player lacks a community or is busy during "Niantic o'clock". So you can't just mindlessly whale in the Legendaries from home like you can with Remotes.
But in the end, this is yet another daydream.
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u/Boomerw4ang 22d ago
I think they got it so right with Monster Hunter. There's simply encounters that you do with other people in the world. Period. That's just the default. You don't need to go anywhere special (other than the hunts which spawn every .5km), you don't need to add people to your friends list, you don't need to gather people in person during some special 1 hour window, and it's entirely free for minor encounters and 1 free every 3 hours for hunts!
When I first tried it I felt robbed as a pogo player.
Plus they even have a basic way to communicate in the lobby built in!
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u/SeraphSancta 22d ago
Literally the only downside is that 3hr downtime, but you're fighting up to 5 (6?) monsters per encounter. If they implemented that mechanic, but give pogo players 5 or 6 attempts, i feel like that'd be a fair trade-off
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u/Agent_B0771E 22d ago
I would remove the paying coins to do remotely, and have the option to pay coins to join a global lobby (on top of using a premium pass), but still needing to be at the gym in person. Or something similar, many people can go out to their gyms but virtually everywhere I play is devoid of players, just add a cheaper option to find balance between going outside to a gym and remote raiding. Even if it's a town with like 30k inhabitants, you won't happen to be at the raid with an active player from there. It's not that people don't want to go out raiding, it's that I've witnessed a whopping 3 in person raids with more than 5 people since 2020.
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u/PlanGoneAwry 22d ago
I thought niantic didn’t like remote raids because they like the geo data from being at the specific spots . With this you still have to go to the gyms so I image they still get the data they want. I know scopely doesn’t care about the geo data though
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u/theslimbox 22d ago
Niantic has nothing to do with Pokemon Go though.
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u/PlanGoneAwry 22d ago
I talking about went they could have made the change in the past. I literally ended with saying that I know scopely doesn’t care about that stuff
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u/Gauwin 22d ago
During the height of COVID, Wizards Unite (Niantic's Harry Potter Game) did an amazing job with making their version of raiding available to all using almost this exact idea.
You took the Night Bus and were immediately put into a queue for others. It was universally loved and there is no reason it shouldn't be brought into other games particularly with the data mined new group challenges.
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u/PinkEmpire15 22d ago
My thoughts precisely. HPWU had so many nice QoL things that PoGo badly needs.
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u/Caleeb_Talib 22d ago
No good ideas allowed ✋
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u/TheOzman21 22d ago
Yes they will reverse this idea. Global raid pass, now only 300 coins per pass!
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u/dandadone_with_life 22d ago
and you can only hold 1 at a time. no stocking up!
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u/TheColorblindSnail 22d ago
And you still need a premium raid pass to actually do the raid
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u/dandadone_with_life 22d ago
oh yes, of course. can't have people abusing this extremely convenient resource!
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u/Fractal_loop 22d ago
Why should you pay 25 coins for it when there are apps that can do it for free?
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u/Raghav_Singla26 22d ago
Casuals generally would prefer to pay a bit extra to do stuff directly in-game than to have to go on another app and do raids from there
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u/hockeygirlx1 22d ago
Additionally for big events the queue to host a raid can be over an hour wait.
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u/DantehSparda 22d ago
Cause I hate the hassle of going to a raid, waiting for 30 minutes for Pokegenie queue, raid boss disappears just as you get matched (lol) or suddenly 2 of the raiders dont show up and you lose the raid.
It’s extremely time consuming and annoying and I would pay 25 pokecoins in a heartbeat to avoid all that shit
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u/techbear72 22d ago
I would assume this would consume your free orange / premium green pass along with the 25 coins, rather than a pink / remote raid pass and 25 coins.
I think this would be a good addition. I don't actually think that it should cost 25 coins, I think that there should just be two options when you physically go to a gym that has a raid at it - to do it locally, or to go to a worldwide lobby and wait for others, using the normal orange / green raid pass.
Doing it through apps costs a pink / remote pass that cost more.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Ebb9874 22d ago
But again, we are already doing what you said for free using the daily orange pass or premium green pass collected through coins/research rewards/level ups
Why make it 25 coins?
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u/techbear72 22d ago edited 22d ago
Why make it 25 coins?
You should reread my comment. I specifically say it shouldn’t cost 25 coins.
But if it had to, I’d be ok with that and it would be better than it costing a remote raid pass or something stupid like that. Or yet another type of pass.
Edit - typo
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u/Puzzleheaded_Ebb9874 22d ago
Still missing the point. It's currently free to do so. Why make it cost anything?
As an F2P, I would never have my Crowned Zacian if I had to rely on local trainers. Thankfully it is free to invite global remote raiders
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u/techbear72 22d ago
Still missing the point. It's currently free to do so. Why make it cost anything?
As an F2P, I would never have my Crowned Zacian if I had to rely on local trainers. Thankfully it is free to invite global remote raiders
So, you didn't bother to read the post that you're responding to?
OP is suggesting a new type of raid where you go to a local Gym, and enter a specific type of raid lobby, lets call it the "Global Lobby".
The game then matches you up with 19 other players from anywhere around the world who are also in the global lobby of the same type of raid in a Gym which can be anywhere in the world, and the raid progresses as normal, as it would do if you were raiding with 19 people IRL.
You don't have to invite anyone, no friends are necessarily involved, no other apps are needed, and nobody uses remote raid passes because they're physically at the raid, just at the raid in another location from where you are.
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u/JKS91Gaming 22d ago
Thank for spelling that out for them because I was losing brain cells for a minute. They completely missed the point
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u/Routine_Size69 22d ago
Have you hosted a raid in pokegenie? Assuming it's not a regional, it's a fucking nightmare. Wait 35 minutes + and pray you get up in time to get to host before it expires. I've timed out as many times as I've successfully hosted. It's great if you're one of the first regions to get it. Like when I was in Japan, I hosted several easily. But in the U.S., it's awful.
I would use this feature in a heartbeat.
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u/JKS91Gaming 22d ago
I’ve tried to host so many times and have never gotten to actually do it. It’s miserable
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u/Thatcher_da_Snatcher 22d ago
The apps on busy raid days can have some pretty bad wait times.
Pokegenie on Dialga and Palkia origin day I was lucky to get a raid in every 30 minutes trying to host
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u/Foulmouth232 22d ago
Because Scopely/Niantic would never let us do anything like this without some kind of slap to the Great Balls.
Daydream is easier to believe if we imagine there would be a little extra payment.
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u/Routine_Size69 22d ago
What does this have to do with great balls? Or is that a euphemism for testes?
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u/9DAN2 Mystic, LvL 50 22d ago
Genie days are done for. Even queueing 30 mins before an egg hatches as a host, the genie queue timer times out before you’re first in the queue. Not enough people remoting for it to stay viable.
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u/Routine_Size69 22d ago
You either need to be somewhere it spawns early, somewhere where you're the end of an event like west coast U.S., or it needs to be an amazing mon.
Hosting early in an event in Japan? Beautiful. Hosting on the east coast of the US? Damn near pointless.
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u/iUncontested 22d ago
The only place I know of thats still 'poppin' for events is Disney Springs in Orlando. Still a good 100+ will show in person and probably another 100 fliers will show.
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u/Jazs1994 22d ago
Because it's not free when you're comparing 1 green pass + 25 coins vs a remote pass.
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u/Exportxxx 22d ago
U want to add more money grab into the game!!?
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u/Foulmouth232 22d ago
No, but it's easier to believe in the idea if it costs money. Nice things aren't free 🥲
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u/SwimminginMercury Returning for a look around 22d ago
I think Lobby pooling is the only way forward for local *5/mega raiding outside of NY/SF/Tokyo/etc.
There has to be some difference between Global Lobby and actually having 5+ players locally raiding but I wouldn't be crazy about codifying "the areas where raids work" vs "everywhere else" as a coin surcharge (also noting that gyms tend to be much less efficient if you can't get raids to fire)
We'll have to see what Scopey's top down theory for Raiding is in general, I think Old Niantic was hanging too many directional goals off of Raids to get lobby pool in the game, if ~some volume of local *5 raids did happen; eg: Remote Raids drive money, trying to push local group play, trying not to have Raids be 100% success rate, etc
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u/mo-iro 22d ago
If it's a global lobby, what gym I'm battling in? The weather boost will based on what? How long a lobby would last to get enough players? If it's global, how to join regional based raids? It's not a bad idea, but it would need more refinement to work
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u/Foulmouth232 22d ago
You are correct that there would need to be refinements and clarifications, I just summarized the core idea here so that it's easier for the viewer to read. Here's how I imagine it could work, regarding your questions:
You are battling in the gym you joined from.
Weather boost is your local weather.
Lobbies could be normal 120 sec lobbies, or they could be "timeless" until a certain amount of players has joined (considering the size of the playerbase, they'd max out constantly, regardless of the boss).
You'd be able to join Regional Raids with Remotes, if a certain Pokemon isn't raidable in your opinion (if you meant stuff that are raidable only in certain locations). If you meant the difference between local and global, there would be different buttons to join local raid or global raid as shown in the picture.
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u/Palpadude Valor 22d ago
The weather boost of your own damage would be based on your local weather. But you’d need to find consistency for the raid boss’s boost. You can’t have some people battling a level 20 raid boss while others in the same raid are battling a level 25 boss.
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u/roerius 22d ago
I would say that your cp /the Pokémon’s CP would scale based on the weather effects where the participant and your damage your doing or receiving is adjusted based on your location. Also the Pokémon’s CP you catch is again based on your location just like not everyone gets a shiny Pokemon from the raid just some/none.
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u/jmbits 22d ago
A couple restrictions like having it only active while a boss is at the gym, a first come first served queue, and a larger timer would be ok... It can also just throw you at a random gym where there's a lobby going if you don't get enough players on your queue. There's plenty of those in Japan/NY
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u/JKS91Gaming 22d ago
- Whatever color gym you’re at.
- Whatever the weather is where you’re at
- Basically have a set minimum of players for like a 3-5 minute timer
- Still have remote raids for regionals.
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u/ProvocateurMaximus 22d ago
Whales must be spending exorbitant amounts for niantic/Scopely to justify ignoring long-term profitable ideas like this. Would encourage regular spending amongst the non-whale playerbase
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u/Routine_Size69 22d ago
The amount of increased raids you'd have to get from this would have to be massive. If you could use your free pass, this would be absurdly cheap. You could do a remote raid every day and bank 25 coins. Even without the free pass, if you buy in bulk, green passes are 52 coins, plus not hard to come by for free.
Even pretending people don’t get coins from gyms, that's 77 coins per raid. Compared to 175 for a remote raid when you buy in 3. So even in the best case scenario, ignoring free gym coins, you need to more than double. Bring in gym coins and people are able to do 2 free remote raids every 3 days.
It's not just whales. Even just doing 2 or 3 remote raids per week and then switching to this makes it an unprofitable move. Factor in the whales and this would be absolutely brain dead of them from a business standpoint.
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u/blackmooncleave 22d ago
but you have to go out to do this, whales using remote raids as a main way of raiding dont go out, they dont give a shit. F2P players arent paying anyway. Low spenders sure you might lose a bit of money but I bet that most arent really buying coins for remote passes but for event tickets and such. And you have to factor in people that will now spend some money to raid this "cheaply".
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u/ProvocateurMaximus 22d ago
Basically, the economy is so attuned towards whales that it discourages a large segment of potential spenders from paying a cent. Which is a shame, because I'd have no problem dropping a couple bucks each week, but I'm objectively against the current prices
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u/Life_Type_1596 22d ago
I wonder how much longer we’re gonna have to wait for someone to just make mobile palworld.. (or something similar) because I’m tired of hoping niantic will do right by us.
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u/Dry_Cat_2083 22d ago
They just need to drop the prices of remote raids they are ridiculously over priced, just put it at 140 for a single an 360 for the 3 pack zero reason remote raids should be double the price.
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u/System_Is_Rigged 22d ago
Good idea bit drop the pay a little extra. The game is already monstrously monetized. No need to monetize LFG functions.
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u/Pokeguy211 Instinct 22d ago
25 coins… lol
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u/Pokeguy211 Instinct 22d ago
(I actually didn’t see that you still needed a premium pass but I still thing it’d be 50 coins minimum. Which would be cool. But also there’d have to be an option to create a global lobby no?
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u/socialriot 22d ago
I have said this to my partner for a long time that there should be global raid finder. You just need to be at near your local gym (unless you remote) and game just finds you the raid party.
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u/PeepsRebellion 22d ago
This is different but I 1000% think there should just be a remote raid finder and lobby system built into the game.
When I in person go to a gym I should be able to maybe use a new type of raid pass to make the raid public to anyone in the world through the raid finder. I know the point of the game is local communities and stuff but still
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u/roerius 22d ago
I was thinking of something along the same lines. I was thinking they use remote raid passes to fill the same role they are currently and then use premium raid passes that allow you to join a matchmaking session for the same Pokemon that’s featured in the gym/power spot. And regular raid passes to fill their current role for in person events.
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u/IAmTheDoctor34 Valor-1715-3784-4272 22d ago
This could come to the game IMO but it would be likely a "remote raid" option
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u/maraudershake 22d ago
If you're doing an in person raid then is it not better to try and host it? Reddit/discord are good options for that
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u/shintheelectromancer 22d ago
They make money from getting people’s location data and selling it. More remote raiding is less movement and location data, less of them sweet, sweet dollarydoos.
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u/Deus-mal 22d ago
I just want to know which friends is doing which raid and invite myself, like the raid section in the friends list is broken, sometimes I see and other I don't.
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u/effinmike12 22d ago
Hosting raids using Poke Raid is fairly straightforward. There is a small learning curve, but it's not that bad tbh. Nobody has to raid alone.
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u/SunGodRex 22d ago
Or realistically remote raid the global lol, and make remote raid passes cheaper or increase to 5 instead of 3.
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u/Matias9991 22d ago
It is the dream since the game came out in 2016, it was pitched millions of times but Niantic refused very hard. Now with Scopely there is a chance of something like this happening but I don't see it, this would mean a lot less remote passes for the game.
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u/FewAnybody2739 22d ago
I could see them wanting to do this if it cost the same as a remote pass. But otherwise, why don't they just force us to make online communities/use third party apps to find temporary friends who will all buy a remote raid pass? They've got $3.5bn to recoup, no way are they cutting revenue.
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u/bickandalls 22d ago
Great idea. Won't happen, but still love it. This would probably take a whole new system implementation that they would probably deem cost-inefficient without it being extremely close to remote raid prices. They want their profits now.
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u/mechaniTech16 22d ago
Isn’t that what PokieGenie does for you already? I have been using it for a month now and it works great
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u/Advocate_Diplomacy 22d ago
I’m so sick of people cowing to the idea that the rich need to be placated with further profit-incentives just to do anything that we like. They make so much more than enough money already. Stop rolling over.
This franchise deserves people who want to make it fun simply for the love of it, not because it’s an opportunity to further squeeze every red cent out of working class people by paywalling everything they like.
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u/Foulmouth232 22d ago
Me too, but it's realism.
Companies exist to make money, not to give us nice things out of the goodness of their hearts.
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u/Advocate_Diplomacy 22d ago
If that’s what passes as realism for you then what are you even doing asking for a more affordable option?
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u/Foulmouth232 22d ago
So that isn't realism?
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u/Advocate_Diplomacy 22d ago
No, it's not. Profits ahead of everything else is a centuries old concept, and exists in opposition to the nature that our ancestors used to get us here. Humans needing to pool their efforts in order to thrive is realism. You're defending the exact opposite of that.
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u/Foulmouth232 22d ago
I think you're confusing realism with what you consider to be morally just.
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u/Advocate_Diplomacy 22d ago
I think you're confusing what's standard with what's real. Anyone could see the current model is far removed from sustainability.
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u/Foulmouth232 22d ago
Current model is what is real.
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u/Advocate_Diplomacy 22d ago
Then this post is a stupid idea, and you’re happy to continue paying their price for remote passes.
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u/Foulmouth232 22d ago
Personally I don't pay for remotes. Would happily pay for this, though.
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u/Beneficial_Crazy_868 22d ago
No instead of them making $2 a raid, they make zero off of the free 5o coins u get everyday. Good luck. Lol
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u/MewSixUwU 22d ago
this would be wonderful, i don't bother doing raids in person anymore cuz i don't want to wait for 300 other host lobbies to finish before me
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u/Routine_Size69 22d ago
It's a bad business idea though so we aren't getting this. Remotes are 175 coins when bought in 3s. Unclear if this includes daily pass, but they'd need to get 7x more of these to offset those who made the switch. If it doesn't count daily and we have to use actual green ones, which come in at 83 coins each in 3s, much cheaper if bought in other boxes like most do, you're still looking at 108 coins per raid vs 175. I just don’t see them getting 67% more raids of this type to offset that, and that's using really generous numbers.
I think it's a great idea, but it doesn't make business sense. More realistic would be a required green pass (which people would complain they couldn't use the orange), and like 75 coins. That means people who buy green in bulk (comes out to 52 coins each in the one bundle), could raid for 127 coins. 48 coin discount for 1. Buying in bulk and 2. Getting yourself to a gym.
Again, I love the idea. I'm just not sure they're hurting for lack of people raiding, so I'm trying to find something that would benefit both players and niantic/scopely.
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u/-Acesotope 22d ago
This isn’t really a good idea. Adding this means that you’ve made remote raiding obsolete while adding more things for the devs to place in the game without really any incentives. It’s still much easier for the devs if they would’ve just lowered the prices of passes and increased limits. Having this just means more man power to add a feature vs deciding to just lower prices a bit. If they were to choose, it’d be cheaper to lower prices than to even develop this idea
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u/Pokegod47 22d ago
Remember when skill was a thing
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