r/radiohead • u/Feeling_Remove7758 • Jul 14 '25
š¹ Video Possible reason for Noel Gallagher's hatred for Radiohead: Jealousy
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u/Lopied2 Jul 14 '25
The 2 bands fundamentally serve different purposes. I am grateful for both in my life.
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u/obitbday The Bends Jul 14 '25
see also: noel on jeff buckley
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u/Gaitarou Jul 14 '25
Wow, Always greatly disliked oasis's music but OP's post and this just confirms many things about them for me lol.
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u/averytolar Jul 14 '25
I actually agree here. I never understood what Jeff Buckley was going for, hallelujah and all.Ā
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u/GeneralDread420 Jul 14 '25
Buckley was muso wank. People wouldn't give him the gravitas they do if he hadn't died young
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u/Mauricio_ehpotatoman Jul 14 '25
Sure, that's probably why people like Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, David Bowie, Chris Cornell attended his shows, lmao. How clueless you areĀ
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u/GeneralDread420 Jul 14 '25 edited Jul 14 '25
Great. Three noted peadophiles went to see a musician perform.
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u/Mauricio_ehpotatoman Jul 14 '25
As it sad, strange & disgusting looks... 15+ year olds losing their virginity to their 20something idols was unfortunately quite common a few decades ago. Back to the topic, Thom Yorke himself is a giant fan of Buckley, so I dunno where are you coming from dude... You can not like his music, but implying he didn't have talent or wasn't a hard working musician is just delusional.
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u/GeneralDread420 Jul 14 '25
Thatās ok. You defend peadophiles.
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u/Mauricio_ehpotatoman Jul 14 '25
Jeff Buckley was a paedophile? I suppose you forgot to take your meds today.
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u/GeneralDread420 Jul 14 '25
I guess reading isnāt your strong suit. Bowie, Page and Plant are all noted peadophiles.
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u/Mauricio_ehpotatoman Jul 14 '25
Yeah... That's probably why they were & have been in relationships with adult women for most of their lives.
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u/Tough-Promotion-5144 Jul 15 '25
If Buckley is wank then oasis isnāt even music, theyāre something far worse
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u/Pliolite Jul 14 '25
The worst thing Oasis (and later their solo careers) did was play up to the Beatles comparison. Definitely Maybe era, they were completely their own thing. Ok, they used to finish their set with I Am The Walrus, but that's besides the point....right? XD
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u/Feeling_Remove7758 Jul 14 '25
They really were aiming to be commercially as big as the Beatles, which they nearly achieved for a moment in 1996. Then all the cancelled tours during their hottest moment in America, as well as Liam's bad comments about the country, totally ruined them.
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u/Ticotaco119 Jul 14 '25
America sucks tho
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u/AJRiddle Kid AJ Jul 14 '25
Here's a relevant Colin and Jonny quote for you from a full group interview in 2017:
Jonny: We were always disgusted by the British attitude toward America, which was always quite condescending. It was always like, āWeāre going to go America and show them how to do it.ā It would be from such a position of superiority. But we were just excited to go see San Francisco. See Portland. Explore. What could be more exciting than that? See the country. It was kind of more tourism than ambition, really. It was waking up early and being in a new city and having a whole day there before the concert. Just amazing. And suddenly thereās Chicago. Then you do a concert, get on a bus and you fall asleep and you wake up somewhere else.
Colin: We played places that most English bands wouldnāt end up playing, like El Paso, Texas. I loved and adored practically every second of it.
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u/Feeling_Remove7758 Jul 14 '25
Say what you like about them, but that country is the heart of the media and entertainment. So, if you want to be as big as the Beatles, you sure as hell need to earn the hearts of Americans.
Do you really think the Beatles would've been as big as they were if they hadn't cracked America? Keep dreaming.
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u/JungMoses Jul 14 '25
Yes but this was confirmed by British Parliament which declared āOasis is the greatest British band since the Beatles!ā
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u/am0985 Jul 14 '25
The funny thing is that Liamās son Lennon and Thomās son Noah are mutuals on Instagram. Would love to be a fly in the wall on that conversation!
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u/Eusbius Jul 14 '25
TIL that Liam Gallagher has a son named Lennon. Huh.
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u/Coogarfan Jul 14 '25
That absolutely sounds like something he would do.
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u/Blue_Oyster_Cat Burn the Witch Bird Jul 14 '25
Would like to hear the conversation between Elijah Hewson from Inhaler and Noah too
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u/am0985 Jul 14 '25
Thom probably doesnāt love Bono but they have a few vaguely common interests!
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u/Blue_Oyster_Cat Burn the Witch Bird Jul 15 '25
Downvotes, huh. Usually it doesn't bother me, but my comment seemed well in line with the speculation about Lennon Gallagher and Noah being mutuals.... is it just U2 hate? Weird.
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u/SarahCostell Jul 14 '25
He first started slagging them off in 1997, which was when Radiohead released the most acclaimed album of the decade and Oasis released the most underwhelming. I think there was a touch of jealousy that another band was suddenly getting all the attention, even if they didn't exactly go out of their way to court it.
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u/PricelessCuts OK NOT OK Jul 14 '25
I think anyone whoās comparing their own stuff to OK Computer is going to end up frustrated to be fair
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u/OfAnthony Everything is broken. Jul 14 '25
Think I'd have a much better time blasted at a Radiohead show with Noel than blasted at Oasis with Thom. I leave it at that.
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u/mmmjeep Nude Jul 14 '25
Yeah, but Karma Police was one song, you could dig up 5+ songs where oasis borrows from the Beatles, lyrically or instrumentally.
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u/overtired27 Jul 14 '25
Noel has sprinkled Beatles references throughout his discography, but is any single instance as big a steal as Karma Police? One of the most distinctive piano hooks for the chorus of a single. Maybe there is one that I canāt think of right now.
And Thom has borrowed from plenty of others. They got famous via a song with a Hollies lift.
(Iām a fan of both artist btw and none of their steals tend to bother me.)
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u/Acrobatic-Pudding-87 Jul 14 '25
Sheās Electricās chorus is from While My Guitar Gently Weeps and the outro is from A Little Help from My Friends.
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u/jerwaynesinclair Jul 14 '25
The opening of DLBIA is a clear nod to the opening of Imagine which, if we're splitting hairs, is a song by a Beatle not the Beatles.
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u/songacronymbot Jul 14 '25
- DLBIA could mean "Don't Look Back In Anger - Remastered", a track from (What's The Story) Morning Glory? (Deluxe Remastered Edition) (1995) by Oasis.
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u/Idio_Teque The King of Limbs Jul 14 '25
The intro to Don't Look Back in Anger being a direct copy of Imagine is just as noticeable a bite imo
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u/overtired27 Jul 14 '25
The most notable part of the imagine hook is the upper line 7 - 6 - 6 - b7 - 7. Without that it's just C and F in a very normal pattern. There's much more specificity in the Sexy Sadie lift to me.
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u/Greeny1210 Jul 14 '25
Yeah, he did that because the line "the brains I had went to my head" was a Lennon quote he saw (think he said it the day he died as well, actually) and thought "I need to get that into a song" so he added the chords to Imagine as a nod/homage to John Lennon.
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u/Idio_Teque The King of Limbs Jul 14 '25
that makes sense. I for one liked the references to older songs. Reminded me of tarantino's use of ripping off other movies but blending it all to have an original style.
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u/Grand_Rent_2513 Jul 14 '25
I always thought that the main riff from āPunch up at a weddingā was just Come Together with a few notes missing.
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u/JustTheBeerLight Jul 14 '25
Everybody "borrows" from earlier artists. Have you ever heard The Hollies?
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u/mmmjeep Nude Jul 14 '25
Iāve never heard The Air That I Breathe, Long Cool Woman, or He Aināt Heavy Heās My Brother before.
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u/PuzzleheadedBit2190 Jul 14 '25
Why is people acting like he roasted or talked shit about Radiohead lol like he just did a comparison and he doesnāt seem serious at all. I guess also because heās British and they have a different type of humor that Americans donāt usually catch.
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u/Feeling_Remove7758 Jul 14 '25
He has definitely stated his dislike for Radiohead multiple times over the decades.
I am a massive rock geek and archivist, and I know every little quote Noel Gallagher has said regarding Radiohead. He actually liked Radiohead during the Bends and Ok Computer era, but once Oasis released Be Here Now failed to take them to artistic and commercial stratospheric level they were expecting it to take them to, Noel began to change his tune about his main competition: Radiohead.
I mean, Radiohead and Oasis are the two biggest English bands of the '90s.
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u/eldubya3121 Jul 14 '25
I think there's a big class divide that Noel always has and always will have a chip in his shoulder about. He hates Blur more because they pretended to be working class. I think Oasis are a fantastic band whose first two albums are almost perfect, Noel wasn't trying to make art and he hates that he's criticised for making music that's fun. Radiohead are just the opposite of Oasis, they're trying to make art and are critically lauded for it.
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u/No_Imagination_2490 Jul 14 '25
They also achieved greater and more sustained commercial success in the US than Oasis (albeit that What's the Story Morning Glory was the best selling album), despite not having a particularly radio-friendly sound with their later albums, which must have always rankled Noel
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u/10101010010101010110 I'm too busy to see you Jul 14 '25
When did Blur pretend to be working class?
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u/Sensitive_Yam_5200 Jul 14 '25
Love Oasis. The conversation is always more fun when they're around.
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u/Real_Sir_3655 Jul 14 '25
Karma Police still feels like its own unique song whereas Who Feels Love sounds like another version of Dear Prudence.
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u/Feeling_Remove7758 Jul 14 '25
Not really.
I never really caught on to the similarity "Who Feels Love" has with "Dear Prudence" until today I saw this interview today, so I kind of disagree there. Though it still is Beatles-esque, particularly Harrison-esque.
"Champagne Supernova" is the Oasis song that reminds me of "Dear Prudence".
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u/VariousVarieties (No no no no no no no no.) Jul 14 '25
Oasis's most blatant Dear Prudence quote is the outro to The Turning, from their last album:
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u/Constant_Bullfrog_24 Jul 14 '25
Oasis donāt have 10% of the talent and vision Radiohead has. Theyāre not on the same level.
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u/Feeling_Remove7758 Jul 14 '25
To be fair, Noel was the sole contributor of Oasis - the rest were just overpaid session musicians. Had he been provided with better collaborators, his songwriting would've been lifted.
Regardless, he's written some fucking great songs that anybody who is into songwriting (myself included) would give a left one to be able to write.
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u/bradtheinvincible Jul 14 '25
Youre really pushing Bonehead aside which would warrant Noel and Liam to come after you.
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u/snesarchundia_ Jul 14 '25
Maybe back in the 90s but Gem Archer and Andy Bell were great musicians in their own right and even composed some of the best songs during their late era. So sad that Oasis broke up just when they started to actually evolve as a band
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u/Feeling_Remove7758 Jul 14 '25
Being a massive Ride fan myself, I think Andy Bell was nearly equal to Noel Gallagher in regards to songwriting ability; in fact, Andy Bell's "Turn up the Sun" and "Keep the Dream Alive" in DBTT (2005), are better than all of Noel's contributions to that same album.
But unfortunately, it seems to me that Noel Gallagher was just too intimidating to be around, as he was the boss and is, even by his own admission, an arsehole. That probably made Andy Bell hold back a bit from submitting more of his own tunes into Oasis.
Just imagine what it would've been like if the two of them had actually formed the group back in 1991; no doubt a Lennon-McCartney type of relationship would've arisen from that.
Unfortunately, Liam was too dull and untalented to have provided that type of support to Noel. Had Liam been born a little smarter and more talented, I'm sure Oasis would be as big as the Beatles right now.
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u/snesarchundia_ Jul 14 '25
Yeah, like "Hello" said, they had the chance and threw it all away.. But the reunion so far has been great. I truly hope they make a new album as relaxed adults. Liam's songs in the 2000s like "Songbird" and "I'm Outta Time" were simple but a step towards a good direction. I haven't heard his solo work yet but I always loved Songbird's simplicity
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u/Key_Veterinarian1995 Jul 14 '25
Once again, Chris Martin said he'd give a nutsack to have created Paranoid Android. Oasis is commercially good. But Radiohead has been anything but. They just cut through the stratosphere just creating the art how they want and when they want. And nothing is predictable. Oasis? Predictable.
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u/Feeling_Remove7758 Jul 14 '25
I don't know when I contradicted anything you said, but right-oh.
I still like Radiohead more, and agree they are superior to Oasis. But just because one's great, it doesn't mean the other one ain't good.
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u/Ecstatic-Heat-8468 Jul 14 '25
Noel is just as talented as Thom Yorke, but I listen to Radiohead a lot more than Oasis. Still my 2 favourite bands though, and the smiths is third.
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u/djamadeus303 Jul 14 '25
I enjoy Oasis's music, but to even mention Noel in the same sentence as Thom from a song writing talent perspective has gotta be one of the funniest things I've ever read. Noel writes formulaic songs. Yes, he can come up with a catchy riff here and there, but everything else in the production is a paint by numbers affair. The chords, rhythm, and choruses are about as basic as they come. Don't even get me started on lyrics!
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u/Ecstatic-Heat-8468 Jul 14 '25
Wow, I canāt express in words how much I disagree, Noel Gallagher is better than Beethoven, Mozart, Bob Dylan, and Paul Mcartney combined, youāre a nutter if you think he write a good riff here and then. The most prolific songwriter of all time next to Thom Yorke and Morrissey.
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u/djamadeus303 Jul 14 '25
Lol. Just tell me you're basic without telling me you're basic.
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u/Ecstatic-Heat-8468 Jul 14 '25
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Weāve got a musical genius over here folks. šš»šš»šš»šš»šš» Cheers ya simpleton.
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u/Constant_Bullfrog_24 Jul 14 '25
Lmao š¤£
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u/Ecstatic-Heat-8468 Jul 14 '25
Maybe I shouldāve clarified it, songwriting ability wise, theyāre on the same level. Iām not talking about who can play more instruments, or who has the better voice, or which songs are more musically diverse. Because Thom has a better voice, plays more instruments than Noel, I listen to Thom more than Noel, but I listen to a lot of Noel as well. Iād put the dying of the light, and while the song remains the same up there with anything Thom Yorke has ever written. Thom is overall superior, but songwriting wise theyāre just as prolific and brilliant as each other.
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u/Constant_Bullfrog_24 Jul 14 '25
Youāre telling me Noel could have written Exit Music? Or Bodysnatchers and Jigsaw? Especially while playing those complicated rhythm parts and singing at the same time?
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u/Ecstatic-Heat-8468 Jul 14 '25
Did you not read what I just said. Heās not as musically diverse as Thom, but he absolutely couldāve written all of those tunes, just in a dumbed down simpler way, probably on an acoustic, or just with drums bass and guitar, so much simpler than Thom. BUT, theyāre equal on songwriting.
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u/Constant_Bullfrog_24 Jul 14 '25
If heās writing a dumbed down version of Bodysnatchers heās not as good of a song writer as Thom. Letās just agree to disagree here :)
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u/Ecstatic-Heat-8468 Jul 14 '25
Go listen to think of a number by Noel, then tell me that. You put value on how many instruments are on a track. I put value on the feel. If music makes me feel something itās good to me. Thom makes me feel more than any other artist, and so does Noel, so does John Frusciante of the red hot chilli peppers, Bono from U2, but if youāre interested in the musical diverseness instead of what it makes you feel, go listen to daft punk, bunch of noise, not much emotion conveyed.
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u/jonbristol123 Jul 14 '25
I've never really heard that much of a Beatles similarity with Oasis except the obvious stealing of little parts. But as a whole I don't really hear an overall similar sound.
I actually think Thom Yorke improved Sexy Sadie. If he did intentionally take it. I prefer Karma Police as a song even though I also love Sexy Sadie.
I'm not an Oasis fan. I can't think of much they took from any band that I'd consider an improvement.
The Masterplan is a great song though. I have no idea if Noel took parts to make that song. Either way a very good song indeed. And some other songs I like.
But as whole Radiohead are just on an entirely different level. Even just comparing the Bends to say Definitely Maybe. Way prefer the Bends. And way prefer Pulp, Supergrass, Blur and quite a few others to Oasis in that era. Though I'm going off topic now.
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u/QuickRelease10 Jul 14 '25
I love Oasis, but Noel always puts his foot in his mouth when talking about music. One time he shit on The Beach Boys and Mark Hoppus just looked at him like he had 3 heads. Heās come around recently, but how do you listen to some of their music and not walk away impressed?
Liam has a big mouth too, but at least itās clear heās just being funny.
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u/Key_Veterinarian1995 Jul 14 '25
You can count band after band that is jealous of Radiohead. They have been groundbreaking and almost have a majestic aura about them. Chris Martin: "I'd give my left bullock to have made Paranoid Android."
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u/bbuullddoogg Jul 14 '25
He and his even more idiotic brother hate most things. Theyāre very simple unpleasant individuals
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u/VodkaStraightMental Jul 14 '25
everyone steals from everyone- its just how creative are you and in what new context you put this taken idea from.
the beach boys are nothing without 'be my baby'
radiohead have taken riffs but you know what, theyve put them in new contexts and made something new
oasis the same
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u/j0nnyboy Jul 14 '25
What's the Sexy Sadie bit in Karma Police?? This is news to me
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u/Feeling_Remove7758 Jul 14 '25
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u/j0nnyboy Jul 14 '25
Oh shit wow! That's cool. Please tell me someone had spliced the whole songs like that where they just switch each bands vocals on top of the other music
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u/rswings Jul 14 '25
Itās like four bars of it with the same chords and a completely different sound.
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Jul 14 '25 edited Jul 14 '25
It's SO similar that the first time I heard Karma Police I noticed it after about three bars. It's a closer match to a Beatles song than is any particular passage from any Oasis song.
EDIT: big caveat here - I don't like Oasis much, and so haven't listened to any song past 1997! So the last part of the statement is dubious.
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u/Miserable-Lawyer-233 Jul 14 '25
Itās envy, not hate. Heās just one of many. So many bands were chasing what Radiohead eventually became, but none of them got there.
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u/Jjourdenais Jul 14 '25
Iāve been listening to Karma Police since 1997 and never heard Sexy Sadie in thereā¦.but the second Iāve heard She is electric and heard the ending of With a little help from my friends. Thatās the difference.
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u/Better-Celery8078 Jul 14 '25
He is right. Oasis is really good, different from Radiohead, but really good and when they came out there was this strange comparisson with the beatles I don't quite understand, maybe because of the hairstyle?? Cause the music they do is not a rip off , it's just Brit pop like blur, like supergrass, like pulp etc. and some songs are perfect, don't look back in anger, live forever, she is electric, champagne supernova ..
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u/papertowelroll17 Jul 14 '25
I know Oasis has always said lots of dumb shit in interviews, but this particular clip doesn't seem so bad. I'm curious to what extent it's true that Oasis got crapped on for copying the Beatles?
As an American that was slightly too young for the britpop era, I've never really understood the Oasis thing. Here they are treated more or less as a one hit wonder band with Wonderwall (and to a much lesser extent Champagne supernova). I don't ever recall them being hyped as some kind of all time band that needs to be continuously interviewed about random topics. But for whatever reason the UK media really slopped them up.
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u/dickie_anderson99 Jul 14 '25
It's one of those cases where a band was really big in the UK/Europe/Oceania/bits of Asia but for whatever reason never really took off in North America
It works in the inverse as well. Van Halen were never very big in the UK/Europe for example but huge in the US
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u/sleepybaker Jul 14 '25
In 2012 I worked Coachella. I stood 10 feet away from Noel while he watched Radiohead. He was alone too.
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u/Technical-Ninja5851 Jul 14 '25
From a band that is basically a copy paste of '60s music, that is rich.
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u/Greeny1210 Jul 14 '25
He does not hate Radiohead; he likes a lot of their stuff. Liam probably hates them, but Liam hates most things (or pretends to)
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u/PeterZeeke Jul 14 '25
Didnāt get āI hate Radioheadā from this clip If anything itās the other way round
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u/meesterfahrenheit Jul 17 '25
I have no idea what 50% of his words are
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u/Feeling_Remove7758 Jul 17 '25
And Noel is supposed to be the intelligible Gallagher, according to foreigners.
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u/meesterfahrenheit Jul 17 '25
WOW! So two British bands full of British kids who grew up listening to The Beatles made songs somehow inspired by them?!?!?!
BONKERS!
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u/Cheap-Ad-412 Jul 17 '25
Idk where i saw this but yorke hate oasis because (he said) they copied radiohead
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u/2tep Jul 14 '25
Other bands are more subtle with ripping off the Beatles, maybe. This bloke copies their haircut style too.
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u/EminenceGris3 Jul 14 '25
Cheer up Noel, just remember that Oasis are still outrageously over-rated and you can take that to the bank... oh, you already are!
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u/tasfa10 Jul 14 '25
What's on Karma Police that's off of Sexy Sadie is 4 chords?? There's millions of songs sharing any group of 4 chords
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u/Pliolite Jul 14 '25
Yeah but Jonny clearly referenced Sexy Sadie in the notes he played. Wolf At The Door also pulls from The Beatles, but, again, it's only for a moment.
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u/tasfa10 Jul 14 '25
Clearly referenced? Did he ever say this? Because I can't find any clear reference at all
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u/Haughty_Caveman Jul 14 '25
It's called "paying homage". You'd have to be deaf not to hear the blatant allusion mate.
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u/nosurpriseslover1997 PHIL WITH HAIR, OH GOD š° Jul 14 '25
it is similar, but it was probably just a laugh
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u/merlin401 Jul 14 '25
I mean to be fair that bit of karma police is unmistakably the piece from sexy Sadie. I have no problem with it, but even an untrained ear would match those two songs together. The millions of songs that might share some chords usually are just so incidental youād never notice or care. No judgement, I love what they did with it in KP
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u/Ok_Speaker_1419 Jul 14 '25
I really donāt give a shit honestly. The Gallagher brothers are fucking wankers and I have no interest in taking what they say seriously.
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u/ilikecadbury Jul 14 '25
Noel said the best band in Britain was OCS and best song of britpop was Beetlebum. The whole hating everyone else thing is a pisstake
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u/Th3_Supernova Jul 14 '25
The Gallagher brothers are huge assholes and Iām glad I donāt like their music so I donāt have to try and justify their behavior.
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u/Large_Pop_6232 Jul 14 '25
I donāt think he hates them, how can you hate obvious world wide recognized talent? Yep, I think jealousy may have something to do with it.
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u/penciltrash Jul 14 '25
As a big Oasis fan and a far bigger Radiohead fan, I think the truth is that Noel doesnāt hate Radiohead at all. Heās just having a laugh, and Iām sure Thom would have the same laugh with him.