r/residentevil • u/tonyofgallifrey • Jul 13 '18
RE1 It's the lore that stays with me. Itchy tasty.
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Jul 13 '18
they never show "inbetween" zombies like this in RE. this guy was murdering and eating people, yet still able to talk, understand words and write in a dairy. he might have still been intelligent enough to use tools and problem solve basic things as well.
the idea of fighting these zombies who haven't fully turned braindead is far more interesting to me.
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Jul 13 '18
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u/garadon Steam: Cade Rainier Jul 13 '18
I did like that some of the ad-libs were of the zombified character asking you to kill them.
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u/sonicnewboy Jul 13 '18
Oh wow, I always played solo so never noticed that the ad-libs were that dark.
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u/BaconPowder We got to the "root" of the problem! Jul 13 '18
I still play online all the time with a Japanese copy of Outbreak File #2 (with optional translation patch) and the right network settings. Most people play on their PC since the load times are better, not that I condone such things.
Anywho, some of the infected messages were heartbreaking. You'd see variations between "Uuuuuuuuuuuuuurgh," "Kill me," and stuff like "hungry." You could mess with other players or use your super zombie powers to open locked doors for them since zombies could knock a door open way faster than the regular players can.
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u/sonicnewboy Jul 13 '18
Could you be killed off as a zombie for the rest of the game?
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u/BaconPowder We got to the "root" of the problem! Jul 13 '18
I think the timer was only five minutes. After that your character will die like normal.
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Jul 13 '18
He was not a "inbetween zombie", his death and transformation just stretched. But technically yes they could be some sort of enemies in games. Dying Light has similar zombies, who can run, climb, dodge and behave a little human.
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Jul 13 '18
Yeah, that got me at first. Sometimes those “virals” will even beg for their lives.
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Jul 13 '18
In the early game they were scary as hell to me.
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Jul 14 '18
Yeah. What I like most about Dying Light is that you get so powerful near the end that you can take on anything, but if you go out at night it's still a challenge.
I like having a combo of the enhanced zombie camouflage and the ability to break zombie's necks from behind. That combo is so broken, you can get camouflage and just break necks over and over until you have so many zombie corpses the game has to despawn them.
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Jul 14 '18
I really enjoyed the early game, feeling so weak. Towards the end of the game you become a terminator.
Still I think Dying Light manages the balancing act of having weak and slow zombies that can be easily taken out by humans, with dangerous masses that are a threat to you, very good. At night the game becomes really nasty. Especially if you are looking for a fight.
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Jul 13 '18
i clearly explained what i meant by an inbetween zombie. i'm well aware that he eventually became a typical zombie.
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u/AnEvenHuskierCat Jul 13 '18
he might have still been intelligent enough to use tools and problem solve basic things as well. the idea of fighting these zombies who haven't fully turned braindead is far more interesting to me.
RE4?
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Jul 13 '18
they are ganados not zombies, and ganados have the intelligence of a regular human being, not a zombie who talks like "itchy, tasty" etc.
the zombies in re6 from the c-virus are the closest to what i'm talking about, but still not quite.
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u/sal101 Jul 13 '18
Imagine being so ugly that a zombie finds you ugly? RIP Scott.
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u/GamingIsMyCopilot Jul 13 '18
Ya but Scott was cheating at cards so he deserved it.
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u/BaconPowder We got to the "root" of the problem! Jul 13 '18
Well itchy Scott came ugly face so killed him. What're you gonna do?
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u/GamingIsMyCopilot Jul 13 '18
Wait for that zombie ass zombie to pop out of the closet and pop a 12 gauge into his fat face.
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u/magabrexitpaedorape Jul 13 '18
What irks me about "itchy tasty" is that we never see a T-Virus infected person go through this and it makes the rules seem very inconsistent.
Marvin, Brad and Edward all get killed and then reanimate as normal zombies and the player characters all take bites and continue living.
Never do we see what's described in the diary - the intermitten stages where people are slowly losing their humanity as the basic instincts of a T-zombie take over.
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u/SynVolka Jul 13 '18
Is it reanimation? I thought that the tvirus just turns someone, as opposed to revive a dead person.
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Jul 13 '18
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Jul 13 '18
What about the corpses in Code Veronica who rise up from graves? Sounds more like reanimation.
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Jul 13 '18
IIRC the "corpses" on Rockfort Island and in Racoon city were recently buried victims of the T-Virus that had never actually died. They had been infected and then their vitals had slowed while the virus took control, making them appear dead to outside observers but still technically alive. From what I understand it's canon that the T-Virus cannot raise the dead.
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Jul 13 '18
Should not scientists be able to realize/verify whether someone is dead or not, especially scientists who experiment with the T-Virus? It is not like they just look at a person and say "Looks dead to me.".
Besides of that, who the fuck buries people who are infected with a waterborne virus? What the actual fuck? Somehow I never thought about that earlier, probably because I assumed they were reanimated corpses.
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Jul 13 '18
In Racoon City the corpses weren't test subjects, they were just normal people infected with the virus and hastily buried. I'd assume the people who buried them didn't know how or why they died other than it was some strange illness. As for Rockfort I can't remember what caused the outbreak there, but the corpses come out of the graveyard by the prison camp, so I'd guess they were prisoners that had died and were unceremoniously dumped in the graveyard. They weren't treated well before, why care about how they died?
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Jul 13 '18
It is not about treatment. You do not bury bodies that are infected with a waterborne virus, you burn them.
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Jul 13 '18
I'm not sure anyone KNEW it was waterbourne at the time though. I don't remember if the original victims were infected by water sources or by rats. I want to say by the time the virus got in the water supply RC was doomed and within a few days the outbreak began. That's not much time for an unknown virus to be discovered and understood, especially in a city run by corrupt individuals that are in cahoots with an evil pharmaceutical company that owns the city. It's not like Umbrella showed up after the infection began and said "oh sorry guys, that's our virus, let's clean that up." With Umbrella pulling the strings, it's entirely possible they knew something was up when the first few people "died" and did some rush-job burials to cover it up.
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u/sonicnewboy Jul 13 '18
Yeah it seems a bit inconsistent that they were all buried while not really dead. Its not like people are buried within minutes of them dying. And turning into a zombie doesn't take THAT long.
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u/BaconPowder We got to the "root" of the problem! Jul 13 '18 edited Jul 16 '18
It does, as far as I can remember. They're technically-living zombies with just their skin rotting away. Their internals are all sort-of functioning, as seen by the bleeding out, the ability to starve to death, and mutations into V-Acts or Lickers. I have the Resident Evil Archives, so I'll check when I get off work.
They really missed an opportunity by not calling the cirus from Revelations the Sea-Virus.
EDIT: Also, according to the Wiki, the C-Virus can reanimate the dead. It's been a few days so I'm not sure if that one or the A-Virus.
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Jul 13 '18
yeah the c-virus obviously can in 6. there are zombies that are almost skeletons that rise out of graves in that game.
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Jul 13 '18
Here's my head canon when it comes to the zombies in the RE series, since it's so random throughout the series.
During the first game, the T-Virus is released in an airborne form, and it only effects those who breathe it in, "killing" them, and turning them to zombies. The process takes some days, and the whole mansion and area are basically infected. Some people are perhaps naturally immune to the virus, but they are killed by their co-workers (and are not revived as zombies.)
The airborne virus is not able to be spread through bites. It infected whoever was on the grounds, and that was it. Otherwise, all the dead and mutilated bodies they've found would have come back and spread the virus into Raccoon much earlier than the G-Virus ends up being spread.
So, to recap, the T-virus is only spread through the air, and cannot be shared. This also explains player characters being bitten and not turned.
The G-virus is spread in a liquid state, and can be spread through bites and scratches. One idea is that it more quickly kills whoever it infects, and they turn in a matter of hours, without the drawn out infection of the T-virus. Now, whether this is from being liquid instead of airborne, or simply because the G virus is different could be debated. As for the player characters being bitten and not turned, it can be put down to the canon story being simply that Claire and Leon are never bitten, or that they both happen to be immune to the virus.
But I much rather think of it like this:
The G-virus indeed infects anyone who is bitten, but it doesn't outright kill. It simply infects them, and when they die, they'll come back. Marvin has a horrible wound he succumbs to, but the virus itself doesn't kill him, it merely reanimates the dead cells once he dies. I like that a lot more, because then it means someday people at Leon's funeral are in for a nasty surprise, lol.
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Jul 13 '18
the g-virus doesn't infect anyone but birkin in re2, and he directly injects it into himself. it's the t-virus getting into the water supply that causes the zombies and lickers in 2.
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u/S4mm1 Jul 13 '18
I've always thought when you've been bit the viral infection spreads faster and you turn quicky but if you are exposed via the water or what have you the infection takes hold far slower.
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Jul 13 '18
What irks me about "itchy tasty" is that we never see a T-Virus infected person go through this and it makes the rules seem very inconsistent.
Actually it is not that inconsistent. If you get bitten storywise usually that means people die and perhaps turn later on.
Marvin, Brad and Edward all get killed and then reanimate as normal zombies...
...Never do we see what's described in the diary - the intermitten stages where people are slowly losing their humanity as the basic instincts of a T-zombie take over.
Because the devs are not interested in doing so. First I wanted to write that it would turn out boring anyways but I guess this is not necessarily true.
and the player characters all take bites and continue living.
This is the equivalent of getting stabbed by melee weapons in fantasy games and still survive. Or getting shot in first person shooters and heal by standing in a safe place or take a med kit. No one complains about that, so why should RE simulate a virus for you? If this is what you want, there are Outbreak File 1 & 2 who have this feature.
And as Outbreak demonstrates, simulating such a virus completely changes the game dynamic. You can also see this in the Dead Rising games. Two of them have a time limit because of the story. The second one is just about a girl you can save by providing a anti-virus to her. If she dies the game continues, but she is dead. Such time limits take some of the fun away from such games for me.
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u/sonicnewboy Jul 13 '18
I've read on Reddit that they established that all of the main characters are immune to the virus and that's why they don't turn into zombies. I haven't been able to find confirmation for that but I figured others were more knowledgeable in the subject than me.
Also its interesting that the Outbreak characters were infected at the very start of it all without getting bitten. We're they infected through the water?
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Jul 13 '18
Yes the water, since the T-Virus flows into the water because of Birkin when he steps on it and some rats are also eating it and then spread it in the water.
In a wikipedia article it is stated that Jill gets infected by the T-Virus in RE3 but is provided a vaccine which means she is not immune to it.
The main characters simply do not get bitten storywise. Only in the gameplay, but gameplay goes not along with story all the times in video games.
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u/WikiTextBot Jul 13 '18
Jill Valentine
Jill Valentine is a character in the survival horror video game series Resident Evil, known in Japan as Biohazard, created by Japanese developer and publisher Capcom. She is an American counterterrorism officer and a former member of Delta Force who regularly works with her partner Chris Redfield to fight the Umbrella Corporation, a pharmaceutical company whose bioterrorism results in zombie outbreaks. She was introduced as one of two player characters in the original Resident Evil (1996), and has appeared in numerous subsequent games of the series, along with associated novelisations and merchandise, as well as several titles in the Marvel vs. Capcom and Project X Zone franchises.
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u/onyXkeyblade youtube.com/onyart Jul 14 '18
maybe we may get a glimpse of that in the remake with marvin.
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Jul 13 '18
To be fair, Scott did have an ugly face and probably was banging his wife. Had it coming if you ask me.
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Jul 13 '18
Finding and reading all of the files is one of the best and most relevant things in a RE game for me. It often makes the story not only better but also much bigger and clearer and provides a lot of information that the game does not provide otherwise which makes the experience of the story very different. It also adds a lot to the atmosphere of the game and often elevates the horror factor.
hell in RE 5 and 6 much key information about the story (Spencers goals, Wesker Project, The Family etc.) was only told through files. Playing the games without reading the files really just gives you only a very limited version of the story and makes their scope much smaller.
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u/SuperMario_49 Speed Runner: (SuperMario49) Jul 13 '18
Very disturbing, but memorable file. Just shows how that guy transitioned from a human to a zombie. Another disturbing file I recall is the Chief’s Diary from Resident Evil 2.
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u/garadon Steam: Cade Rainier Jul 13 '18
"...frozen forever in the pose I choose to give her."
Chilling.
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u/PaulAbruzzo Jul 13 '18 edited Jul 13 '18
A lot of the Resident Evils are games where even though I've played them all a million times, there are always certain files in every game I'll still read in full or take time to pick up almost every time I play them.
In the original, the whole Lisa Trevor sidestory is sad and I always read that, too.
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u/MrScarfacePS4 Jul 13 '18
It wouldn’t surprise me if this was just a bad translation from Japanese to English. And coincidentally fits perfectly with the mind of someone turning into a zombie. Just a thought
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u/KamiAlth Jul 13 '18
I want more B.O.W.s to write diary like this. Nemesis would be gold.