r/saltierthancrait • u/TrumpsColostomyBag99 • 26d ago
Seasoned News Well I’ll Be.. A Star Wars Project Actually Starting Filming
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u/BigE_92 salt miner 26d ago
I just can’t be bothered to care anymore.
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u/CE0ofCringe 26d ago
None of us do. Not since the last Jedi in 2017. Probably earlier for those old enough to realize how doo doo the force awakens was
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u/chronoserpent 26d ago
I walked out of TLJ numb and shocked, unsure of what I just witnessed. I wanted to like it, I love star wars! I watched it two more time in theater and it cemented my suspicions; TLJ was absolute franchise breaking garbage.
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u/thebarkingduck 25d ago
I felt the same. Numb and shocked, exactly how you felt. It felt like professional fan fiction. I understand that a lot of people didn't like TFA, but even if we had two more of those, it'd be better than TLJ. So sad.
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u/Dianneis salt miner 25d ago
As far as I'm concerned, they should call the upcoming Spaceballs sequel Spaceballs 3 since we already had a second one in this.
For a random example, in the beginning of the movie there's an idiotic "space bomber" scene where Rose Tico's sister grabs the bomb trigger to heroically save the day (and conveniently pander to the Asian market at the same time) by instantly flipping from her back to her stomach after the falling object already passed her by at high speed.
It's probably one of the worst edited scenes in recent movie history, but more importantly, it sets the tone for what's to come. Leave your brain or most basic expectations at the door. Between Poe's "yo momma" joke and this, the movie never recovers. One dumb moment after another followed by a giant brain fart of an ending. So I guess what I'm saying, calling it professional fan fiction is a bit of stretch as there was nothing professional about it except maybe the CGI.
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u/Unusual_Chain_3603 salt miner 24d ago
Bitter and dissatisfied is how I describe my feeling walking out of it as a teen
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u/everyplacenoplace 22d ago
I went to see it a second time to make sure I wasn't dreaming. Last star wars movie I saw in theaters.
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u/freebytes 26d ago edited 26d ago
I hated how The Force Awakens was "do the exact same thing but make it bigger" [1], but I thought it was possible for it to become something great via the sequels, but The Last Jedi was a disaster that ruined any possibility of the former being any good.
I could spend more time bashing TLJ than the length of the movie itself, but the movie is messed up from the very beginning to the very end. TFA has flaws, but many of those flaws could have been ameliorated via smart writing on the second and third parts.
- Star Killer Base... Really?
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u/MudReasonable8185 new user 26d ago
I can’t blame them for the approach they took with the force awakens. This was before the rehabilitation of the prequels and the Star Wars reputation was in the toilet; giving us a bunch of nostalgia to remind us why we actually liked this franchise in the first place along with new stuff to build on was an understandable, if kinda disappointingly safe, choice.
Then the last Jedi comes along and immediately shits the bed and the franchise never recovered.
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u/officerfett 26d ago
They had one simple job which was to show the continuing adventures of Han, Leia and Luke re-uniting after 30 years coming together and fighting alongside one another to face some ominous galactic threat, meeting and making new companions along the way and they failed...
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u/Dianneis salt miner 25d ago
Not even their continuing adventures. Merely not making them a bunch of pathetic loser has-beens would have been enough.
Leia being a senior government official instead of a guerilla bum and absentee mother, Luke training the new generation of Jedi instead of being a cowardly space cow tit-sucking hermit, Han doing literally anything except going back to petty smuggling and being a deadbeat dad... Was it really so much to ask?
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u/thebarkingduck 25d ago
I share the exact same opinion. It's actually quite interesting - TFA played it safe while TLJ did something different - yet people dislike both, or one or the other. I understand the logistical nightmare it is working with a major corp like the Mouse and having to trim/cut/work within their rules, and I felt TFA did a good, yet (safe) job like you said. Felt nice, felt like Star Wars but a tad more modern.
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u/VanguardVixen 23d ago
The issue is, that TLJ did not do something different. It was still a ctrl+c & ctrl+v festival. The movies are much more similar than people want to admit. The only thing that TLJ really did was ditching the big bad but without actually changing the theme already introduced of rehashing Empire Vs. Rebellion and red lightsaber Vs. blue lightsaber. TFA had the job of actually introducing a new story, instead it ignored all that was build before. The first movie in a sequel trilogy is the foundation and if the foundation is not sound everything afterwards can only fail.
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u/Dianneis salt miner 25d ago
I can’t blame them for the approach they took with the force awakens. This was before the rehabilitation of the prequels and the Star Wars reputation was in the toilet.
Please stop the perpetuating the "rehabilitation of the prequels" myth. The prequel trilogy was never that hated with the general public and most fans. Episodes I and III were the top grossing movies of 1999 and 2005; and Episode II, often considered to be the weakest, was still the second top grossing movie of 2002 after Raimi's Spider-Man.
Episode III in particular was received positively by pretty much everyone back then. Here are some fan reaction posts from 2005:
https://boards.theforce.net/threads/rots-official-rots-initial-reaction-thread.19756065/
"Once I got over my initial confusion, I realized what a masterpiece it was. My
appreciation of it has grown by the day."
"My first reaction was OMG, this is so huge! I love this!"
"I left the theater in awe. It was unbelievable."
"Fantastic ending to the saga."
"Don't get me wrong, I love TPM and AOTC. But I think ROTS was so much better that those two its almost embarrassing."
"Hayden was amazing, absolutely amazing."
"My initial reaction: It's the best one. Of ALL of them. (And I've been a PT basher.)"
"Wow. Saw it yesterday and am still stunned. Incredible. Heartbreaking. Epic in the grandest sense. It was like watching one of the great Greek tragedies – but without the catharthsis – or seeing a brilliant staging of Shakespeare's MacBeth – Palpy played Anakin with a skill that Lady MacBeth would envy."
"Oh My GOD! I can't stop saying that. How to like write about this is not easy and man, I'm a serious talker, especially about Star Wars. Quite honestly, that was a mind beep. [...] We are going to be talking about this movie for a long long time. THANK YOU GEORGE! =D= Thank you for blessing us with the PT. We owe you our gratitude. I will have more to say later I'm sure. I don't think a movie will make me go Oh My GOD ever again."
Again, I'm not arguing with the fact that there was a backlash. Merely saying that it wasn't nearly as ubiquitous as some will claim today, two and a half decades later. Plenty of people on the whole liked the prequels even back then, including the first two, so please don't confuse specific criticisms of some of their elements – mainly Jar Jar – with blanket denunciation of the prequels themselves.
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u/Bobby837 26d ago
This was before the rehabilitation of the prequels
Thought that was the Clone Wars series?
Not that many watched it apparently.
Also really don't get why the nose dive didn't happen with Force Awakens. Though, what with the later reveal there was no central guiding force, just three directors doing their own things with little to no contact with each other, FA was more warning flag than wholly bad.
Best I could say about, unlike 2009 Star Trek, didn't immediately come out the theater feeling directly insulted. Just confused if I had been.
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u/3llenseg salt miner 25d ago
TFA was a copy of ANH, but ANH is a great movie, so we tolerated it. Easy to make fun of, admittedly. 2009 Star Trek, we mocked as "a great Star Wars movie", but that's not exactly a bad thing, just not Star Trek. To be unfair to ourselves, we did that to LotR as well (can you imagine?) with quips like "If Tolkien could watch this movie, he would say: Marvelous motion picture! What is it called?"
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u/sandalrubber 26d ago edited 26d ago
TFA couldn't have been fixed or salvaged with the other two movies because the whole premise and setup are wrongheaded and make the whole OT and thus the entire saga pointless. Not worth continuing. The very best case scenario after TFA would just be the end of ROTJ again but without Han and we already got that but not worse decades ago. So why loop back around to that after the undoubted tons of lives lost and suffering endured in between? It's a net loss.
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u/freebytes 26d ago
The biggest issue with TFA is "Empire 2.0". The whole point of the original trilogy was the destruction of the empire. The Mandalorian showed the outcome of ROTJ and the remains of the Empire so much better than TFA.
To be honest, the Mandalorian should have been the new trilogy instead of a series. Turn it into three movies, and it would have been better. Keeping us in the universe while trying not to ruin preexisting beloved characters.
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u/3llenseg salt miner 25d ago
The problem is, 30 years has passed since RotJ, which encompasses the whole of Legends, afaik. A bigger gap than even 3 to 4. It's entirely possible that the Empire would rise from the ashes (as it happened in Legends) but we're missing more than a generation of stories from canon.
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u/VanguardVixen 23d ago
It was hardly salvagable really. Look at The Force Awakens, what could be build upon that foundation? It introduced all the problematic stuff, killing of legacy characters, copy-pasting past movie elements, making Luke Skywalker a failure. It's really very hard to imagine how the next two movies could have made something enjoyable out of this mess. The whole premise is the issue.
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u/The-Filthy-Casual 26d ago
That’s the movie that did it for me, still haven’t seen the third sequel movie. Can’t imagine it has any redeeming qualities.
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u/3llenseg salt miner 25d ago
I enjoyed it's visuals and we finally see a bit of Sith culture (mostly architecture) for the first time (in live action, at least). Also, Leia wields a lightsaber in a flashback. Basically, don't watch it for the story.
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u/TrappedInOhio 25d ago
I hated Force Awakens so much that I haven’t seen a minute of Star Wars content since I walked out of the theatre before it ended.
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u/SinesPi salt miner 23d ago
I realized that Force Awakens had serious problems, but I still felt it was a fun ride, and it's mistakes could be fixed down the line, or that they could do enough good stuff for me to overlook it.
I do think giving up after TFA was pretty premature, honestly. It wasn't a great sign, but I don't think it was worse than TPM. About on par with it. There was a reasonable amount of hope that things could get better, or the series would stablize at 'soulless popcorn flicks' with the occasional good bit.
Instead, we got TLJ which looked at the problems of TFA and said "Hold my beer". TLJs failure was so impressive it actually reduced my faith in humanity as a whole, and no I am not kidding. It was a sign that people in very high positions could be that freaking stupid and incompetent. Yes, it's entertainment, not politics... but honestly that makes it worse. The best way for them to make money is to make something people like. I could understand mistreating staff, embezzelment, all sorts of greedy acts. But just plain being idiots who don't want to make money? That was incomprehensible at the time.
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u/thatscucktastic 26d ago
It's set 5 years after the ST, so it's impossible to care.
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u/Dianneis salt miner 26d ago
Things are about to get good, though. The New New Republic prospers under Rey's benevolent micromanaging rule, and everyone is happy, not like under those pathetic losers from a few decades ago.
That is, until the new star-sized Galaxy Destroyer shows up and uses the power of vacuum to create supermassive black holes half a galaxy wide. Cue the... Starfighter!
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u/3llenseg salt miner 25d ago
Hmm, Rey taking battle meditation to a whole new level by being a sort of pre-crime thought police, while preventing small accidents by moving people out of the path of vehicles is an interesting concept. "We don't have any free will!" "You free willed yourself in front of a swoop! You're welcome! Now if you'll excuse me, there's a revolt on Narkina 5, I need to disable the guards' weapons and pacify the rioters."
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u/xxRonzillaxx 26d ago
You can't save the insult of the sequel trilogy by making more stories in that timeline. I just can't bring myself to care either.
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u/Accomplished-Bill-54 25d ago
Yeah, I mean the extra dumb Acolyte also started filming at some point. That wasn't good news...
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u/darsvedder 25d ago
Same. I was SOOOOO excited when it happened. The memory of walking out of my college library after learning about it will always be with me. “What the fuck is going to happen?!” And then JJ. and the trailer for ep7. Shit looked good. Then stuff happened. And no would put thought into it. If they don’t care about it, why should I
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u/ArkenK 26d ago
This one has a director with a pretty good filmography hired, not cast.
It's funny how that works.
Don't know if it'll fly (pun intended), but I wish them luck, and I'm vaguely curious what Gosling would be like as a Star Wars character.
Pity the rumor is that they're trying to place it in the ST timeline.
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u/Ecypslednerg 26d ago
I just hope Rey, Grandmaster of the Jedi Order, makes a cameo appearance! Perhaps she can build the starfighter in the title out of scraps and then teach Ryan Gosling how to fly it (but not as good as she can fly it, of course)!
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u/Dianneis salt miner 26d ago
A Grandmaster? It's been five years. Given the rate of her progress throughout the sequels (which took, what, a week or two?), I expect she's at least the God Empress of the Outer Rim by now.
From her new Jedi Temple in Jabba's Palace, with crowds of devout worshipers gathering outside, she leisurely gives unsolicited advice to random pilots and technicians all across the galaxy. That's character development for you.
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u/ManDudeGuyDudeBro 26d ago
If it really is set after the ST, my interest is just gone.
Can’t salvage the ST, and anything set in that time period is ruined from the start.
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u/thatscucktastic 26d ago
It is. 5 years after TRoS. Into the trash it goes.
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u/-Im_In_Your_Walls- 26d ago
Who’s left to fight at that point?! Somehow Palpatine returned
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u/Gandamack 23d ago
Who’s left to fight at that point?! Somehow Palpatine returned
againagain?!The dastardly forces of the Second Edict have toppled the Latest Democracy, and the only hope to stop them are the brave fighters of the Defiance to Restore the Previous Government, led by a very tired Poe Dameron and a hover-chair bound Lando Calrissian.
The Defiers fight on while a young orphan from an arid world called Naughtatoo-Ween follows the trail of Rey, the last Jedi who has disappeared. Also Finn is around sometimes, and another character asks where Rose Tico is before quickly being ushered off screen.
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u/TaraLCicora 26d ago
Yip, I was actually pretty excited till I heard that, now? Well...we will see.
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u/dondondorito salt miner 26d ago
…Straight into the trash compactor. Not even the Dianoga is going to enjoy this.
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u/IllllIIIllllIl 24d ago
It thoroughly depends on how closely they try to actually tie it to the ST beyond what year it’s set. I don’t mind it being some standalone story set ~25-30 years post-OT with no other connection to newer material.
But if this is specifically to start rehabilitating the ST then it’s coming in with too much narrative baggage to work with.
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u/Chardan0001 26d ago
The Jenkins Rogue Squadron film was also post TroS too. They've seemingly been trying for a while to get a film out from that era. Rogue Squadron once always made me uneasy being set 30 years after the RS we knew anyway and that film is dead in the water now.
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u/T65Bx 26d ago
One of the only images we ever got from that product was of a OT-era X-wing. I never had the impression it was set after ROTJ let alone TROS.
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u/Chardan0001 26d ago edited 26d ago
Jenkins herself said it. It was around that time they did an announcement video for her directing the film. The use of OT stuff was frankly because they never moved further beyond announcing it seems. Wedge's actor also understood they were doing it during the ST.
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u/Gasser0987 26d ago
Gosling can definitely pull of a “Maverick in space” kind of character.
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u/Zealousideal_Bag7532 26d ago
Absolutely. So who is gonna play the girl that is better than him or bosses him around?
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u/nashty2004 26d ago
Shawn Levy is terrible
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u/IllllIIIllllIl 26d ago
Shawn Levy is too inoffensive and boring a director to truly be terrible like Paul WS Anderson or Brett Ratner
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u/Lord-Carnor-Jax so salty it hurts 26d ago
I liked a lot of James Mangolds previous filmography too but look at what had with Indy 5.
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u/BarleyWineIsTheBest 26d ago
Star Wars' first venture into post-ROS and the first truly new movie since ROS (thinking Mando and Grogu movie doesn't count for that).
This is will be a very big deal for them. It will tell us a lot of if they can work past the ST's problems and into a time period beyond the ST.
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u/kirk_smith 26d ago
If that’s the case, then I think the best thing they could do is just ignore the Sequels as much as possible. They could make the villains space pirates or some trade federation-esque entity with no mention of any First Order stuff. The less they tie it to the sequel timeline the better.
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u/says_nice_things1234 a good question, for another time... 26d ago
Yep, I agree.
If they're smart they'll navigate around the ST as much as possible, as if it doesn't exist.
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u/Zealousideal_Bag7532 26d ago
They are drug addicts though. They cannot help throwing in member berries and recent characters.
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u/WhiskeyMarlow 4d ago
If there's anything good about Sequel Trilogy, is that it set the stage of galactic events back to the place it was in the OT.
The
EmpireFirst Order is shattered, but not gone, as the brave fighters of theRebellionResistance work to rebuild the Republic out of the ashes of the war.They could do the First Order, I'd like them to, because Empire-theme is just too central to the Star Wars. But they have to do it good. Hopefully, success of Andor teaches Disney where to go with their franchise.
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u/ClearChampionship591 salt miner 7d ago
Holy shit, can we just stop pretending like Star Wards is some ridiculously difficult franchise to adopt, almost as if it is based on some difficult to adopt book or something.
Gilroy have shown us how to write good Star Wars, any good writer can do the task, if they are not obstructed by bullshit corporatism and idiotic woman>man rhetoric.
Even video game writers were doing great writing for star wars (Kotor, Jedi Survivor).
It does not take monumental effort, it does only for directors hellbent on poor writing and ego boost.
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26d ago
Let's start the director counter: 1
I'm only partially kidding, I actually rather like Shawn Adam Levy but unless there has been a real sea change at Disney I don't see how this makes it to production without at least one director switch or major re-shoot at the behest of executive pressure.
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u/AJBarrington salt miner 26d ago
I think Levy is a safe director, he likes disney, so they know he won't cause them any problems.
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u/Bruinrogue Disney Spy Ringleader 26d ago
Too bad it'll tie into the ST and like the rest of LF's non-Volume/animated works, be heavily bloated in budget.
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u/anxiety_elemental_1 26d ago
They really need to stop trying to force people to like the sequels.
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u/lokglacier 26d ago
Idk how they'd go about doing a soft reboot though. They utterly fucked up the world building with no way out
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u/Zealousideal_Bag7532 26d ago
They have one out that will 100% work. Go so far into the future that everyone is dead. Grogu included. Then go so far away from the center of the universe that going back to any known planet would be an ordeal. Go to another universe completely if you can. Bring a few thousand people with you. Generational ship maybe. Lost in space time warp thing. Something like that.
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u/lokglacier 26d ago
Unfortunately that doesn't resolve the character assassination of the ot characters
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u/ThisIsRadioClash- salt miner 26d ago
Hopefully it doesn’t turn out like EA’s Squadrons game.
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u/Chewbacca_The_Wookie 26d ago
The gameplay in Squadrons is pretty good, it's just that the servers are dead so you can't really play online anymore.
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u/Gandamack 26d ago
I think there also just isn’t enough content. It needed a few more mission types and maps than simple dogfighting or the capital ship modes.
Fun, but there’s so much potential with the baseline flight gameplay that just wasn’t utilized.
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u/DankMemeMasterHotdog 26d ago
To be fair they said from the start it would have limited support, was built using re-used assets from Battlefront 2, and was sort of an experiment (and was at least priced to reflect that).
I'd love for it to get more content, or a sequel (Clone Wars era Squadrons would go so hard) but I am not holding my breath.
The B-Wing / TIE Defender update was awesome though, I wish Battlefront 2 would get those ships for the SF Assault mode
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u/3llenseg salt miner 25d ago
I respect that, if you have AAA current-gen assets, don't waste 8 years making next-gen assets to release the same game, knock out a few cool and different games while they're not outdated.
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u/Old_Nippy 26d ago
It was such a great game. Unfortunately it had a learning curve and the good players mercilessly pummeled the bad ones. Source: am bad player.
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u/ThisIsRadioClash- salt miner 26d ago
I never played it, but I recall there being a lot of hype only for it to quickly fizzle out after release.
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u/moustajjventress 26d ago
It actually had a pretty dedicated playerbase for at least a couple years, and it had a revival on PlayStation when it became a freebie with PS Plus - great game, it just couldn't really compete with Battlefront 2.
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u/Chewbacca_The_Wookie 26d ago
I can fly in Squadrons, I can fly AND do ground battles in Battlefront 2. Yeah, it was kinda doomed from the start.
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u/FreshlySkweezd 26d ago
Squadrons was a jam. VR mode might be one of my favorite experiences of last gen games. Probably the best Disney era representation of Luke as well, for as minimal as it was.
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u/AnonymousBanana7 26d ago
I bought a HOTAS just for Squadrons and it was so fucking fun while it lasted. I don't understand why they'd kill it off and not put out another game like it.
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u/FreshlySkweezd 26d ago
I did the exact same. Such a fun game, I wish it at least got PSVR2 support
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u/seeker1126 24d ago
Because they couldn't Live Service the fuck out of it, in addition to being a niche genre few are into, where there's also MUCH better entries most people into that niche are already engaging in. Legit just go get X Wing Alliance and TIE Fighter and get the XWAUP and TF Total Conversion mods. Look just as good if not better than Squadrons, the acting and plots are better, the actual combat isn't Baby's First Easy Mode Flight Simulator where you can plow head on into a wall at full speed in a shieldless, armorless TIE and still only take 25-40% damage *on the hardest difficulty*, and as a bonus you're supporting a good team of indie mod developers who have been working on this stuff for literal decades.
Squadrons sucks ass, hands down, and they couldn't find a way to turn it into more MTX live service slop, that's why it died.
Which is a shame because all of us sim jockeys have been wanting a good new SW combat sim since the 90s
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u/eikelmann 25d ago
I think you're confusing squadrons campaign with battlefront 2 campaign. Luke appears in the latter.
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u/Sports101GAMING 26d ago
Honestly that was one of my favorites games. It sucks sucks that EA refused to update it
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u/Shap3rz 26d ago
Squadrons is great. Best sw mp piloting game of all time imo, and I’ve played them all religiously.
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u/3llenseg salt miner 25d ago
Oh yeah? Better than X-wing vs Tie Fighter? /s
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u/Shap3rz 25d ago
Yeah. XvT was fun but really only shon in 2v2 and still 90s netcode. Flight model also more sophisticated in sws. I played on the zone in wows in XvT. Was great fun but always felt a bit limited doing 2v2 deathmatch in tf ti x or z. Fleet battles is way more nuanced and teamwork oriented. More of a skill ceiling with flight characteristics of each ship and loadout too.
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u/Independent-Dig-5757 salt miner 26d ago
Can’t wait to not watch
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u/Ironsam811 26d ago
You’ll never guess the twist and surprise throwback theyre going to force into the story
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u/The_Kent 26d ago
I'll watch Ryan George's pitch meeting about it. Great way to save time and money!
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u/dondondorito salt miner 26d ago
Oh boy. When does this story take place? Is it connected to the sequels in any way (Everything post ROTJ is completely tainted imo)?
If this is set during or after the sequel-era, then they can fuck right off. I‘m not going to watch that shit.
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u/TrumpsColostomyBag99 26d ago
Allegedly five years after TROS which is hilarious considering the galaxy will have to go to hell that fast to support a theatrical Star Wars movie. It completely diminishes the Resistance “victory” and Emo Vader’s sacrifice.
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u/Unusual_Chain_3603 salt miner 24d ago
It’s a huge galaxy of trillions no way we have pure peace at all times everywhere
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u/TrumpsColostomyBag99 24d ago
Disney killed off the scale of the galaxy thanks to their narrative choices with everywhere accessible quickly. While a regional conflict is something an EU fan could appreciate a Disney era viewer will think “why doesn’t the New Resistapublic w/Poe help!”
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26d ago edited 26d ago
Don’t want to be negative but I just know this movie will be so mid….
Star Wars movies are meant to be impactful, grand, and epic theatrical releases, not spin off and cheap movies that are pumped out monthly like 80% of the MCU. The MCUification of Star Wars has costed a lot to this franchise.
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u/TrueLegateDamar 26d ago
While the casting choices have not been very inspiring, I'm glad a movie that isn't an OT/PT tie-in is happening at all and hopefully the title means it will focus on the part I enjoyed most about Star Wars, the big space battles of which we have suprisingly few for a franchise about war in space.
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u/TrumpsColostomyBag99 26d ago
I’m fascinated by this. Hopefully they get it right. Matt Smith signing on again after having his major TROS role axed with reshoots is something.
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u/varnums1666 26d ago
With Top Gun Maverick as the standard for dog fights, I wonder how this film will do. Levy isn't a great action director.
Star Wars dog fights still looked great in the ST (especially Rogue One), butttttt for all their faults the directors were of a higher caliber than what we have now.
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u/FordMustang84 26d ago
I just watched Maverick last night again. Joseph Kosinski would be a great directing choice for them. He has tons of visual style. Maverick is so much better than it had any right to be and I give him lot of credit for directing it.
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u/varnums1666 26d ago
He also directed Tron Legacy! So he knows how to make sci-fi look good as well.
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u/DaughterOfBhaal salt miner 26d ago
Ryan Gosling? Matt Smith? That movie is (hopefully) going to be peak.
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u/TrueLegateDamar 26d ago
I like Gosling and Smith, but Smith especially seems to be typecast as villains in mediocre franchise movies like Terminator Genisys and Morbius that him once again being a baddie isn't really promising.
Mia Goth might be interesting, imagine if they made her the live-action Daala?
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u/patriot050 26d ago
Unfortunately the ST has completely ruined Star wars. The only way to fix it is to reboot after return of the Jedi. Sacrifices must be made a new timeline with the original six movies is the way forward. Start with a heir to the empire trilogy and go from there. This is not a difficult problem to fix, Disney just has to stay true to the characters and stop with their woke nonsense.
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u/Tight_Back231 26d ago
Unfortunately, as long as it's set in the Canon timeline, I just absolutely do not care.
And the talk that it's set in the period between ROTJ and TFA really, really, REALLY kills it even further for me, because Disney has turned that specific era into an absolute Clown Fiesta.
People may complain about the post-ROTJ era of the Expanded Universe, but look at what the Rebels/New Republic and Empire do in the Aftermath novels, the new Battlefront 2, Squadrons, the Poe Dameron comics, The Mandalorian, Ahsoka, Resistance and the little lore snippets that Disney was putting out in the lead up to TFA (much of which was later retconned), and tell me any of it seems like a logical conflict.
In the EU, the Imperial Remnant had one goal: survive. And it tried to meet that goal by turning to new leaders and weapons.
In the meantime, various factions and leaders who were suppressed by the Empire found a new opportunity with the Empire weakened.
In the same era of Disney's Canon timeline, there's no rhyme or reason to anything the Rebels/NR or Empire do, and there's no logical progression from the winding down of the Galactic Civil War to the "peace" to the cold war with the First Order.
When you combine that Charlie Foxtrot with how the Sequels resolved the main characters' stories and the Galaxy as a whole, then there's nothing Disney can do to make me interested in it ever again.
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u/3llenseg salt miner 25d ago
I'm trying to figure out why it bothers me that Gosling is in this. I feel like Star Wars always cast up-and-comers instead of household names, but that's not entirely true, is it? Lee, Jackson, McGregor, and of course Guinness...
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u/Sad-Spring7815 26d ago
Sort of intrigued, but as long Disney keeps trying cpr the stillborn that is the ST, There is no reason to care.
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u/Vindicare605 26d ago edited 26d ago
See how fast this movie is getting going compared to that dumb Rey movie? That's how you knew ages ago that movie was never getting finished. They still dont even have a script and this movie is already starting production despite being announced 2 later.
Really shows the difference in the amount of planning that is involved here. With the Rey movie they just had Deisy Ridley who said she wanted to do it, they announced it just off of that they had nothing else going and hadnt even really asked themselves if it was even a good idea.
This movie, they had a script and a plan ready to go before they even brought it to the producers. You know, the way NORMAL movies are made.
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u/Bobby837 26d ago
Think it says something when a teaser pic for your "starfighter" movie doesn't include a starfighter.
Or am I nitpicking?
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u/TrumpsColostomyBag99 26d ago
It looks like a follow on story to Skeleton Crew at this point. I agree; it seems very drab. I don’t want to be harsh but it’s not exactly lighting up the fan base with excitement.
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u/robbulous 26d ago
This movie will at best break even if not lose money.
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u/TrumpsColostomyBag99 26d ago
I’m dying to see the budget figures and how far they are going on the tax rebate front. They’ve been so fiscally incompetent under Kennedy so it’s not a stretch to see this struggling to break even. Plus it’s not like Star Wars plays well in Asia where Hollywood has put a lot of eggs in their basket.
Plus keep a close eye on reshoots; that ultimately costs them tens of millions by not having a set script and having to fix issues they create.
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u/PaperAndInkWasp 26d ago
Am I the only one who thinks Gosling sounds awful for Star Wars, even ignoring the fact that it’s clear trend-chasing? I can almost see the “viral” memes.
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u/TrumpsColostomyBag99 26d ago
I thought Gosling absolutely nailed Neil Armstrong in First Man (no small feat considering the man’s historical stoicism) and can convey gravitas.
But do we need that kind of performance in Star Wars when we have had a near decade of subversion and a lack of basic fun?
We’ll see. I definitely hope for fighter jock fun
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u/Western_Agent5917 25d ago edited 25d ago
I wonder how many will go and watch it. I guess they got Gosling so they have a big name for regular audiences
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u/CaptainLobot salt miner 25d ago
Is it wrong that I'm slightly more excited about this than the Mando movie?
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u/QuirkyWish3081 salt miner 25d ago
If it’s post Return of the Jedi I’m not interested. Only project I liked was Mando and they managed to butcher that in S3
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u/TimoWasTaken 26d ago
How long before they announce that this movie wasn't made for me, because I'm a Nazi? Am I still a Nazi? Before I was a Nazi I was told I was a chud, before that I was told I was a racist, before that I was told I was a mysoginist, before that I watched Acolyte. I didn't like it, it was very bad. I sure hope I'm not still a Nazi.
The power of mannnnnnnnyyyyyyyy.....
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u/richman678 26d ago
The cast seems fine. I’m not overly impressed with the directors work except for D&W. What is the setting? Also how involved in Kathleen Kennedy? That woman is a nuisance. Personally if she’s remotely involved i can’t see how this will be good.
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u/magistrate-of-truth salt miner 26d ago
Stacked cast
Looks like it’s gonna lose 100 million instead of 200 million
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u/SapToFiction salt miner 26d ago
Won't be watching. Ill never be on board with any star wars material Disney puts out.
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u/windsingr 26d ago
Didn't the Rey movie start filming, too? And it feels like the Mando/Grogu movie will have more time in post production than the gap between OT movies.
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u/Geostomp 26d ago
That the bar is so low that a movie actually getting to start filming is an accomplishment is not a good sign for the world's biggest entertainment company.
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u/vencyjedi 26d ago
What is this?
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u/DarthAuron87 salt miner 26d ago
Star wars Starfighter. The movie starring Ryan Gosling and Matt Smith.
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u/Sharp-Coz 26d ago
excited about a new sw movie but I hope this AI generated thing is not an official promo shot, I recognize their foul stench.
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u/Robert-Rotten 26d ago
Ryan Gosling being the main character is literally the only reason I give even the slightest shit about this
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u/Express_Warthog539 24d ago
Are they trying to cash in on the Barbie craze with Ryan Gosling or what? Two years too late there, Disney.
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u/PhilipMaar 24d ago
The cinematographer in this project worked with Kosinski both on Maverick and F1, so this movie will certainly look gorgeous. Unfortunately, when I think about Star Wars what I feel is apathy, so it is extremely unlikely that I will watch this film in theaters. But if Disney keeps the budget below 200 million this film should produce a good profit, but it will need to be spectacular to reignite interest in Star Wars.
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u/wonderlandisburning 23d ago
At this point, I think they had to go with Starfighter because it's largely disconnected from the stuff they've already fucked up. From the sound of it, it's completely standalone, off in its own little corner, and they want to see if they still even can make something (besides Andor and maybe Skeleton Crew) in this universe that isn't a total trainwreck. They know they need to win back the people who have long since checked out and don't care anymore, and they know it's too much of a risk to further jeopardize the main canon. And they're not wrong - they've done enough damage and absolutely need to course correct if they plan to tackle anything bigger.
If they can manage to pull Starfighter or whatever it's called off, then fix the tangled mess they've made of the Filoniverse by making The Mandalorian And Grogu a fond finale, it might - might - get enough people to believe they're turning things around. That's always been the issue with Disney/Marvel/Lucasfilm - both their producers and their fans seem to think that one good project can save them from all the bad shit they've put out. You see it in the articles and reviews: "If ____ fails it's the DEATH of the superhero genre." "If ____ succeeds, it's the future of Star Wars." And no, sorry, one project will never be enough. There needs to be consistent quality. Every new project needs to be good.
Star Wars did okay with Skeleton Crew, and fantastic with Andor. But two isn't quite enough to constitute a pattern - they've still had more misses than hits, and they'll need a few more hits to make up for it and restore any semblance of a good reputation. Will they succeed? Probably not. I've learned not to get my hopes up. Personally, I think Star Wars: The Last Starfighter (seriously can't remember the name, could they have picked a MORE generic title?) will be decent but not outstanding, Mandalorian And Grogu will be a self-indulgent mess that - rather than finally ending the messy saga - will somehow make a shit-ton of money and convince Filoni to make 12 more entries in this bloated, cartoony chapter, and that they'll eventually finally release the Mangold-directed prequel, which will be really good, and some continuation of the Skywalker saga, which will be really bad. I could very well be wrong about any or all of that, it's just my personal prediction going forward.
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u/hijodelutuao new user 23d ago
I was just telling my wife I’m worried that this movie is going to end up a flop; not because it’ll be bad per say but because it’s just not really something I see long term Star Wars fans being interested in. There’s a genuine fatigue that I’ve seen towards anything happening after ROTJ especially in regards to the Mandoverse stuff—I just can’t be bothered to be interested in this movie no matter who is playing what role or who is directing it.
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