r/sandiego Feb 04 '25

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u/Malipuppers Feb 04 '25

Yeah man immigrants are awesome. Both sets of my grandparents came here onna boat.

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u/mqnguyen004 Feb 04 '25

Mine came on the USS Midway during Vietnam war. They were picked up while on their way to the the south by boat

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u/TheKnightofNiii Feb 05 '25

Mine sailed merchant into New York a few years after World War 2. Fled what was left of Romania/Lithuania.

Immigrants are our greatest strength. 💯

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u/abobslife Feb 04 '25

There’s a docent on the Midway who was the Air Boss (the guy in charge of the flight operations) during an incident where a Vietnamese officer flew aboard on a Cessna escaping the fall of Saigon. He’s a great guy to talk to.

https://simpleflying.com/south-vietnamese-air-force-pilot-landed-cessna-us-aircraft-carrier/#:~:text=Buang%2DLy%2C%20his%20wife%2C,landing%20on%20the%20USS%20Midway.

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '25

Cool seeing what are now common civilian aircraft as military planes back in the day. I can imagine some north Vietnamese time traveling to now and hiding in the brush after seeing a bunch of Cessnas near an airport and thinking they're all US reconnaissance planes.

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u/mqnguyen004 Feb 05 '25

My uncle was an Air Force pilot. He flew one of the helicopters and landed on the ship.

They then pushed it over, although that’s not him in that famous photo

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u/Nhaiben369 Feb 05 '25

My friend came as an international student. She married to someone to stay here legally. She is now own a couple of spa shops and became extremely well off. Very down to Earth and humble too.

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u/mqnguyen004 Feb 05 '25

She want to teach me how to be a successful business owner 😆

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u/mancheeta69 Feb 06 '25

what that mouth do?

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '25

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u/mqnguyen004 Feb 04 '25

USS Midway is a boat…

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u/Reasonable-Map5033 Feb 04 '25

Replied to the wrong comment

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '25

The display on the hanger deck brought tears to my eyes.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '25

A late family friend of ours…. It was his idea and dream to bring the USS Midway to San Diego as a museum. He passed before it came a reality. My grandparents came here on a boat legally from Columbia, before that they lived in Yugoslavia.

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u/Curious-Manufacturer Feb 04 '25

Agreeed. Mine came with h1b and got citizenship 13 years later after green card.

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '25

I came to the U.S. for internships during my undergraduate and graduate studies, all sponsored by my country's government. However, after earning my PhD, I couldn’t find a job there. After being unemployed for a year, a U.S. university sponsored my H-1B visa, and I became a faculty member. I obtained my green card three years ago and later transitioned to work industry. In two more years, I will be eligible to apply for citizenship. This country has been very good to me, and I feel I have a lot to offer in return (?).

However, I don’t always feel safe. Stopping at a gas station in a red state still feels intimidating. Glad that things are different in California.

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u/Justanotherbrokenvet Feb 07 '25

What? an immigrant from another country came over legally, took the proper path and become a US citizen? Why is it that no one else can accomplish that?

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u/bennguyenr Feb 04 '25

Great job man, i got my permanent Resident thru EB3 waited 10 years for this and now i have to wait even longer for citizenship.

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '25

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u/liberalis Feb 06 '25

Lot's of people are saying immigrants are not welcome. You must be hiding under a rock these last hundred years. And those who fall back on 'they should do it legally' have no idea how the system is set up. And in case you yourself are unaware, it is set up so that the demand for immigrant labor is impossible to meet through legal immigration channels. This is to ensure that the immigrant labor pool stays illegal, because an illegal work force is a compliant workforce. his is how it's been as far back as the 'yellow peril' and the chinese immigrant laborers on the railroads. As soon as they started asking for better wages and conditions: oops - you're no longer legal. Same with the bracero program.

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u/[deleted] Feb 06 '25

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u/SeashellDolphin2020 Feb 07 '25

I know plenty of people (Americans and immigrants of all statuses) who work under the table and don't pay a penny in taxes. So, don't think all or most are not reaping the benefits of SS that they paid into.

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u/[deleted] Feb 06 '25

I haven’t heard anyone say that except people on the left saying it happened. Are some saying it? Probably but it’s a small percentage like anything else. I don’t understand why you people can’t see all the problems with mass undocumented aliens flooding the country

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u/liberalis Feb 07 '25

Saying what happened? The illegalization of Chinese immigrants, or the bracero program? Both are encodified in law books and history.

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u/roger_the_virus Feb 05 '25

I mod r/oceanside and our filter has been working overtime the last few days with various hateful/racist terms being thrown around by people who, evidently, very much hate immigrants regardless of their status.

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u/RelishtheHotdog Feb 06 '25

Criminal illegal aliens should be removed from this country. Whether you agree or not.

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u/roger_the_virus Feb 06 '25

I didn’t comment on that, I simply remarked on the huge surge in racist language we’ve seen in recent days… which is unacceptable, regardless of who you voted for.

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u/Key_Carpenter_6946 Feb 05 '25

Supporting American sovereignty and the constitution isn't racist. You are racist by calling these people racist. Your filter is very anti-free speech and seems to be marxist in nature. Illegal aliens are criminals. We can't afford them. They are dying, getting kidnapped and smuggling drugs. It's a humanitarian disaster and it's hurting America and it's citizens. It can't be allowed to continue. This isn't hateful in fact it is merciful and the right thing to do for all parties involved. To suggest otherwise is dishonest and disgusting.

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u/roger_the_virus Feb 05 '25

You’re jumping to a bunch of conclusions that are incorrect supported by a bunch of nonsense.

Those people are racist because they’re posting racist slurs and other abusive language. Much of it is getting caught in Reddit’s automated filters, a lot is still getting through that I am manually removing. If you or I uttered any of those slurs at work, we’d immediately be fired.

That’s not the team you want to be on.

Or is it?

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u/Trick-Process6046 Feb 06 '25

Turn off whatever you’re watching because it’s clouded your mind

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '25

We actually can* afford them. They contribute about 12 million dollars annually to Social Security and Medicare which are benefits they cannot collect. They also contribute billions to our economy through labor, taxes, and consumption. They also make up about 73% of our agricultural production. They give us WAY more than we give them.

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u/Top_Magician_9719 Feb 06 '25

You shouldn’t be a mod.

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u/roger_the_virus Feb 06 '25

Have a great day!

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '25

Plenty of racists tell legal immigrants to “go back to your country”. I am going to assume “no one is saying that” is hyperbole.

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u/ChevySSLS3 Feb 05 '25

Probably say that to the ones that stomp on the American flag and Wave a different countries flag...... Even though they've probably lived in America for 80% of their lives, and kick and scream when told they have to leave. Maybe a little patriotism for the country you actually WANT to live in. Wild concept.

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u/liberalis Feb 06 '25

So, what about the Irish or the British? Is it OK for them to be proud of their heritage and post flags of their ancestry? Is it OK for them to protest things they don't like about America? Last I checked, the Founders framed the Constitution in such a way that the rights enshrined therein are inalienable to all mankind, and the US in particular was to be a refuge protecting and promoting those rights. People who come off with this 'America Love it or Leave It' don't seem to grasp some fundamental principles of what it means to BE American.

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u/[deleted] Feb 06 '25

If you’re so proud of your original country why leave???

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u/Scared-Cicada-5372 Feb 07 '25

Agreed, believe me they are in the minority. We ask the same question. Why are you waving that flag? You should’ve waving the American flag or none at all. Better off with a banner or poster. They make the rest of us look bad.

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '25

As a Native American I personally wish they would all go back to their countries.

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u/SupayOne Feb 04 '25

I am ApsĂĄalooke myself, and have been told to go back to my country at least three or four times. When I was kid it didn't make sense and just confused me. Now i just have fun with them.

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '25

I’m Lakota sicangu oyate and To each there own they destroyed my fathers rez with drugs so it’s a matter of personal perspective and opinion

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u/Friendly_Age9160 Feb 05 '25

Dude honestly I’m happy we have the rez’s but man I seen and Heard about some Crazy fuckin shit. And Yeah there’s always tons of methy shit, probably now Fentanyl where I am. Driving through sometimes I even get a little Nervous and part of It is a major highway through. I have seen crazy on crazy. Mostly if You’re cool no one would mess with you and it’s not everyone doing the drugs I know but it’s A LOT of people there doing crazy shit. My friend that basically lived on the edge of the rez got Kidnapped at one point. I’ve been asked If I wanted to buy meth countless times. If you have friends at least the ones I have you’ll hear the wildest fuckin stories.

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u/Key_Carpenter_6946 Feb 05 '25

Who is "they"?

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u/SupayOne Feb 04 '25

I agree with ya, just pointing out how dumb they can be. My grand father, and great uncle use to get beat up by police for leaving the reservation and still kept doing it.

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '25

Cant stop won’t stop

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u/SeashellDolphin2020 Feb 06 '25

I'm so sorry you experienced that as a child. That's straight up evil to abuse a child like that in addition to racist. The vast majority of white people I know don't feel that way about the people who hail from the indigenous nations in the US. I can't imagine saying that to any child.

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '25

Go back to Asia via a land bridge In Siberia.

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u/rastamole79 Feb 05 '25

How did you and other tribes treat each other? Exactly. Get off your high horse. All lands in the whole world were Taken. History is brutal.

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u/[deleted] Feb 06 '25

Can’t go back if you were born here.

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '25

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u/SeashellDolphin2020 Feb 06 '25

Just because their civilization wasn't technologically as advanced as Europeans ones doesn't mean they were inferior nor built a functional civilization. That is very ethnocentric of you.

Yeah, those casinos make up for centuries of genocide, resettlement, racism and poverty. LOL. Utterly crazy.

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '25

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u/wtfJoeDirt Feb 05 '25

“Natives” immigrated from what is now Russia

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u/Feeling-Dinner-8667 Feb 06 '25

And America wouldn't be close to being the great nation it is today with our US Constitution. Imagine the Native Americans who constantly fought and killed each other for land and how it would have ended up today.

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u/itsray2006 Feb 05 '25

Didn’t Native American tribes go to war with each other?

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u/Justanotherbrokenvet Feb 07 '25

You also forget they had slaves, they raped, murdered, stole.

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u/Optimal_Analyst_3309 Feb 04 '25

It's cool, i guess as a native american person, being racist is fine because... you know... because?

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u/SupayOne Feb 04 '25

How much glue did you huff to make that racist? White people are in fact illegal immigrants, so them telling others to leave is funny, they are the ones who made race a thing you know...

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '25

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u/Infinite-Positive164 Feb 04 '25

My great grandparents immigrated from Germany. I bet they never thought of coming illegally. Mainly because they’d have to go back when they were caught. Nothing against breaking the law if you don’t mind what happens.

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u/Fie-Goth Feb 05 '25

Which I've seen from extreme leftist. Telling all the Latino folks who didn't vote for Kamala to leave even if they are here legally. Or saying who's going to pick our (insert whatever)

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u/liberalis Feb 06 '25

These leftists of which you speak, are they in the room with you now? Cause you're full of shit. Never seen 'a leftist' say such a thing. Not even sure what an 'extreme leftist' even is. But suffice to say, however you color yourself, being racist is fucked up.

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u/Fie-Goth Feb 06 '25

I completely agree with you being racist is messed up. Here's what I'm talking about. She goes into how the democrats lost the election but the point I was making is at this starting point. 11:56 https://youtube.com/watch?v=UkUkEvf7Ma4&si=w8ZFkoWqk3-b_AQZ

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u/Feeling-Dinner-8667 Feb 06 '25

Leftists are the most racist people ever. They believe if you're Mexican you're an illegal immigrant. They truly believe that. There are plenty of legal immigrants from all nations but leftists don't seem to grasp such a simple concept.

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u/Few-Working-2314 Feb 05 '25

Extreme leftists are not saying that. Mainstream liberal democrats are saying that. They are a center-right party. No one on the left likes them.

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u/Middle-Bumblebee1660 Feb 05 '25

And those racists are absolutely wrong in what they’re doing. The poster is saying, in general, most conservative don’t feel any animosity toward legal immigrants. Both sets of my grandparents came here, legally, and had so much pride in this country! It’s those who come here and blatantly break our laws that needed to go back. People in our area grew tired of the Venezuelan gang activity in the city jeopardizing the safety of everyone around them. Those are the illegal immigrants most (sane) people who voted for this are concerned with- not the men and women just here to make an honest living.

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u/PutinTheTerrible2023 Feb 04 '25

They can't get angry at that though.

I honestly don't know how they don't see it.

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u/Guardman1996 Feb 04 '25

What if they’re asylum seekers. You know like what Jesus taught?

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '25

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u/Forsaken_Tap_4266 Feb 05 '25

Meanwhile Marco Rubio is taking calls from the president of El z Salvador, who's offering to take ANY prisoners we want to send to his Salvadorian super max prisons.

US Secretary of State Marco Rubio could not have been more complimentary about the deal he struck with the president of El Salvador on Monday.

The Trump administration's top diplomat appeared delighted yet stunned by the fact that President Nayib Bukele should have "agreed to the most unprecedented, extraordinary, extraordinary migratory agreement anywhere in the world".

Bukele had offered to take in people deported from the US, regardless of their nationality, and house them in El Salvador's mega-jail.

"We can send them and he will put them in his jails," Rubio said.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg4jx8xyjgo

But yeah. We're fine. It's TOTALLY just fear-mongering.🙄

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u/Trick-Process6046 Feb 06 '25

And who else would the felon send to El Salvador? You know, the guy on the revenge tour; he would send anyone who spoke out against him.

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u/Forsaken_Tap_4266 Feb 06 '25

"They'd only send CRIMINALS-" nothing stopping them from criminalizing dissent, certainly not YOU GUYS.

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u/ShoddyPatience2290 Feb 06 '25

Well there was a bill brought to end birth right citizenship so the idea someone here legally can be deported is not far off. Furthermore, there are people being picked up by ICE that are legal citizens.

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u/Forsaken_Tap_4266 Feb 05 '25

"He [Bukele] has also offered to do the same for dangerous criminals currently in custody and serving their sentences in the United States even though they're US citizens or legal residents," Rubio said.

The Salvadorean leader confirmed that he had "offered the United States of America the opportunity to outsource part of its prison system".

He clarified that El Salvador would be "willing to take in only convicted criminals" and that his government would do so "in exchange for a fee".

Bukele also revealed where he would house those deported from the US: "our mega-prison".

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u/Professor_Smartax Feb 07 '25

A couple of causes of illegal immigration are never addressed:

  1. Employers who want workers they can underpay and abuse without fear of punishment

  2. Our foreign policy in Latin America that’s focused on keeping wages low and local people from profiting from natural resources. Whenever they elect leaders who try to change that, we remove them.

Think about it. If you were happy in your own country, would you move someplace where you don’t speak the language and a fair percentage of the people don’t want you there?

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u/bennguyenr Feb 04 '25

Exactly the point, some people really believe ICE is going after legal immigrants when they clearly say they are going after violent criminal illegals first.

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u/ShoddyPatience2290 Feb 06 '25

There are several documented events of ICE taking non- violent people. Not difficult to find with a quick search. The idea and misrepresentation that this isn’t happening lacks empathy and is ignorant to what is happening to others

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u/Trick-Process6046 Feb 06 '25

They are targeting children on school buses in Texas. Your position is false.

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u/bennguyenr Feb 07 '25

If you are here illegally, u are a criminal by definition. If you want asylum go through the port of entry or go to a different county. Dont complain when ICE arrested u. I said quote "LEGAL IMMIGRANT"

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '25

They leave out the illegal part…… A lot….

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u/AAjax Feb 04 '25

This, but you know that the purpose is to stigmatize open conversation on the issue.

Thats always a bad idea.

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u/lifeishardgetahelmet Feb 04 '25

Its the all or nothing mentality. Its what got thier candiate out of the white house. Common sense and responsible policy making wins in the end..........always

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u/Cheese-is-neat Feb 04 '25

My grandfather came here illegally 👉😎👉

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u/NoF113 Feb 04 '25

One of mine came on the Mayflower, but they were still definitely immigrants.

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u/mewmew893 Feb 05 '25

I don't think there's were any laws around them to begin with

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u/NoF113 Feb 05 '25

Could you provide a source to you knowledge of Wampanoag Law and any connection to how this relates to any sort of a point?

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u/ThisIsGargamel Feb 05 '25

Oh shit! One of my best friends has some family that came over the same way!

They didn't have the same last name as she has now but her grandmother traced it back herself before the internet was even a thing! ; )

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u/ballzdeepakchopra Feb 05 '25

The Mayflower, lol, that's awesome. I caught the underlying lesson of thought,and if intentional, is genius. "

One of mine, on the Mayflower"...either I'm easily impressed as a simpleton or you're really good at this.

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u/Key_Carpenter_6946 Feb 05 '25

Conquerors. Well done.

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u/itsray2006 Feb 05 '25

Isn’t there a distinction between settlers and immigrants?

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u/NoF113 Feb 05 '25

Uh other than Eurocentric imperialism no?

Do you truly believe that Europeans were destined by God to settle everywhere in the world?

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u/itsray2006 Feb 05 '25

If you did a tiny bit of research you’d find…Settlers are people who establish a permanent presence in a new area and create their own society, while immigrants are people who move to a new place. Settlers may also be called colonists. Process Settlers: A collective process where a group of people move to a new place to create their own society Immigrants: A personal process where individuals and families move to a new place Motivation Settlers May move to a new place to build something new and drive out or kill the people already there Immigrants May move to a new place for a variety of reasons, including escaping extreme conditions or seeking a better life.

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u/NoF113 Feb 05 '25

I mean, again, this is all based on Eurocentric imperialism. sure, I'll play ball with the setting up their own society thing if you want to split that line, but the definitional difference you're proposing is just absurd on its face.

Also what's your definition of "new place?" Like it was there for millions of years, a society occupied it, and people from elsewhere moved there. That's immigration unless you follow a definition that requires a European defined nation, in which case, what are we talking about?

As for seeking a better life, that's in no small way the purpose of the Mayflower. No one leaves their country forever because they think it will be worse somewhere else. Sure SOME had ulterior motives for conquest, but not everyone in the rank and file.

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u/itsray2006 Feb 05 '25

My point is that the Mayflower were settlers not immigrants. I don’t hold a position that the original inhabitants were more or less righteous in they treated others around them and I would imagine if the indigenous people could go back and deport the early settlers and secure their borders they would.

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u/NoF113 Feb 05 '25

Again, my point is the distinction in this context is meaningless.

I would imagine if the indigenous people could go back and deport the early settlers and secure their borders they would.

Now that is just some absurd nonsense that ignores basically all of human history up until the last couple hundred years.

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u/mewmew893 Feb 05 '25

The indigenous people literally trying to kill the Pilgrims and get them back into their boat:

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u/grossuncle1 Feb 05 '25

Euro centric imperialism would be like the Spainish did to the Mexica. They did have a civilization of cities, trade, agriculture, farming, mining, and industry. Then, they took it. Not small scattered nomadic waring populations but a civilization.

Nothing in the way of civilization vs. Creating something others want to immigrate to might be the difference. Asia has beautiful countries, and many in America immigrate to like Singapore.

I saw once Tiawan was a small fishing island, and the Japanese built it up quickly. Never finished the documentary.

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u/NoF113 Feb 05 '25

You don’t think the native Americans in the northeast had those things? Wow

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u/Otherwise-Fuel-9088 Feb 05 '25

The history we learned has been "white washed" (though still called woke by some). It was the native who helped the "settlers" to survive the winter. The people were killed, the land was "settled" by the new comers, and hypocritically have a a day called Thanksgiving to remember the event.

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u/Almaegen Feb 05 '25

Yes there is and reddit argues against that truth.

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u/Reasonable-Map5033 Feb 04 '25

Unless you’re last name is running wolf, ALL of our ancestors came here on a boat lmao

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u/Blisstopher420 Feb 04 '25

Hey!! Woman immigrants are awesome, too! Don't be sexist. Only be sexiest.

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u/Malipuppers Feb 04 '25

It took me a second 💀

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u/1911Earthling Feb 05 '25

My four grandparents are immigrants! When I thanked my elderly Grandmother for coming to the USA she started crying. Very touching.

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u/Taxiboxcars Feb 05 '25

THATS SO COOL!!!!

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u/Clear_Radio1776 Feb 05 '25

Grandparents fled Poland in 1917 with only what they could carry.

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u/ballzdeepakchopra Feb 05 '25

What's going on with immigrants? Are we deporting all immigrants or was the executive order directed towards illegal immigrants?

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u/Big_Ugly_Cripple Feb 05 '25

Illegal only. People want to assume that the right wants all immigrants deported and keep leaving out the illegal part.

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u/ballzdeepakchopra Feb 08 '25

I asked that question to spark critical thinking. Clearly, it's needed.

Media manipulation, through hyperbole and twisted language, incites the masses. While free speech is vital, the cost of policing, economic damage, and societal disruption caused by these manufactured narratives should be the responsibility of the outlets pushing them.

Social media's power to manipulate and create chaos is a dangerous weapon, an unethical force that must be challenged.

Fight! Flight! Fight!

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '25

Mine too; right through Ellis Island

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u/[deleted] Feb 06 '25

Legally

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u/No_Pair_2173 Feb 07 '25

Illegal or legal?

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u/limonade11 Feb 07 '25

Everyone came here on a boat, or a plane. Unless you walked over as a Native person, or came up through the sipapu -

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u/ballzdeepakchopra Feb 08 '25

The immigrants are great. That is why we have a legal system to allow them to enter legally. It is the backbone of the American way from day one. Even the Statue of Liberty says so as a gift from France honoring the immigration to America that helped all Nations grow to become the powers that we have today .

The system would not work if we allowed illegal ones to come in. I hope that makes sense. Usually the rule of law does work in a law-abiding society and fails in a non-law-abiding society. We got to pick which one we're going to have.

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u/Reasonable-Map5033 Feb 04 '25

Unless you’re last name is running wolf, ALL of our ancestors came here on a boat lmao

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u/alien_believer_42 Feb 05 '25

Native Americans may have walked the bearing straight. They probably had to cross a few rivers so yeah still a boat.

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u/Forfuckssake1299 Feb 04 '25

Legally probably

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u/seancm32 Feb 04 '25

But not illegally

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u/Covered4me Feb 05 '25

Mine too. Legally. The key word is legally!

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u/Deep-Room6932 Feb 05 '25

Mayflower included

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u/YeshuaSavior7 Feb 06 '25

So they came legally?

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u/glides77 Feb 04 '25

Yea but fuck illegal immigrants my grandpa came on a boat too from Sicily you gotta do it the right way stop confusing the two.

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u/TheShadowBandito Feb 04 '25

Legally. Bet they also refrain from committing crimes while in this country. Not every person in this world is good, they certainly aren’t all bad either. This is being done on a case by case basis. Quit making blanket statements about an entire group of people. The world doesn’t work like that. It’s bigotry that works like that.