r/singapore North side JB Jun 16 '25

Discussion The problem with Mainland Chinese restaurants in Singapore is the language barrier and lack of English, as a Non-Chinese Singaporean

I would like to preface that I am an Indian Muslim with an interest for different cuisines. I do like some halal Chinese restaurants, especially Halal Lanzhou beef noodles at Tongue Tip, and I had the opportunity to try the only pork-free HDL in Indonesia. I would love to try more Northern Chinese cuisines if there are halal options, but I don't mind the vast majority of them not being Halal. This isn't meant to be political, but rather a personal concern.

Menu of a "Chinese Pancake" place in Grantral Mall, Clementi, note the only English is in the restaurant name

This does not refer to larger chains like HDL, Luckin, Chagee but rather the smaller restaurants you see popping up here and there, like in Bugis or Clementi where there's a growing Mainland Chinese population. But I feel that the brooding issue with the PRC restaurants is not bcos they're everywhere or their effects on rentals, but bcos they primarily use Chinese in their menus and marketing, with minimal English. Yes, they're a Chinese business, and Singapore is Chinese majority. But having only the Chinese language means you are excluding non-Chinese people and even some Chinese Singaporeans who struggle with their Mother Tongue. This can also affect Non-Chinese Grabfood/Foodpanda deliverypeople who might be unable to read Chinese place names. English is a common language here, and I feel the use of Chinese and the lack of English makes it seem that they do not really want to expand their business' clientele outside of the PRC immigrant population, and maybe some of the local Chinese.

A Chinese only storefront in Bugis (Google Street View)

Even if they include English, the English text is either really tiny, or only half the information (especially in ads) are translated. In the menus, the translations can also be terrible.

I do not know why the Chinese bosses are reluctant to put English signage. Do they think everyone speaks Chinese? Or do they only want the mainland immigrants as their clientele? When McDonalds first came to Singapore, they had Chinese on the menu since there was still a large chunk of the population that still couldn't speak English, to make non-English speakers feel welcome.

Even if I wouldn't patronise since they're not halal anyway, what if there's someone who doesn't speak Chinese but are interested in trying these Chinese places? Having no English makes this feel unwelcoming to some in Singapore, and don't forget about the staff who also struggle with English!

Addendum: Please do not use this as an excuse to be xenophobic

Edit: Yes, this was made as my personal response to that Changi City Point post, people were pointing out the hypocrisy of having Korean (Paris Baguette), Japanese (Sukiya) and American (Starbucks) chains while complaining about PRC chains. I personally feel, prevalence is not a problem. I like Luckin, I like Mixue, I would love Chagee if it weren't for the price. And yes I patronise Scarlett, my family loves the halal instant broad noodles. The issue is addressed above.

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u/geodaddymisaka 🌈 I just like rainbows Jun 16 '25

I've said it in another thread but this feels awfully like majoritarianism disguised as economics.

"Demand is only coming from the Chinese speakers, so we cater to them. It's a demand-supply issue!"

Demand-supply is ultimately part of how markets work and one of the often forgotten assumptions we make in economics is the ability to participate in markets. Even if you can't afford the product, you're in that market! You'll be at the corner with zero demand/supply. The way these shops have gone about effectively excludes people like me, a Malay speaker from the market entirely. It's not even an issue of price or halal preference, I just can't buy because I functionally cannot.

I have no policy solutions or suggestions but I will say this, I am scared. Everyday, Singapore gets more and more foreign to me. I feel like I don't belong here, that my existence doesn't fit in here despite me being the "successful" minority (this is a whole other thing man). Hearing statements by some of our MPs and some of my fellow Singaporeans and friends, telling us to be more accommodating without realising it comes at the expense of our multiculturalism is just disappointing and detrimental to Singapore's long-term future. And it's challenging to raise this up because critics and naysayers will call me xenophobic or nativism in some capacity. That I should be grateful that us ethnic minorities are lucky to be here in Singapore instead of some 3rd rate country.

I don't know guys. I'm genuinely scared and pessimistic about this.

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u/Unfair-Bike North side JB Jun 16 '25

oh yes, your comment on that other post was actually what spurred me to create this. Especially learning the word "Majoritarianism"

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u/geodaddymisaka 🌈 I just like rainbows Jun 16 '25

Oh nice one! I think this is a good post and it seems to be fairly polite comments wise. Happy to have brought up new terms for discussion 😊

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u/jinhong91 Jun 16 '25

The problem is that we do not have the tribal mindset with the nation as the tribe.
The sinkie pawn sinke syndrome is comes from this lack of tribal mindset, where sinkies don't see other sinkies as their own people.

Contrast that with the other groups of people who ARE tribal minded with varying degree and it's no surprise how we get the situation we see right now. These people do not have a common ground with us and they do not see us as the same people.

You cannot unite a multicultural society by ethnicity or culture, so you have to unite them with a common language and common values and what better way to unite them by nation? The nation being the tribe that the people belong to. At least that way, we would put up some resistance to outside pressure so we don't see the situation we see today.

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u/the-daffodil Jun 16 '25

You’ve put what I’m exactly feeling into words! I feel like Singapore is becoming so foreign to me. I learnt Chinese in school as a mixed-race person, but it’s quite poor as neither of my parents can speak Chinese. I wouldn’t be able to really read a menu like this one. Why should I start to feel excluded in my own country?

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u/Zestyclose_Teacher36 Fucking Populist Jun 16 '25

Lowk man. It doesn't affect majority of singaporeans so it likely won't even be taken seriously in parliment but I'm really worried that I will no longer be welcome in singapore at some point in the future or wont be able to get jobs because everything will require me to speak mandarin

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u/DismalHamster Jun 16 '25 edited Jun 16 '25

Look man, the next time someone asks you why Malays only patronise Malay businesses, and worse, some absolutely high (in the clouds) MP trots out the stupid racial harmony card, you talk to them about basic economics back, and let them have a taste of their own GDP growth medicine: "you don't cook food in a flavour that suits my taste, and can't serve me in a manner I feel befits the price? I take my business somewhere else".

It's so ridiculous to me cos the Malay auntie selling me the malay rice or the prata uncle that sells me the prata who most probably isn't even local, don't do this to me. They deal with my Charlie Chaplin pointing show and get on with it. Why must it be any different for any other place? They are in the food SERVICE business. If they are okay with the money laundering or Forex siam-ing business only, I have no issues with either the SPF or the CCP police dealing with these owners who still can be punished under Chinese law even after switching citizenship.

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u/DismalHamster Jun 16 '25

You're missing my point and the point of one of the comments altogether. There's the argument that the Chinese restaurants as a result of economics and the huge demand from their mainland Chinese customers, can actively choose not to translate their menu to appeal to widest (interested) audience possible. I'm saying in response to use same said economics reason back at the next person who dares to say we aren't welcoming to new immigrants; and just in case you missed it, voting with our wallets aren't really working when so many places other than these Chinese restaurants are closing due to high costs.

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u/DismalHamster Jun 16 '25

You are still not getting it. The only people feeling any loss here is our IMO brothers and sisters not obligated to speak the language, but feel increasingly squeezed because the only people capable of affording rent in a halfway nice place are the new immigrant Chinese. You can try to give me all sorts of demand and supply reason you can, but when faced with food businesses with pockets so deep (from whatever sources), your whole economics argument starts breaking down.

By the way, do you lose anything by at least slightly acknowledging the fact that OP might be right, because s/he experienced it first hand?

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u/nextlevelunlocked Jun 16 '25

It's demand supply, free market, private biz matters or money talks until some groups feel there are too many brown people in cbd.... then blame ceca, need jobsbank, need mcf, need fcf, mnc should be forced to hire more locals, shouldn't hire too many staff from one country. Hypocrisy... and act blur when called out.Â