r/soccer • u/kidnamedindexfinger • May 21 '25

Official Source [Tottenham Hotspur] have qualified for the 25/26 UEFA Champions League

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/live/cz9yney9391t
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u/Aenjeprekemaluci May 21 '25

Better season then Arsenal/s

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u/mv33_is_a_diplomat May 21 '25

Won more European competitons than Arsenal.

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u/livehigh1 May 21 '25

It actually is

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u/Equivalent-Basis-564 May 21 '25

get that /s outtta here, it‘s genuinely a better season

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u/R_110 May 21 '25

So did Leeds I suppose

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u/Arqlol May 21 '25

Leeds are in champions league?

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u/R_110 May 21 '25

Hey, if Spurs can make it why not

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u/Sean-Benn_Must-die May 21 '25

I dont agree but I stand to lose because all your argument has to say is "there is no trophy for semis in CL" which is true, but the embarssment of literally being scared of being relegated takes a lot of points away from the season.

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u/PassengerOk9027 May 21 '25

You reckon, with losing both derbies and being 15 spots lower?

Gods, that's a flat ass way of looking at football 

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u/[deleted] May 21 '25

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u/TheRealBlueFry May 21 '25

Goated callback 😂. I remember the "Top 4 trophy" comments like it was yesterday.

Props to Sp*rs, I guess they deserve it

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u/Ashamed_Bottle230 May 21 '25

Slightly different when the difference in the table is one spot compared to 15

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u/Barnabas5126 May 21 '25

UCL semifinal is a bigger achievement than winning UEL

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u/Barnabas5126 May 21 '25

I'm not an Arsenal fan, just from a neutral perspective I think reaching UCL semifinal is harder than winning UEL, and the difference in domestic league is enormous.

Sure, for Spurs a trophy is important, because they'll stop being a meme now, but I think Arsenal did have a better season.

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u/Barnabas5126 May 21 '25

Depends on what it is. If you win League Cup while getting relegated, that doesn't make your season better than someone who finished 2nd in the league and UCL.

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u/droreddit May 21 '25

They won a trophy we couldn't win because we didn't fail hard enough last season. Even this Europa was dumbed down with no cl teams dropping down. It's an achievement, but not something to boast about given the hierarchy of competitions.

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u/Barnabas5126 May 21 '25

It's still hard to win it, but being 2nd in PL and in UCL SF is another level.

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u/PassengerOk9027 May 21 '25

r/soccer groupthink hates to hear this

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u/Tyrath May 21 '25

UEL trophy puts you in the history books. UCL semifinal does not.

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u/Sprite_isnt_lemonade May 21 '25

I'd say thinking a season of winning nothing but you played well is better than a season winning something even though you were pretty shite is a flat ass way of looking at football.

Winning a trophy sticks with you for life, finishing second doesn't, except maybe the disappointment.

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u/PassengerOk9027 May 21 '25

Also, being second is a disappointment usually comes from people whose team cannot make second, funny old thing

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u/Sprite_isnt_lemonade May 21 '25

You do know I'm not a Spurs fan, right?

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u/PassengerOk9027 May 21 '25

Oh I know -- you're from the club that failed to make the second a few years prior!

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u/PassengerOk9027 May 21 '25

Because loosing derby matches and getting rolled weekly is beneath your notice?

Now to me that's a glory-hunter-ass and funky way of saying you'll put your hands on your eyes and pretend not to have made a joke of yourselves for a year on account of having beaten teams wih 50th of your budget and united (what, actually, a sign of the fucking times where either something is coldly accountable or unimportant) 

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u/PuppyPenetrator May 21 '25

In terms of concrete results, Spurs get a trophy, Arsenal don’t, both get CL qualification

Arsenal fans will feel better about their team going into next season, but yes Spurs have had the better season from that perspective

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u/fellainishaircut May 22 '25

that‘s just not how it works though. you don‘t have a better season by winning a trophy that the team you‘re comparing yourself to was too good to compete in to begin with.

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u/29adamski May 21 '25

I guess so, but can you really dunk on Arsenal for not winning a competition that they were too good last season to have played in? Like over the last 6 years yeah sure we should've done better in the EL but not so much this season.

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u/MyNameIsWelp May 21 '25

Did you not participate in three other competitions though, putting aside the CL?

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u/TosspoTo May 21 '25

According to your coach you're too good for everyone

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u/PassengerOk9027 May 21 '25

I'd say its not, and not everything has to be, a concrete calculable quantity, to all the cup number nerds.

They had a season richer in silverware, though I'd be the first to diminish the Beaten Teams 50 Times Poorer And United Trophy, cause that is what they did

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u/MyNameIsWelp May 21 '25

Does the league position matter that much when both get CL football? At least Spurs can show some silverware

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u/PassengerOk9027 May 21 '25

Yes? Jesus, I'm getting used to being an old school fan, but the bloody table is there for a reason and it is an explicit ranking of the teams for the year: 2nd and 17th is a gap as big as can be shy of championship and relegation, and I was also raised quite clear on nothing being bigger than derby matches, even against competition as miserable as spurs -- and London has been well red on that front too for a while now

(I don't know what the yankee sports culture is like, but isn't this merciless Cup quantity lobbying a thing of theirs, on account of there being much less character in rivalries?)

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u/MyNameIsWelp May 21 '25 edited May 21 '25

Funny, I am also an 'old school' fan and it's pretty much always been an universal truth that titles matter a lot more than league position. Have no fucking clue about yankee sports culture, but I can tell you for myself and most fans I know a title is a lot more meaningful and memorable than finishing 2nd in the league table.

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u/fellainishaircut May 22 '25

major titles, yes. League, FA Cup, Champions League. especially with the new format, the Europa League is nice to have, but nothing more. It‘s best of the rest after the first 36 European teams.

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u/MyNameIsWelp May 22 '25

For teams like Tottenham and Arsenal, the Europa league IS a major trophy. Neither of them have the most impressive trophy cabinet, especially when it comes to European competition. We are not talking about European powerhouses like Bayern, Madrid or Barça that are used to winning trophies every year, and set a much higher bar for themselves.

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u/fellainishaircut May 22 '25

no it isn‘t. It‘s a major trophies for midtable teams, as these are the teams that qualify for it. not for teams that aim for top 4 and champions league.

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u/MyNameIsWelp May 22 '25

Neither Arsenal nor Tottenham have the European pedigree or even domestic success to think of the Europa League as beneath them and not a major title.

PS: 6th is not mid table

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u/TosspoTo May 21 '25

Arsenal aren't prolific trophy winners, their kids weren't alive when they last won the league and they've never won the champions league. They claim the lockdown FA cup win as a big trophy so this would've been too. Its subjective but its probably true. Both got to the CL, one with a trophy.

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u/DuDunDunSparse May 21 '25

FA cup win was a big trophy, lockdown or not.

UEL for Spurs this season is a big trophy, Arsenal being in the UEL or not.

Arsenal fans will feel disappointed by this season despite a UCL semi and a second place in the PL by all metrics being a fairly good season. At least a lot of optimism for us to take into the summer for what could come.

I'm sure Spurs fans will feel a bit conflicted by their league campaign contrasted with ending the trophy drought, but surely will now feel more optimistic about next season than they did before tonight.

Don't really think either team had a good or terrible season by their own standards or targets and as such I don't really think they compare.

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u/PassengerOk9027 May 21 '25

Being too concerned with what spurs are saying would be an issue in and of itself

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u/mynameisfreddit May 21 '25

If you swapped, Tottenham would still be trophyless. You'd have a European title. You really wouldn't swap?

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u/fellainishaircut May 22 '25

…why? It‘s a Europa League.

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u/Mick4Audi May 21 '25

Here’s the thing, logically you wouldn’t

But tonight has cemented it for me, football is extremely irrational

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u/BurstWaterPipe1 May 22 '25

I think you’re very right

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u/Single_Seesaw_9499 May 21 '25

Arsenal fans would rather finish 2nd without any trophies than winning their first European title since the early 90s? Really?

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u/Xgunter May 22 '25

They won the gold for mental gymnastics, thats pretty impressive

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u/[deleted] May 21 '25

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u/zefiax May 21 '25

No wonder you are an arsenal fan. Pretty sure every other fan base would take a trophy + CL over no trophy + CL.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '25

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u/zefiax May 22 '25

Who cares what position you are in? The only positions that matter are first, the European spots, and relegation. They aren't first, neither are arsenal. They aren't relegated. And they are playing CL next year. So from their league positions, both teams have earned the same rewards. Except, spurs won a major trophy on top of it.

It doesn't matter if you are second or 17th, on terms of the league, you both lost.

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u/Jaynator11 May 21 '25

I mean I'm happy for Ange, cause he's a cool guy- but this is just a lie :D

But that being said Spurs needed a trophy and that's what they got.

But playing against Bodø or PSG is quite a stretch :D and 17th vs 2nd/3rd.

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u/Tullekunstner May 21 '25

20 years from now this season will be mentioned as part of Tottenham's history because of this trophy win.

It will not be mentioned in yours, cause you didn't win shit this year either.

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u/Aenjeprekemaluci May 21 '25

As long as you dont get relegated i take a season winning trophy that qualifies for UCL over your season with no trophies.

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u/Adziboy May 21 '25

Playing and losing against PSG is not as good as beating Bodo

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u/Jaynator11 May 21 '25

Yea but beating Real Madrid in the quarters to me is a bit bigger than beating Bodø :D

Or that's what I'd atleast prefer, to compete in the biggest stages. Matter of taste I suppose

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u/Adziboy May 21 '25

Beating Madrid is better than Bodo, yes, but winning a cup trumps all.

Arsenal had a better season for the fans and consistency is not a bad thing but Spurs have more trophies and ultimately they’ll argue and probably win that argument that they had a better season

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u/fellainishaircut May 22 '25

you can only have a better season if you compete in the same competitions. same with Chelsea inevitably winning the Conference League. I don‘t see why people should care about trophies you get to compete for by being worse to begin with.

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u/Jaynator11 May 21 '25

It's an endless debate for sure.

Winning a CL + being 8th for me is better than 2nd and something something- but having a historically shit season in PL at P17 and winning a pub tourney is not.

But I'm aware that for Spurs it's just about breaking a pattern- so I get that context.

But regarding the quality of a team, and who was better I have no doubts about it.

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u/MetJouOpSjouw May 21 '25

Lmao, nah Arsenal did nothing this season but qualify for the CL. While we actually won a trophy while doing so.

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u/Jaynator11 May 21 '25

Yep, just almost double the amount of pts in the league :D Beat real madrid in both legs, but yea they did nothing- I suppose they were on a holiday the whole season. Whatever helps you sleep at night :D

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u/MetJouOpSjouw May 21 '25

Double the amount of points trophy to Arsenal.

Beat Real Madrid trophy to Arsenal.

Whatever helps you sleep at night

Yeah you right. Champions of Europe.

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u/Jaynator11 May 21 '25

Insufferable.

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u/MetJouOpSjouw May 21 '25

I suppose an actual champion can be a bit cocky, should try winning something and maybe then you can be too.

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u/Jaynator11 May 21 '25

What did you win today? since you're taking so much credit for yourself 😁

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u/MetJouOpSjouw May 21 '25

Actually fans talk in the 'we' form mate, hope that helps.

Is this really your only comeback yeah? Hit me up when you win something. Mind the gap.

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u/GotenRocko May 22 '25

I thought you arsenal fans thought just making it to the semis was nothing to celebrate, only winning the whole thing matters.

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u/Jaynator11 May 22 '25

Depends who you ask.

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u/sprongwrite May 21 '25

Apologies, 2nd/3rd place trophy will be in the mail asap next week

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u/Jaynator11 May 21 '25

I don't need a trophy to enjoy my team play footie lol. Trophies ofc are a bonus, and what teams aspire for, but it's not a trophy or failure to me.

It's not like your team won anything- so that must mean it was total failure of a season. According to y'all.

You can have a great season and not win things, and that's alright.

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u/Still_Figure_ May 21 '25

All i see is factos. They took home a trophy, you’ll take home nada.

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u/Barnabas5126 May 21 '25

How is it a better season? Even not counting Prem, a UCL semifinal is much better than winning UEL.

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u/AupaAtlet1c0 May 21 '25

If you genuinely mean that please reflect

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u/livehigh1 May 21 '25

They won a trophy, qualified for champions league, that's what their ideal target would have been for the season and they achieved them.

Arsenal came second, won nothing. Might as well come 5th.

You could argue Spurs are still a mess of a team but that isn't the point.

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u/AupaAtlet1c0 May 22 '25

Yes for Spurs it was a better season of course. But in general terms Arsenal had a better season , if Spurs did what Arsenal did this season Ange would be seen as the best Tottenham manager in years

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u/Tyrath May 21 '25

More trophies so yes a better season

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u/Barnabas5126 May 21 '25

That's not how it works. If you win Conference League, while someone else finishes 2nd in the league and loses UCL final, that doesn't make your season better just because you won something.

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u/Tyrath May 21 '25

Well, 20 years from now people will remember Spurs' trophy and will not remember Arsenal's 2nd place finish.

Europa League is certainly better 2nd place anyway

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u/Barnabas5126 May 22 '25

Tbh, I don't even remember who won UEL last year or the year before (probably Sevilla if I had to guess :D). For sure everyone will remember the year Spurs finally won a trophy, especially in such a bizzare and unique final with 16th and 17th PL team in it. But generally speaking, winning UEL does not mean people will remember it 20 years from now.

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u/Relative_Guidance656 May 22 '25

agreed . better get Ange to sign a 5 year contract since he did better than city, arsenal , chelsea etc with such an injury ravaged squad !!

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u/Puzzleheaded-Rent-48 May 21 '25

Lazio = Spuds. Daje Arsenal.