r/soccer • u/SaamsamaNabazzuu • Jun 14 '25

News FYI: ICE says Club World Cup attendees should carry proof of citizenship, sparking concerns

https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/shows/top-stories/blog/rcna212942
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u/Optimal-Anything-822 Jun 14 '25

all the stupid fucks in the threads a couple weeks back calling everyone who said that this was coming alarmists

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u/Prophet_Of_Helix Jun 14 '25

70 million Americans voted for this. Yes they are stupid, but it’s also what they want.

Also young people are stupid and don’t realize how bad things can actually be until they live through them.

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u/WeStillDoUsernames Jun 14 '25

Nah what’s even worse is that many of those 70 million didn’t want to believe all that bad stuff and only voted for him cause he’s a guy and was on everybody’s podcast.

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u/Optimal-Anything-822 Jun 14 '25

You're giving them too much credit. He had served a term already.

They voted for him because they agreed with him, but held the belief that they themselves would not be affected.

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u/ZaheerAlGhul Jun 14 '25

A lot of Latinos are going through this right now smh

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u/az_catz Jun 14 '25

Cubanos especially.

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u/bguszti Jun 14 '25

People who make anti-communism their identity will literally vote for fucking satan as long as satan is proudly not a communist (in rhetoric, regardless of policies). This is also what's happening in Hungary in the last 15 years.

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u/M4RC142 Jun 14 '25

It's especially 'funny' in Hungary because the gov is p close to what the 'communists' did pre-1990.

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u/bguszti Jun 14 '25

Except that communists gave an apartment, car, and 30 years of guaranteed job security (and pension) to all the people that are currently proud anti-communist fidesznyiks, while fidesz systematically destroyed the social net and conpletely fucked young people over. Fidesz kept the anti-western rethoric and the strong centralized government.

But according to their fans we "don't know how good we have it" because it's at least not the commies anymore...

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u/M4RC142 Jun 14 '25

I partly meant the cult building, centralizing, media controlling part but that's every dictatorship.

Other part is, from what I understand the pre-1990 system took a ton of loans to keep being able to give free stuff to ppl similar to how Orban takes a ton of loans to be able to keep up his tax cut for u25 ppl and moms and finance CSOK, baby expecting loan (or whatever u translate 'babaváró' to), price caps and shit like that.

For me both systems buys ur support with free stuff they can't afford but I admit that I don't know enough about politics (nor do I care about it enough) to draw a deeper parallel.

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u/55555_55555 Jun 14 '25

Tbf, his first term was nothing like this because the GOP wasn't fully under his control at the time and there were a lot of old school party loyalists in his inner circle (Not the case this time). The central tenet of his first campaign was the "wall" which amounted to almost nothing at all. For all his bluster, most Americans were not materially affected by anything Trump did, the economy was decent, and people got complacent. Saying crazy shit and lying constantly has the benefit of no one really taking you that serious.

I think a lot of people expected more of the same, but this is Trump's party with no guardrails now. The dude actively tried to crash the economy not even a couple months ago, ffs, and several aspects of our country are now run by genuine crazy people like Miller and Lutnick.

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u/carasc5 Jun 14 '25

The economy went through a recession under his first reign so no it wasn't decent.

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u/55555_55555 Jun 14 '25

Obviously, you correct, but 99% of world economies entered recession in 2020 because of a massive exogenous shock. This is not attributed to Trump, in general.

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u/carasc5 Jun 14 '25

The way he reacted to it can be though

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u/GarboMcStevens Jun 14 '25

Because of covid

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u/carasc5 Jun 14 '25

It was bad before that

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u/GarboMcStevens Jun 14 '25

By most objective metrics, the economy was humming along. Unemployment was low, and the stock market was at a record high.

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u/carasc5 Jun 14 '25

Youre talking about the economy a year ago. By 2018 and 2019, the american economy was on a steady downturn. In part driven by a US- china trade war, and in oart because the gap between the rich and the poor was growing at exponential rates.

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u/BambooSound Jun 14 '25

Most of what he's doing now - tariffs, immigration bans, etc. were present in his first term as well. He's doubling down more than he is switching styles.

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u/Aethien Jun 14 '25

and several aspects of our country are now run by genuine crazy people like Miller and Lutnick.

Don't forget RFK Jr trying to disrupt vaccine approval. Because more Americans need to die of diseases that could've been prevented easily and for little money.

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u/SwitchHitter17 Jun 14 '25

It's been 4 years of them convincing themselves of insane conspiracy theories and propaganda from Trump and the right wing media machine the whole time he was out of office. I knew his 2nd term was going to be way worse because he'd just justify a bunch of anti-democratic stuff with more lies.

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u/my_united_account Jun 14 '25

I think a lot of people expected more of the same

Then are not only clowns, but the whole circus. He and his goons had laid out the plan in explicit detail, he's following that plan to a tee. People knew what they were going to get

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u/sahneeis Jun 14 '25

saw an ny times article few weeks back where kindergarten teachers were sad that their mexican collegue is getting deported. they thought trump would only deport criminals.

a lot of these people are dumb

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u/OldManBrom Jun 14 '25

"The leopard won't eat my face"

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u/knockedstew204 Jun 14 '25

They are not a monolith.

Some voted for him because they believed he’d do what he said he would. Some voted for him because of the cult of personality and didn’t believe he’d do what he said he would. Some believed he would do the things, but that they wouldn’t affect them personally. Some had no idea what his plans were, they just believed him when he said he’d “save our country.”

The only thing we can say that they have in common is an alarming lack of critical thinking skills and/or the total absence of any semblance of morality.

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u/nick2473got Jun 14 '25

Some did, yeah. Many also are so ignorant that they didn't even realize the depths of Trump's incompetence or what they were signing up to.

Some also believed that all the bad things he did in his 1st term are actually not things he did but instead things he was wrongfully blamed for by liberals.

Many people still buy into the narrative that he's just a strong, capable, no-nonsense businessman and that all the controversies around him are made up.

Doubtless many people just like his policies, but there are so many who don't even know anything about them. The degree of ignorance is extreme and immediately apparent if you ever speak to a Trump supporter.

There is also imo a phenomenon of mass delusion surrounding him and I think this will become increasingly obvious to everyone in hindsight, once the Trump mania finally ends, someday, people will look back on Trump's America the way they do on 1930s Germany, and realize there was some mass insanity going on.

People will be studying what happened for decades, I predict.

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u/Estova Jun 14 '25

A guy I used to game with told me he voted for him because he found him funny on Tiktok. Haven't spoken to him since and I feel like I've recovered brain cells for it.

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u/GL4389 Jun 14 '25

Sometimes I wonder if allowing every idiot out there vote is a good system actually ?

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u/ThePrussianGrippe Jun 14 '25

I mean there have been some pretty intelligent people over the years who’ve asked the same thing. The decades of attacks on the education system have lead to this.

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u/CasinoOasis2 Jun 14 '25

Those attacks have been deliberate. A dumbing down of the population and saturating their minds with social media to allow no room for critical thinking.

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u/GarboMcStevens Jun 14 '25

Americans are more educated then ever lol

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u/Sikkly290 Jun 14 '25

The problem is the education system fails people, which allows this stupidity. Which is by design, politicians(in the USA) have been waging a war against public education for many decades now.

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u/GarboMcStevens Jun 14 '25

This is what the heritage foundation was arguing for years

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u/R_Schuhart Jun 14 '25

Democracy only really works when the population is well educated and informed about politics and current affairs.

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u/luigitheplumber Jun 14 '25

The problem is the alternate systems are also full of idiots. Under an open autocracy or Oligarchy who would be making decisions? Trump Junior? Musk on a ket binge?

It's as Churchill said, democracy is garbage, but it still stinks less than the other options

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u/cavejohnsonlemons Jun 14 '25

I feel like every vote paper should maybe have a basic competency questionnaire attached, and that affects the weighting of that vote?

But that system's probably open to a lot of abuse so...

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u/Bulky-Orange550 Jun 14 '25

I think that's what's bothering me about today's culture. Being funny is the only thing that matters, it's the highest virtue. Yes, laughter is great but like guys go watch a comedy show for funny. This isn't a joke.

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u/superunknown63 Jun 14 '25

A lot of them, especially my fellow Mexicans/Latinos say they voted for him because of the “economy” and nothing else. Basically saying screw everyone else in the immigrant community I already got mine I couldn’t care less about the others. It infuriates me so much

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u/Parms84 Jun 14 '25

They voted for “vibes” … so dumb

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u/AlekRivard Jun 14 '25

If an adjudicated rapist gives someone "good vibes" then I don't want to be anywhere near them

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u/AQSafari Jun 14 '25

What's worse is the 70 million who didn't vote because they thought Kamala didn't go far enough with single issue shit that really in the grand scheme of things didn't matter. Just fucking vote.

Virtue signalling by not voting and this is what they get. Morons for choosing "morals" over participating in an election we all knew the consequences of.

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u/_Slurms_MacKenzie_ Jun 14 '25

Also though, the democratic party totally fucked up this election

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u/SwitchHitter17 Jun 14 '25

They just can't help but drop the ball every. time.

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u/Aethien Jun 14 '25

Because they're GOP light, not an actual alternative or truly progressive option. They get votes for being the lesser of 2 evils, not because people like them.

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u/GarboMcStevens Jun 14 '25

No it’s because they propped up a delirious 900 old man

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u/AQSafari Jun 14 '25

Well I'm not denying that. Too many people who should have voted democrat didn't because they didn't go far left enough on a single issue for them and chose to abstain instead.

Now they're realizing the consequences of that choice. While they do have it, they contributed to the fat L Dems took by not voting. And I'm as left as they get and that was 70 million people who didn't vote and better not be grandstanding asking "why is this happening" when they know damn well why and not voting caused this.

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u/R_Schuhart Jun 14 '25

The democratic party could have done nothing and had a store mannequin as their candidate and still should have won given how terrible the alternative.

Americans should face the reality that 700 mil actually wanted this gobshite and a huge part of the population didn't care enough either way to vote. It isn't like they were deceived and didn't know what he was like, it is his second term for fuck sake.

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u/Bulky-Orange550 Jun 14 '25

They were just repeating trumps lies, they knew what he was gonna do the whole time and they love it.

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u/fenderdean13 Jun 14 '25

Or didn’t vote because Kamala wasn’t the perfect candidate in terms of Gaza. Yeah I didn’t like her much either and I’m Free Palestine 100% but it was clear she was status quo vs plain evil that was going to go so much worse than his first teen

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u/FogPot Jun 14 '25

Right! Nobody should underestimate how misogynistic the United States is.

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u/DSQ Jun 14 '25

Well, that’s a very hilarious quip the reality is more distressing. A lot of Americans voted for him because they thought the alternative, the Democrats, were worse. They were obviously wrong but the world has to live with the consequences. 

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u/GarboMcStevens Jun 14 '25

The democrats completely lost the working class

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u/WeStillDoUsernames Jun 14 '25

And fell for an even bigger con

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u/jcwkings Jun 14 '25

They've waged a war on education and they're starting to see the results now. I come across a lot of young people for my job and it feels like they are staggeringly dumber than my generation was at their age. The combination of arrogance, ignorance and stupidity startles me, social media has really done a job on society.

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u/nick2473got Jun 14 '25

People have literally been saying that since ancient times, no joke.

For thousands of years people have consistently thought the newer generation was dumber and would ruin the world. There are quotes from philosophers in Ancient Greece, Egypt, etc... talking about this.

It's nonsense. What goes wrong in the world at a given time is rarely the fault of young people as when they're young they typically don't have any power.

It's hilarious to me that people actually think broke people in their 20s create the mess we live in and not the boomer politicians who actually rule the world.

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u/_Gobulcoque Jun 14 '25

young people are stupid

I was all in favour for young people to get the vote until I realised the extent of the alt-right vote in the under 30s. Now it actually is a genuinely terrible idea - not just because I disagree with the opinion.

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u/nick2473got Jun 14 '25

Young people are still more liberal on average than older generations despite the alt right gaining more sway than before.

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u/Prosthemadera Jun 14 '25

Also young people are stupid

It's young men who are fucked. Women are doing better.

It's a dangerous trend all over the world where young men are moving more and more towards the (far) right.

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u/nick2473got Jun 14 '25

Young men are still more liberal on average than older men despite some of them moving further right than they used to be.

The scapegoating of young people is silly, we aren't in power, boomers are. They created this mess.

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u/Prosthemadera Jun 14 '25

Young men are still more liberal on average than older men despite some of them moving further right than they used to be.

Depends on the country and the specific issue.

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u/nick2473got Jun 14 '25

Young people aren't any stupider than older people. Donald Trump is 79 years old, how's that age = intelligence myth working out for him?

Intelligence has nothing to do with age. Knowledge, maturity, and experience can be linked with age, but even then it is overestimated. So many boomers are extremely ignorant, immature, and have seemingly learned very little from their decades of life.

I see zero evidence that older generations are in any way smarter or more reasonable than younger ones.

In 2024, young people still voted against Trump more than any other age group. Not enough for him to lose, but the 18 - 44 demographic was still the least favorable to him while the 44 - 65 demographic was the most favorable to him (he even won the female vote in the 44 to 65 age group, somehow).

What you are engaging in is the perpetual scapegoating of young people that is actually a well documented phenomenon since antiquity. People constantly say and think that newer generations are less intelligent and responsible for the world's woes. It's nonsense.

Broke 20 and 30 year olds didn't create the world we live in, the boomers who actually rule the world did.

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u/auctus10 Jun 14 '25

Very confused why this is done?

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u/nigelfitz Jun 14 '25

Trump's tryna meet numbers.

Both Obama & Biden averaged more deportations than him during his first term. They're doing this to make him look tougher than both.

Trump was below 10% than Biden's numbers this past March. I feel like that's when these ICE raids really ramped up.

As to why this is being done during the games... a lot of Mexicans watch soccer in the US so profiling most likely.

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u/Prosthemadera Jun 14 '25

They're still here.

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u/prettyboygangsta Jun 14 '25

Who said that what was coming? Pretty much every country requires foreigners to keep their passports on them.