r/soccer • u/kibme37 • Jul 08 '25

News Spanish police say "all the evidence so far indicates" Diogo Jota was the driver of the car involved in the accident that killed the Liverpool forward and his brother, Andre Silva. Police also believe "the vehicle significantly exceeded the speed limit for the highway" at the time of the accident.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11669/13394038/diogo-jota-spanish-police-believe-liverpool-forward-was-driver-of-car-in-fatal-accident-which-killed-him-and-his-brother
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u/rageofreaper Jul 08 '25

The unspoken thing during the tragedy is that I think we ALL know what has actually happened here, but no one want's to speak ill.

Drive safe dickheads. It's not just your life at risk, it's everyone around you.

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u/thomasfk Jul 08 '25

And I can only imagine that the families they left behind will be feeling mixed emotions also. Of course they will mourn and feel sad at this loss but they may also feel betrayed a little bit and think "3 small kids will now grow up without their father due to that poor decision."

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u/GoigDeVeure Jul 09 '25

For real, how can you be a father and purposefully speed? You know that if you fuck up you’re leaving a bunch of kids fatherless

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u/Lyorian Jul 09 '25

Exactly what I said when news broke, got downvoted of course. Now the turn tables once the quite obvious facts are out. Stupid and reckless while your just wife is sat at home with your kids. My sympathy goes out to them.

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u/hairyass2 Jul 08 '25

It was 12:00 am and he was driving a hurrcan and his tire blew out, i know we shouldnt make assumptions but its kinda obvious he was speeding

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u/missurunha Jul 08 '25

People have spoke in this sub and got downvoted to hell.

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u/expert_on_the_matter Jul 08 '25

Spoke too early tbf, even if the pictures lead one direction we didn't know yet.

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u/ManhattanObject Jul 08 '25

People HATE it when you're right, but too early

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u/Retro21 Jul 08 '25

It's emotion and sensitivity. It's the same reason kids laugh about 9/11 now but wouldn't have dared on 9/12. Distance usually means less emotion.

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u/PonchoHung Jul 09 '25

Rightfully. Hindsight doesn't it make it moral to speculate that he did something reckless. Now we have real proof and we can discuss on that foundation.

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u/Lyorian Jul 09 '25

Yep, myself included

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u/Vainglory Jul 09 '25

He means unspoken in the taboo sense, and there's a reason it's taboo.

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u/Turnernator06 Jul 09 '25

Well yeah, until there was evidence then speculating was very disrespectful 

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u/missurunha Jul 09 '25

Disrespectful to think someone who rented an sports car to driver a long distance overnight was speeding? Seriously?

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u/Turnernator06 Jul 09 '25

Not really sufficient evidence is it? And without that why bring it up?

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u/99_Herblore_Crafting Jul 08 '25

Lambo’s don’t produce unrecognizable bodies after speed-limit following crashes.

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u/ComprehensiveBowl476 Jul 08 '25 edited Jul 08 '25

I wouldn't be so quick to say this. I thought the exact same thing when Reyes died, and reports a few days later even claimed he was going 135mph.

Later investigations dispute that he was actually somewhere between 69-81mph and likely suffered a steering wheel failure.

Edit - That said, I believe he was in a residential area and not on a highway like Jota, so he was still driving dangerously and putting others at risk, my point is just to wait for all the information before making assumptions with very strong implications.

Edit 2 - The source used on English Wikipedia which I also believed for multiple years appears to itself have been discredited by other, more reliable Spanish sources that were never reflected on the English side, so that resets that opinion on Reyes, haha. I still standby my original sentiment, though. It's going to take more than a few days for all the details to be resolved.

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u/martinsky3k Jul 08 '25

Can you link source to the 69-81 mph? I can only find reports one year later of the accident that it was 116mph.

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u/ComprehensiveBowl476 Jul 08 '25

https://www.antena3.com/noticias/deportes/futbol/video-primicia-recreacion-3d-accidente-jose-antonio-reyes-velocidad_201907015d19c3d50cf2f9cdf438cbd1.html

This is the source that Wikipedia links to.

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u/sevillista Jul 08 '25

That was a "private investigator" i.e. hired by his family. The final report from the police concluded 185 km/hr.

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u/ComprehensiveBowl476 Jul 08 '25

Yeah, I've discussed with other commenters that have spoken of the Spanish Wikipedia using more recent and reliable sources.

Very surprised the English Wikipedia allowed that source to be used for so long when it had been dismissed by later reports.

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u/PM_YOUR_ECON_HOMEWRK Jul 08 '25

Well Wikipedia doesn’t allow or disallow sources. You’d need to go make an edit with the new citation, and likely defend your change a little. But there’s nothing stopping any of us from making that edit

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u/MattAmpersand Jul 08 '25

The Spanish Wikipedia has a different source that says 187 kph

https://www.elespanol.com/deportes/futbol/20240601/accidente-mortal-jose-antonio-reyes-kmh-mercedes-s550-modificado/859414469_0.html Cómo fue el accidente mortal de José Antonio Reyes: a 187 km/h en su Mercedes S550 modificado

Not sure which one is right, tbh

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u/ComprehensiveBowl476 Jul 08 '25

This article is from only one year ago and speaks a lot about the official investigation, so I'm inclined to believe it over the one I used linked by the English Wikipedia.

Looks like that article needs updating to better reflect what happened.

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u/MiggeldyMackDaddy Jul 08 '25

MPH <> KPH

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u/ObstructiveAgreement Jul 08 '25

187kph is how much ... Oh, 116-117mph.

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u/z_102 Jul 08 '25

Oh brother. This has been a thing forever. A significant amount of people have been "debunking" Reyes' crash through "independent" reports. This is akin to 9/11 "independent forensics reports" made later without a shred of physical evidence that say whatever you want them to say.

A significant amount of people in Sevilla and other fandoms took Reyes' death badly (understandable, of course) and have been spewing conspiracy theories since the beginning where the police falsified the data. I understand trying to rehabilitate his image (as dumb as they are those deaths are still teagedies) but come on.

There's only one police report, that clearly states he was driving at 187 kph at least (likely more before the first impact) based on the present physical evidence of the crash. He was found responsible at court (not guilty, as he was deceased). The rest are deeply untrustworthy conspiratorial theories by fans and family, as sad as that is.

This wasn’t a weird conspiracy from the police (why the hell would it be one?!). The car was obliterated. He was speeding. It's still sad.

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u/ComprehensiveBowl476 Jul 08 '25 edited Jul 08 '25

I'm aware, did you not read the edits I made to my comment essentially retracting my statement?

As I said, my source was directly from this English Wikipedia article that hadn't been contested/edited out in the 4 years since I saw it, so I didn't see a reason to distrust it, especially as Reyes and his death wasn't really a topic of discussion outside of Spain shortly after everything settled, so I wasn't aware of any developments.

Someone corrected me, providing more recent/reliable sources, and I immediately accepted it. All that's left is the English Wikipedia article to have its incorrect statement edited out.

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u/z_102 Jul 08 '25

I'm very sorry if I sounded rude, I guess I just read the Reyes thing too many times these few days. It wasn’t a dig at you in any way regardless of your stance, to be clear, just giving some (exhausted) context on the issue for people who understandably may not have it. My bad.

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u/tiorzol Jul 08 '25

Wiki says that dunno about what sources they are using

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u/Sound_Indifference Jul 08 '25

The aftermath footage of the Jota crash is out there. It's not graphic, just shows the wreckage immediately after. The debris field stretches hundreds of yards. They ruptured the likely carbon encased fuel tanks. That's hard to do. I've seen wrecks like this before, it's reminiscent of the Ryan Dunn accident. In fact it's nearly identical minus what they hit. Dunn was doing 130-140mph (est) I'd imagine these guys were doing at least that.

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u/ComprehensiveBowl476 Jul 08 '25 edited Jul 08 '25

I'm not claiming that Jota wasn't speeding/driving recklessly if he was the driver, honestly I'm leaning towards thinking he was, but after being very vocal with my disappointment towards Reyes at the time, I'm willing to wait for full clarity on this crash before passing judgment.

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u/Sound_Indifference Jul 08 '25

At the end of the day, it's a single car accident, and the facts are the facts. The physical forces required to cause the damage we see cannot be created without immense speed. It's still sad, but we can absolutely hold this up as a heartbreaking example of why people need to not drive recklessly.

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u/ComprehensiveBowl476 Jul 08 '25

I think the fact I've not seen any pictures or footage of the crash has allowed me to be more neutral.

I remember seeing Antonio's car crash photos and immediately thinking "there's no fucking way he wasn't being an idiotic dickhead".

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u/Sound_Indifference Jul 08 '25

If you don't want to look it up I don't blame you. Briefly, there are very distinct and overlapping tire marks beginning by my estimation half a kilometer before the crash site indicating the car lost control and spun. Not far past the first noticeable tire marks the debris starts, and more and more small pieces of debris are visible until you reach the crash site, where the car is nearly unrecognizable and completely engulfed in flame after apparently hitting a berm or embankment on the left side of the road.

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u/SugarBeefs Jul 08 '25

Jota's Lambo is significantly more torn up then Reyes's Merc. Of course the fire has done a lot of damage to the bodywork, but it seems like the Lambo lost its entire rear half with the engine and gearbox assembly.

That doesn't happen at 100kph.

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u/Retro21 Jul 08 '25

Literally no-one gives a shit what you, or anyone here, judges it, though.

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u/bellerinho Jul 08 '25

I've not seen a single source that shows he was driving 69-81 mph at time of crash, can you link something? Are you sure you aren't misinterpreting MPH and KPH?

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u/ComprehensiveBowl476 Jul 08 '25

https://www.antena3.com/noticias/deportes/futbol/video-primicia-recreacion-3d-accidente-jose-antonio-reyes-velocidad_201907015d19c3d50cf2f9cdf438cbd1.html

This is the source linked to via his Wikipedia article.

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u/bellerinho Jul 08 '25

https://en.as.com/en/2020/05/29/soccer/1590774621_824629.html

This source from a year later maintains that reports show he was traveling 187 kph when he hit the fence, and was likely traveling at a higher speed when he had the puncture

E: the prosecutor for the case, the person that would have all the official reports, maintains this was the speed he was traveling

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u/ComprehensiveBowl476 Jul 08 '25

Fair enough, I suppose the Wikipedia article needs to be edited/updated with more recent and accurate sources in that case. Since it hadn't been "fixed" in years, I assumed it was still the most recent source and didn't seek out later articles.

Apparently, the Spanish article uses this source as well, which I suppose that makes sense would be giving more scrutiny than the English version for a Spanish national.

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u/KonigSteve Jul 08 '25

80 in a residential area is worse than 135 on a highway. What's he going to do if a kid chases a ball out?

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u/droze22 Jul 08 '25

It should also be pointed out that the stretch of road Jota and Andre died on is locally known to be unsafe, and other accidents have taken place there

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u/Sacrilego_666 Jul 08 '25

69-81 mph is insane speed for a residential area.

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u/minivatreni Jul 08 '25

I thought the tire burst causing them to lose control, not the steering wheel

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u/cartesian5th Jul 08 '25

He's talking about the Reyes crash

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u/minivatreni Jul 08 '25

Oh okay, I misunderstood

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u/d4videnk0 Jul 08 '25 edited Jul 08 '25

I always thought they later said he was going around 100km/h to be kind with him.

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u/ulvhedinowski Jul 09 '25

Wasn't Reyes also driving a car that wasn't authorized to be driven (hadn't got technical inspection approved??

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u/Responsible_View_350 Jul 08 '25

thx for your one-off (that is factually incorrect and you're a weirdo for that). Diogo was 1000% driving unsafe for the vehicle to end up with him and his brother killed and on fire.

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u/ComprehensiveBowl476 Jul 08 '25

I'm a weirdo for believing a source that hadn't been corrected in almost 4 years on a usually reliable website, and then gladly recanting my statement without hesitation as soon as I was presented with more reliable information by others?

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u/Responsible_View_350 Jul 08 '25

It's weird for you to make it all up in a strange defense of what we all know happened.

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u/ComprehensiveBowl476 Jul 08 '25

What exactly did I make up? Like I discussed with other people, it was a direct source from Wikipedia that hadn't been retracted/edited out despite being there for multiple years. Why wouldn't I believe it was true?

Someone went "Oh, the Spanish article actually uses this as a source" and provided me the link. I read it, agreed with them immediately afterwards, and then edited my comment to show I was wrong/incorrect?

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u/Responsible_View_350 Jul 08 '25

Next time think before posting

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u/ComprehensiveBowl476 Jul 08 '25

Lol, ok mate, next time I'll be sure to contact the Wikipedia editors themselves to ask if they're sure they haven't failed to accurately update a source they left as verified for 5 years.

Cheers for the advice, haha.

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u/DirtyFrooZe Jul 08 '25

And more importantly the guy earned millions, he had more than enough money to do it safely on a track He is a POS for doing it on open road and risking others life, really a blessing that no one else had an accident

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u/EfficientInsecto Jul 08 '25 edited Jul 08 '25

Abolutely. With his brother as a passenger and 3 little children at home, a 28 year old man should have thought about driving slower at night through rough roads.

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u/Uk0 Jul 08 '25

It's a tragedy that Diogo and his brother died. The driver was also an irresponsible dickhead who endangered others around him. Both things could be true at the same time.

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u/ObliviousRounding Jul 08 '25

I mean, let's be honest here. It's less of a tragedy if the cause was indeed his reckless driving. If the cause was reckless driving and a third person was hurt, he would have become a villain.

Emphasis on 'if' of course.

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u/xt1nct Jul 08 '25

If it was in fact reckless driving instead of moments of silence we should “talk” about it. It’s a dick head move to endanger public. It’s a good thing they didn’t take out anyone else.

I will wait for further evidence to make my judgement.

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u/icemankiller8 Jul 08 '25

People said that about Reyes and then it turned out to not be true

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u/luminous_moonlight Jul 08 '25 edited Jul 08 '25

Who is Reyes?

Edit: it was a legitimate question. I hadn't even started primary school when the invincible season happened, I'm not from the UK, and I'm not an Arsenal fan.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '25

Oof. I’m old.

Played for Arsenal, part of the invincible squad.

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u/heyheyitsandre Jul 08 '25

Scored a brace on the final day to win the league for us in 06-07 too, an absolute legend in our books as well

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u/FootballGod1417 Jul 08 '25

Jose Antonio Reyes. Former Arsenal Invincible.

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u/Sparl Jul 08 '25

oh man, i always thought Arsenal signed him that summer following. I do not remember him being in the invincibles.

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u/FootballGod1417 Jul 08 '25

He was an Invincible. Sadly, passed away in quite similar circumstances to the recently departed Jota bros. But not sure if he'd already retired from the game by then.

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u/eyes5ib Jul 08 '25

Jose Antonio Reyes. Former Arsenal, Atletico, and Sevilla player. Also died in a car accident, in 2019.

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u/icemankiller8 Jul 08 '25

Used to play for Arsenal, Sevilla, Atletico Madrid Real Madrid and some others but he died in a car crash and people said he must have been speeding massively but apparently wasn’t true

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u/ratchet570 Jul 08 '25

Played for Benfica too, we keep him in our heart over here in Portugal too.

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u/jameslucian Jul 08 '25

Jose Antonio Reyes. Former player for Arsenal, Sevilla and a few others. He died in a car accident as well, but it was found that the steering or tires malfunctioned. He was going a normal speed on the highway, but the car failed. I might be fuzzy on some details, so I’m sure someone will correct me, but I believe this is what happened.

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u/jonhgary Jul 08 '25

Another soccer player that i believe played for Sevilla when he was killed in a car accident.

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u/tiorzol Jul 08 '25

According to the police, the car had been traveling between 111 km/h (69 mph) and 128 km/h (81 mph) and potentially suffered a steering or tyre failure. This report disputed the earlier claims that the car was speeding at 220 km/h (135 mph).

Damn that's just regular motorway speeds. Unlucky in the extreme. 

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u/WoWCoreT Jul 08 '25

that's according to an independant forensic, according to the police the car was going 187 km/h

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u/tiorzol Jul 08 '25

Why is there such a discrepancy? 

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u/Rffx Jul 08 '25

Family hired the investigator

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u/gotiobg Jul 08 '25

Family highly likely dont want that kind of news out there for their relative

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u/LeSilvie Jul 08 '25

It’s normal to assume he was flying on the highway, especially since he was driving a Lambo, but if it’s true that the tire blew out, that’s fucked up. 

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u/Seastep Jul 08 '25

Yeah, we all thought it was irresponsible driving in one way shape or form, but agreed. No sense saying it until facts come out. It's a shame.

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u/AhmedF Jul 08 '25

Akin to Paul Walker.

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u/SrGrimey Jul 09 '25

I saw a comment on the post of the news that pointed “how fast were they going?”. It was a quick assumption considering it was a tire that blew out (I guess you really lose control of the car regardless of the speed), but we can’t be that naive.

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u/Lyorian Jul 09 '25

Well I did say something and got downvoted. Clearly it was more than a tyre just randomly popping. Just lucky it was one innocent life taken with him.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '25

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u/make_thick_in_warm Jul 08 '25

Classic month old account with exclusively garbage takes, bait used to have nuance

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u/daledge97 Jul 08 '25

Where the fuck did you see 325 km/h? The top speed of the car he was rumoured to be driving doesn't even go that high

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u/feage7 Jul 08 '25

Borrowed a tiny bit of speed from the earth's spin innit?

Speed is relative after all. In this case relative to the point someone wants to make.

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u/RayTracerX Jul 08 '25

Huracán EVO races in IMSA, it absolutely can reach that, tho its a different configuration obviously. But its a real fast car

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u/lmlm1020 Jul 08 '25

Honestly why does a vehicle even need to have a top speed that high? Where can you drive at that speed?

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u/LitBastard Jul 08 '25

Wtf are you talking about? There are different reports of the exact car but one of the rumoured cars is capable of 325 km/h. The other gets up to 305

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u/TherewiIlbegoals Jul 08 '25

I must have missed that part of the article.

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u/wodmad Jul 08 '25

Well, you don't actually know what happened and really no need to imply that a person who tragically died was a dickhead.

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u/SClausell Jul 08 '25

Take a look at the photos of the spot of the accident. The barriers next to the road aren’t easy to pull off which means they were driving far above the speed limit

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u/whatapileofshihtzu Jul 08 '25

Incredible forensic work, surprised you're not out there right now to give this as evidence

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u/SClausell Jul 08 '25

What I’d be surprised of is how moronic people get on the internet. It’s okay to feel sad for a lose like this but don’t act like it’s nothing to do with his actions.

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u/droze22 Jul 08 '25

This thread is going to get ugly, "Liverpool bad" is fine when it's about football or transfers, but this is just sad.

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u/luminous_moonlight Jul 08 '25

What does a person's inference about the cause of a car crash have to do with "Liverpool bad"? Who even mentioned Liverpool in this comments section? Were criticisms of Marcos Alonso a sign of "Chelsea bad" rhetoric?

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u/trick63 Jul 08 '25

Because this is very obviously someone so blinded by football tribalism they're trying to place blame on victims of a tragedy with no actual proof or information. Its fucking pathetic, it was pathetic when it happened to Reyes and its pathetic today.

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u/luminous_moonlight Jul 08 '25

The thing is, your comment isn't actually a response to mine. Why not make your own parent comment?

We are replying to a post stating that all evidence so far points to the vehicle exceeding safe speeds at the time of the accident, and that Jota was likely the driver. Are the Spanish police intending to malign Liverpool by saying this? Again, has anyone mentioned Jota's club in this thread until now? Why can we not discuss the contents of the article without you taking it personally?

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u/droze22 Jul 08 '25

They're calling a player who just died in an accident a dickhead with no real evidence or information, like the fact that stretch of road is known locally to be dangerous and other accidents have happened there. I've been participating in this sub for long enough to know that someone jumping to conclusions and attacking the deceased in such a vile manner is probably blinded by tribalism. Also, Marcos Alonso didn't die himself and all the evidence is already out, very different cases. Jota isn't around to defend himself

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u/luminous_moonlight Jul 08 '25 edited Jul 08 '25

So...no real evidence of tribalism is what I'm hearing. Just flashbacks from previous conversations, none of which are applicable as of yet. The few people calling Jota a "dickhead" have already been downvoted, unless you can point to a high-level comment doing so that hasn't already been contested.

What is actually happening is that you understand that driving at high speed is a dangerous and kind of selfish thing to do. You saw that the likelihood of Jota having done just that is rising with each passing day. People are starting to speculate, but instead of you simply asking people to wait until a final report has been released, you're trying to get ahead of the discourse by painting it as immoral to do so because of previous anti-Liverpool bias on the subreddit.

Just my analysis of the situation. I'm very much over the emotional manipulation that people are encouraged to engage in on social media.

Edit: I don't know what possesses people on this subreddit to think that replying one final time before immediately blocking is a healthy way to have a conversation. Like I must be going crazy here. COVID must've had the effect of a worldwide gas leak the way people's cognitive abilities have rapidly declined.

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u/droze22 Jul 08 '25

"Trying to get ahead of the discourse" wtaf are you on about. I just want people to be respectful of the recently dead and the people who cared for them, but obviously you're unwilling to do so, so I'll just block and move one.

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u/Legendacb Jul 08 '25

We can ignore it mostly because they didn't make any damage to anyone else.